IRC log of wai-wcag on 2006-08-03
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- Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JulSep/0077.html
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- Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden and Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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- agenda+ Team C Survey <http://tinyurl.com/onjlm/>
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- agenda+ Team B Survey <http://tinyurl.com/heoly>
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- agenda+ Team A Survey <http://tinyurl.com/legl5>
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- zakim, list conferences
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- I see W3C_(Chevron)2:30PM, WAI_WCAG()3:00PM active
- 20:00:19 [Zakim]
- also scheduled at this time are RWC_WAF(F2F)9:00AM, VB_VBWG(SIV)4:00PM, XML_QueryWG(ttf)3:00PM, WAI_UAWG()2:00PM
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- 20:00:44 [ben]
- zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
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- ok, ben; that matches WAI_WCAG()3:00PM
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- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:00:49 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see +1.706.324.aaaa, ??P3, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bruce_Bailey
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- +David_MacDonald
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- zakim, 1.706.324.aaa is Andi_Snow-Weaver
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- sorry, ben, I do not recognize a party named '1.706.324.aaa'
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- +Sofia_Celic
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- zakim, 1.706.324.aaaa
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- I don't understand '1.706.324.aaaa', ben
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- zakim, 1.706.324.aaaa is Andi-Snow-Weaver
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- sorry, ben, I do not recognize a party named '1.706.324.aaaa'
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki
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- +Makoto_Ueki; got it
- 20:01:46 [ben]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
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- On the phone I see +1.706.324.aaaa, ??P3, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic (muted), Makoto_Ueki
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- +Becky_Gibson
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- zakim, +1.706.324.aaaa is Andi-Snow-Weaver
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- +Andi-Snow-Weaver; got it
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- zakim, ??P3 is Gregg_and_Ben
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- +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
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- +??P9
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- zakim, ??P9 is Sorcha_Moore
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- +Sorcha_Moore; got it
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- +Judy
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- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:03:09 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Andi-Snow-Weaver, Gregg_and_Ben, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic (muted), Makoto_Ueki, Becky_Gibson, Sorcha_Moore, Judy
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- 20:03:30 [becka11y]
- zakim, I am becky_gibson
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- ok, becka11y, I now associate you with Becky_Gibson
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- +Alex_Li
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- scribe: becka11y
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from ben_]
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- +??P12
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- zakim, ??P12 is Roberto_Ellero
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- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
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- zakim, mute me
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- sorry, rellero_, I do not see a party named 'rellero_'
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- zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
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- Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
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- +??P2
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- zakim, ??P2 is Cynthia_Shelly
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- +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 1 closed
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- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Team C Survey <http://tinyurl.com/onjlm/> [from ben_]
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- zakim, take up agendum 2
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- agendum 2. "Team C Survey <http://tinyurl.com/onjlm/>" taken up [from ben_]
- 20:10:53 [becka11y]
- Topic: team c survey, item LC-668
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- Resolution: LC-668 accepted as proposed (with type correction) by unanimous concent.
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- Topic: item LC-669
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- Resolution: LC-669 accepted as proposed by unanimous concent.
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- Topic: item LC-670
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- Resolution: LC-670 accepted with amended first sentence.
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- Topic: item LC-673
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- Resolution: refer LC-673 back to team c
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- Topic: item LC-674
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- q+
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- q+
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- ack David
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- q+
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- +??P13
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- ack ben
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- +Christopher_Strobbe
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- q-
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- zakim, ??P13 is Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- +Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
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- q+
- 20:22:08 [judy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:22:08 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Andi-Snow-Weaver, Gregg_and_Ben, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic (muted), Makoto_Ueki, Becky_Gibson, Sorcha_Moore, Judy (muted), Alex_Li,
- 20:22:11 [Zakim]
- ... Roberto_Ellero (muted), Cynthia_Shelly, Bruce_Bailey, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Christopher_Strobbe
- 20:24:01 [becka11y]
- ack bec
- 20:24:14 [becka11y]
- Resolution: LC-674 refer back to team c, since we already have a failure about using a table to change the meaning (F49). This probably needs a better name and should be referred to in the response. David to contact team c for a possible additional technique about complex layout tables.
- 20:24:24 [becka11y]
- Topic: LC-675
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- ack b
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- -Bruce_Bailey
- 20:27:01 [becka11y]
- Resolution: LC-675 accepted with Ben's ammendments.
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- Action: team c to add user agent support notes to technique H44 and H65
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- Topic: LC-676
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- +Tim_Boland
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- Resolution: Add Technique H65 as a sufficient technique for 3.2.4 item #1.
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- Resolution: LC-676 accepted as proposed.
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- Topic: LC-677
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- Resolution: LC-677accepted with edits from Christophe and Becky.
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- Topic: LC-682
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- Resolution: LC-682 accepted with edits from Gregg.
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- Topic: LC-763
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- Resolution: LC-763 accepted with unanimous consent.
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- Topic: LC-875
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- Action: Bruce B to create a technique for using data tables to help identify form controls in a form.
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- Resolution: LC-875 accepted as proposed.
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- -Andi-Snow-Weaver
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- Topic: Team B survey - first question
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 2 closed
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- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. Team B Survey <http://tinyurl.com/heoly> [from ben_]
- 20:40:23 [ben]
- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3. "Team B Survey <http://tinyurl.com/heoly>" taken up [from ben_]
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- ack alex
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- Resolution: First question on team b survey about adding a disclaimer about resources: Add to each resources section in understanding and Techniques: “Resources are for information purposes only, no endorsement is implied.“
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- Topic: LC-701
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- -Bruce_Bailey
- 20:52:58 [becka11y]
- Resolution: Send LC-701 back to team b to review the survey suggestions.
