17:29:41 RRSAgent has joined #ua 17:29:41 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-irc 17:29:52 zakim, this will be wai_ua 17:29:52 ok, jallan; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 31 minutes 17:58:58 Meeting: UAWG Conference Call 10 Aug 2006 17:59:06 Chair: Jim Allan 17:59:34 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started 17:59:41 +Jim_Allan 18:01:09 JR has joined #ua 18:02:58 +??P1 18:02:59 +[IBM] 18:03:42 zakim, IBM is CKLaws 18:03:42 +CKLaws; got it 18:03:55 cklaws has joined #ua 18:04:09 zakim, ??P1 is JR 18:04:09 +JR; got it 18:04:34 Scribe: JR 18:04:41 +DPoehlman 18:05:01 +[IBM] 18:05:23 zakim, IBM is PPerente 18:05:23 +PPerente; got it 18:06:04 JA: XHTML 2.0 new draft released... 18:06:12 XHTML 2 draft http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xhtml2-20060726/ 18:06:22 JA: Lots of references to what user agents should and shouldn't do 18:06:29 parente has joined #ua 18:06:42 JA: SUggest other gtoup members should review it 18:08:42 CL: Asked about a F2F 18:09:00 JA: Maybe in Boston in January as part of some W3C thing 18:09:15 Topic: Guideline 5. Ensure user control of user interface behavior 18:09:40 JA: Just a point...there are no P1's for this guideline 18:10:22 Action: JA include no P1 comments in Guideline 5 on issues chart 18:10:37 Topic: 5.1 No automatic content focus change (P2) 18:11:36 JA: Under ex. techs. #4 (In JavaScript, the focus may be changed with myWindow.focus();) is a bit mysterious 18:12:19 UAAG techniques Guideline 5 http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10-TECHS/uaag10-tech.html#gl-user-control-ui 18:14:39 techniques are not about configuration. 18:15:02 PP: What about when focus moves in same viewport 18:15:06 JA: 5.4 18:15:28 JR: Some techs refer to situations diff that checkpoint calls for 18:16:54 CL: These aren't what people do...e.g. when new window opens it gets focus rather than not getting focus and showing an alert. 18:17:18 JA: Example tech would be extension to broser to do pop-up blocking 18:17:29 CL: THinks #1 is fine 18:17:43 CL: But default should be to move focus 18:18:27 CL: ex. popup to enter ID and password 18:21:09 CL: Need to clarify what is a duplicate view (#3) 18:21:18 tech #3, duplicate browser instances (2 browsers), or HPR 2 views (graphic and text), as in a spreadsheet split view 18:24:30 JA: Mentions "Open in New Broswer" feature. 18:26:01 JR: IE already does the duplicate stuff as asked 18:26:48 JR: Maybe make distinction between duplicate and split 18:28:54 JA & JR: Read duplicate stuff as relevant because even though content focus has changed it is to the same point in a twinned doc 18:29:26 JA: #4 is a note 18:29:41 JA: #5 is HTML4 specific 18:31:48 JA: Also what about frames....eg. in nav frame select link...if new content is brought up, focus should move to new stuff 18:32:39 JA: So this is "explicit user request" 18:33:17 Viewport includes windows, frames, pieces of paper 18:35:27 JA: We should put note about frames in ex 1. 18:36:01 Action: JA: write note about frames for technique 1 in 5.1 18:36:29 Topic: 5.2 Keep viewport on top (P2) 18:37:00 JR: is this something that is controled by the OS 18:39:14 JR: What if other viewport is in another app 18:39:33 various applications have the feature "stay on top", what happens when several application use "stay on top", this seems to be an OS negotialtion issue 18:39:39 JA: We are only talking about user agent app viewports 18:40:16 Action JR: Write note for 5.2 clarifying that this covers only the user agent app. 18:40:37 Topic: 5.3 Manual viewport open only (P2) 18:44:28 JR: How does this handle isblank? 18:45:38 CL: HPR assumes that clicking on a link is an explit request 18:46:17 JR: So maybe a note needed to say its ok to open new viewport for the URL of the link...but not any other on_load viewports 18:47:42 Action JR: Write note for 5.3 clarifying that new viewport is ok on selecting link if the URL is the same 18:47:58 Action: JA: modifier key technique 18:48:20 Topic: 5.4 Selection and focus in viewport (P2) 18:49:17 JA: In page links...page should shift but focus must as well. 18:51:01 JA: Would like to see this scenario addressed. 18:52:17 CL: Prob is that browser can't move focus to things that can't take focus 18:54:01 -DPoehlman 18:54:30 JA: In IE there are some ways to get around...eg into table cell 18:57:29 JA: SHould we explicity note that we expect focus to follow internal navigation - "point of regard" 18:58:19 Action: JA: 5.4 point of regard (in page focus) 18:59:33 Topic: 5.5 Confirm form submission (P2) 18:59:38 -CKLaws 19:01:32 +DPoehlman 19:03:02 JR: Everything is forms in Webv apps. 19:03:28 JA: Thinks we should add not about "ENTER" being a problem 19:05:37 JA: Maybe also clarify that it is when pressing ENTER from somewhere that is not a button - e.g. a textbox 19:05:47 5.5 give example of form configuration 'enter on submit' is ok, 19:06:20 Action: JA: example configuration for enter - form submission 19:06:32 -DPoehlman 19:07:02 -PPerente 19:07:05 -JR 19:07:06 -Jim_Allan 19:07:07 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended 19:07:09 Attendees were Jim_Allan, CKLaws, JR, DPoehlman, PPerente 19:07:19 RRSAgent, make minutes 19:07:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-minutes.html JR 19:08:21 RRSAgent, set logs public 19:08:27 Zakim, bye 19:08:27 Zakim has left #ua 19:08:34 RRSAgent, bye 19:08:34 I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-actions.rdf : 19:08:34 ACTION: JA include no P1 comments in Guideline 5 on issues chart [1] 19:08:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-irc#T18-10-22 19:08:34 ACTION: JA: write note about frames for technique 1 in 5.1 [2] 19:08:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-irc#T18-36-01 19:08:34 ACTION: JR to Write note for 5.2 clarifying that this covers only the user agent app. [3] 19:08:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-irc#T18-40-16 19:08:34 ACTION: JR to Write note for 5.3 clarifying that new viewport is ok on selecting link if the URL is the same [4] 19:08:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-irc#T18-47-42 19:08:34 ACTION: JA: modifier key technique [5] 19:08:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-irc#T18-47-58 19:08:34 ACTION: JA: 5.4 point of regard (in page focus) [6] 19:08:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-irc#T18-58-19 19:08:34 ACTION: JA: example configuration for enter - form submission [7] 19:08:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-irc#T19-06-20