IRC log of ua on 2006-08-10

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17:29:52 [jallan]
zakim, this will be wai_ua
17:29:52 [Zakim]
ok, jallan; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 31 minutes
17:58:58 [jallan]
Meeting: UAWG Conference Call 10 Aug 2006
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Chair: Jim Allan
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WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started
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+Jim_Allan
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+??P1
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+[IBM]
18:03:42 [jallan]
zakim, IBM is CKLaws
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+CKLaws; got it
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zakim, ??P1 is JR
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+JR; got it
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Scribe: JR
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+DPoehlman
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+[IBM]
18:05:23 [jallan]
zakim, IBM is PPerente
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+PPerente; got it
18:06:04 [JR]
JA: XHTML 2.0 new draft released...
18:06:12 [jallan]
XHTML 2 draft http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xhtml2-20060726/
18:06:22 [JR]
JA: Lots of references to what user agents should and shouldn't do
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JA: SUggest other gtoup members should review it
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CL: Asked about a F2F
18:09:00 [JR]
JA: Maybe in Boston in January as part of some W3C thing
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Topic: Guideline 5. Ensure user control of user interface behavior
18:09:40 [JR]
JA: Just a point...there are no P1's for this guideline
18:10:22 [jallan]
Action: JA include no P1 comments in Guideline 5 on issues chart
18:10:37 [JR]
Topic: 5.1 No automatic content focus change (P2)
18:11:36 [JR]
JA: Under ex. techs. #4 (In JavaScript, the focus may be changed with myWindow.focus();) is a bit mysterious
18:12:19 [jallan]
UAAG techniques Guideline 5 http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10-TECHS/uaag10-tech.html#gl-user-control-ui
18:14:39 [jallan]
techniques are not about configuration.
18:15:02 [JR]
PP: What about when focus moves in same viewport
18:15:06 [JR]
JA: 5.4
18:15:28 [JR]
JR: Some techs refer to situations diff that checkpoint calls for
18:16:54 [JR]
CL: These aren't what people do...e.g. when new window opens it gets focus rather than not getting focus and showing an alert.
18:17:18 [JR]
JA: Example tech would be extension to broser to do pop-up blocking
18:17:29 [JR]
CL: THinks #1 is fine
18:17:43 [JR]
CL: But default should be to move focus
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CL: ex. popup to enter ID and password
18:21:09 [JR]
CL: Need to clarify what is a duplicate view (#3)
18:21:18 [jallan]
tech #3, duplicate browser instances (2 browsers), or HPR 2 views (graphic and text), as in a spreadsheet split view
18:24:30 [JR]
JA: Mentions "Open in New Broswer" feature.
18:26:01 [JR]
JR: IE already does the duplicate stuff as asked
18:26:48 [JR]
JR: Maybe make distinction between duplicate and split
18:28:54 [JR]
JA & JR: Read duplicate stuff as relevant because even though content focus has changed it is to the same point in a twinned doc
18:29:26 [JR]
JA: #4 is a note
18:29:41 [JR]
JA: #5 is HTML4 specific
18:31:48 [JR]
JA: Also what about frames....eg. in nav frame select link...if new content is brought up, focus should move to new stuff
18:32:39 [JR]
JA: So this is "explicit user request"
18:33:17 [JR]
Viewport includes windows, frames, pieces of paper
18:35:27 [JR]
JA: We should put note about frames in ex 1.
18:36:01 [jallan]
Action: JA: write note about frames for technique 1 in 5.1
18:36:29 [JR]
Topic: 5.2 Keep viewport on top (P2)
18:37:00 [jallan]
JR: is this something that is controled by the OS
18:39:14 [JR]
JR: What if other viewport is in another app
18:39:33 [jallan]
various applications have the feature "stay on top", what happens when several application use "stay on top", this seems to be an OS negotialtion issue
18:39:39 [JR]
JA: We are only talking about user agent app viewports
18:40:16 [JR]
Action JR: Write note for 5.2 clarifying that this covers only the user agent app.
18:40:37 [JR]
Topic: 5.3 Manual viewport open only (P2)
18:44:28 [JR]
JR: How does this handle isblank?
18:45:38 [JR]
CL: HPR assumes that clicking on a link is an explit request
18:46:17 [JR]
JR: So maybe a note needed to say its ok to open new viewport for the URL of the link...but not any other on_load viewports
18:47:42 [JR]
Action JR: Write note for 5.3 clarifying that new viewport is ok on selecting link if the URL is the same
18:47:58 [jallan]
Action: JA: modifier key technique
18:48:20 [JR]
Topic: 5.4 Selection and focus in viewport (P2)
18:49:17 [JR]
JA: In page links...page should shift but focus must as well.
18:51:01 [JR]
JA: Would like to see this scenario addressed.
18:52:17 [JR]
CL: Prob is that browser can't move focus to things that can't take focus
18:54:01 [Zakim]
-DPoehlman
18:54:30 [JR]
JA: In IE there are some ways to get around...eg into table cell
18:57:29 [JR]
JA: SHould we explicity note that we expect focus to follow internal navigation - "point of regard"
18:58:19 [jallan]
Action: JA: 5.4 point of regard (in page focus)
18:59:33 [JR]
Topic: 5.5 Confirm form submission (P2)
18:59:38 [Zakim]
-CKLaws
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+DPoehlman
19:03:02 [JR]
JR: Everything is forms in Webv apps.
19:03:28 [JR]
JA: Thinks we should add not about "ENTER" being a problem
19:05:37 [JR]
JA: Maybe also clarify that it is when pressing ENTER from somewhere that is not a button - e.g. a textbox
19:05:47 [jallan]
5.5 give example of form configuration 'enter on submit' is ok,
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Action: JA: example configuration for enter - form submission
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-DPoehlman
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-PPerente
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-JR
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-Jim_Allan
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WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Jim_Allan, CKLaws, JR, DPoehlman, PPerente
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-minutes.html JR
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RRSAgent, set logs public
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Zakim, bye
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: JA include no P1 comments in Guideline 5 on issues chart [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-irc#T18-10-22
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ACTION: JA: write note about frames for technique 1 in 5.1 [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-irc#T18-36-01
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ACTION: JR to Write note for 5.2 clarifying that this covers only the user agent app. [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-irc#T18-40-16
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ACTION: JR to Write note for 5.3 clarifying that new viewport is ok on selecting link if the URL is the same [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-irc#T18-47-42
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ACTION: JA: modifier key technique [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-irc#T18-47-58
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ACTION: JA: 5.4 point of regard (in page focus) [6]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-irc#T18-58-19
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ACTION: JA: example configuration for enter - form submission [7]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-irc#T19-06-20