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- +Bruce_Bailey
- 20:54:34 [becka11y]
- Resolution: Accept the following items, 703, 834, 860, 1051, 1126, 1135, 1139, 1297, 1327,1400, where there was unanimous consent in the survey.
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- Topic: LC-704, LC-1103
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey
- 21:05:46 [becka11y]
- Resolution: LC-704, LC-1103 – accepted with Christophe’s amendment to change the applicability and to update the response to point out the advisory technique for using no frames in SC 4.2.1.
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- Topic: LC-705
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey
- 21:10:16 [becka11y]
- Resolution: LC-705 – accept Christophe’s editorial amendment and Add to each technique that it is one of a series of techniques for locating content and include each of the other techniques in the related techniques section ( for the techniques sufficient for 2.4.2 ).
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- Topic: LC-779
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- Resolution: LC-779 accepted as amended to include the actions taken to address the comment within the response.
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- Topic: LC-915
- 21:16:01 [ben]
- zakim, who's making noise?
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- ben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Loretta_Guarino_Reid (77%), Makoto_Ueki (24%), Becky_Gibson (54%), Tim_Boland (10%)
- 21:16:34 [ben]
- zakim, mute Makoto
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- Makoto_Ueki should now be muted
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- ben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bruce_Bailey (4%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (25%), Gregg_and_Ben (29%), Becky_Gibson (33%)
- 21:19:18 [ben]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 21:19:29 [Zakim]
- ben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Loretta_Guarino_Reid (19%), Gregg_and_Ben (86%), Becky_Gibson (67%), Tim_Boland (56%)
- 21:19:37 [ben]
- zakim, mute Tim
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- Tim_Boland should now be muted
- 21:19:58 [becka11y]
- Resolution: LC-915 send back to team b to work with Becky to add examples and to also add “available to the user” to 3.1.4 and 3.1.6 as well.
- 21:20:05 [becka11y]
- Topic: LC-969
- 21:32:38 [becka11y]
- Resolution: LC-969 sent back to team b to clarify with the commenter.
- 21:32:43 [becka11y]
- Topic: LC-972
- 21:38:23 [becka11y]
- Resolution: LC-972 accept as amended.
- 21:38:36 [Christophe]
- zakim, mute me
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- Christopher_Strobbe should now be muted
- 21:38:46 [becka11y]
- Topic: LC-1111
- 21:39:28 [becka11y]
- Resolution: LC-1111 with the amended example title.
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- Ammended Resolution: ACCEPT LC-1111 with the amended example title.
- 21:40:25 [becka11y]
- Topic: LC-1132
- 21:42:11 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Ellero
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- -Tim_Boland
- 21:48:09 [becka11y]
- Resolution: LC-1132 accepted as amended.
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- Topic: LC-1137
- 21:50:05 [Christophe]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Christopher_Strobbe should no longer be muted
- 21:51:27 [becka11y]
- Resolution: LC-1137 accepted as amended.
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- Topic: LC-1377
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- Resolution: LC-1177 accepted as amended.
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- Topic: LC-1382
- 21:55:11 [Makoto]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Makoto_Ueki should no longer be muted
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- -David_MacDonald
- 21:57:01 [becka11y]
- Action: Makoto to verify that the Japanese examples in the glossary, G101 and G112 use the correct grammar and inform Ben.
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- Resolution: LC-1382 accepted as proposed
- 21:58:56 [ben]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 3 closed
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- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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- 4. Team A Survey <http://tinyurl.com/legl5> [from ben_]
- 21:59:04 [ben]
- zakim, take up agendum 4
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- agendum 4. "Team A Survey <http://tinyurl.com/legl5>" taken up [from ben_]
- 21:59:13 [becka11y]
- Topic: Team A survey
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- LC-603, LC-792, LC-854, LC-940, LC-1062, LC-1164, LC-1224
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- Resolution: Accept team a survey items which has unanimous consent: LC-603, LC-792, LC-854, LC-940, LC-1062, LC-1164, LC-1224
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- Topic: LC-912
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- zakim, who's making noise?
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- ben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Cynthia_Shelly (19%), Gregg_and_Ben (83%), Makoto_Ueki (31%), Becky_Gibson (58%), Katie_Haritos-Shea (6%)
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- zakim, mute me
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- Makoto_Ueki should now be muted
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- Resolution: LC-912 referred back to team a to consider adding interactive into the SC: “All <ins>interactive</ins> user interface components..... “
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- Topic: LC-1442
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- -Alex_Li
- 22:09:37 [becka11y]
- Resolution: LC-1442 referred back to team a to review the survey comments.
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- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- -Becky_Gibson
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- -Makoto_Ueki
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- -Sofia_Celic
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- -Sorcha_Moore
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- -Gregg_and_Ben
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- -Christopher_Strobbe
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- -Cynthia_Shelly
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- Present: Andi-Snow-Weaver, Gregg_VAnderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic, Makoto_Ueki, Becky_Gibson, Sorcha_Moore, Judy_Brewer, Alex_Li, Roberto_Ellero, Cynthia_Shelly, Bruce_Bailey, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Christophe_Strobbe, Tim_Boland
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- -Judy
- 22:10:12 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic, Makoto_Ueki, Becky_Gibson, Andi-Snow-Weaver, Gregg_and_Ben, Sorcha_Moore, Judy, Alex_Li,
- 22:10:16 [Zakim]
- ... Roberto_Ellero, Cynthia_Shelly, Christopher_Strobbe, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Tim_Boland
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- 22:13:45 [ben]
- RRSAgent, pointer?
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- See http://www.w3.org/2006/08/03-wai-wcag-irc#T22-13-45
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