IRC log of wai-wcag on 2006-08-03

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Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
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Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden and Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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agenda+ Team C Survey <>
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agenda+ Team B Survey <>
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agenda+ Team A Survey <>
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zakim, list conferences
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I see W3C_(Chevron)2:30PM, WAI_WCAG()3:00PM active
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also scheduled at this time are RWC_WAF(F2F)9:00AM, VB_VBWG(SIV)4:00PM, XML_QueryWG(ttf)3:00PM, WAI_UAWG()2:00PM
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zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
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ok, ben; that matches WAI_WCAG()3:00PM
20:00:49 [ben]
zakim, who's on the phone?
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On the phone I see +1.706.324.aaaa, ??P3, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bruce_Bailey
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20:01:10 [ben]
zakim, is Andi_Snow-Weaver
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sorry, ben, I do not recognize a party named ''
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zakim, 1.706.324.aaaa
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I don't understand '1.706.324.aaaa', ben
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zakim, 1.706.324.aaaa is Andi-Snow-Weaver
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sorry, ben, I do not recognize a party named '1.706.324.aaaa'
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20:01:43 [Makoto]
zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki
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+Makoto_Ueki; got it
20:01:46 [ben]
zakim, who's on the phone?
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On the phone I see +1.706.324.aaaa, ??P3, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic (muted), Makoto_Ueki
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20:02:04 [ben]
zakim, +1.706.324.aaaa is Andi-Snow-Weaver
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+Andi-Snow-Weaver; got it
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zakim, ??P3 is Gregg_and_Ben
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+Gregg_and_Ben; got it
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zakim, ??P9 is Sorcha_Moore
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+Sorcha_Moore; got it
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20:03:09 [ben]
zakim, who's on the phone?
20:03:09 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Andi-Snow-Weaver, Gregg_and_Ben, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic (muted), Makoto_Ueki, Becky_Gibson, Sorcha_Moore, Judy
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zakim, I am becky_gibson
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ok, becka11y, I now associate you with Becky_Gibson
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scribe: becka11y
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from ben_]
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20:05:41 [rellero_]
zakim, ??P12 is Roberto_Ellero
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+Roberto_Ellero; got it
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zakim, mute me
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sorry, rellero_, I do not see a party named 'rellero_'
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zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
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Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
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20:10:06 [ben]
zakim, ??P2 is Cynthia_Shelly
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+Cynthia_Shelly; got it
20:10:32 [ben]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 1 closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Team C Survey <> [from ben_]
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "Team C Survey <>" taken up [from ben_]
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Topic: team c survey, item LC-668
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Resolution: LC-668 accepted as proposed (with type correction) by unanimous concent.
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Topic: item LC-669
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Resolution: LC-669 accepted as proposed by unanimous concent.
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Topic: item LC-670
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Resolution: LC-670 accepted with amended first sentence.
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Topic: item LC-673
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Resolution: refer LC-673 back to team c
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Topic: item LC-674
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20:16:18 [David_MacDonald]
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ack David
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ack ben
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zakim, ??P13 is Katie_Haritos-Shea
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+Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
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20:22:08 [judy]
zakim, who's on the phone?
20:22:08 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Andi-Snow-Weaver, Gregg_and_Ben, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic (muted), Makoto_Ueki, Becky_Gibson, Sorcha_Moore, Judy (muted), Alex_Li,
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... Roberto_Ellero (muted), Cynthia_Shelly, Bruce_Bailey, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Christopher_Strobbe
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ack bec
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Resolution: LC-674 refer back to team c, since we already have a failure about using a table to change the meaning (F49). This probably needs a better name and should be referred to in the response. David to contact team c for a possible additional technique about complex layout tables.
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Topic: LC-675
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ack b
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20:27:01 [becka11y]
Resolution: LC-675 accepted with Ben's ammendments.
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Action: team c to add user agent support notes to technique H44 and H65
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Topic: LC-676
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Resolution: Add Technique H65 as a sufficient technique for 3.2.4 item #1.
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Resolution: LC-676 accepted as proposed.
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Topic: LC-677
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Resolution: LC-677accepted with edits from Christophe and Becky.
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Topic: LC-682
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Resolution: LC-682 accepted with edits from Gregg.
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Topic: LC-763
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Resolution: LC-763 accepted with unanimous consent.
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Topic: LC-875
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Action: Bruce B to create a technique for using data tables to help identify form controls in a form.
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Resolution: LC-875 accepted as proposed.
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Topic: Team B survey - first question
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 2 closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. Team B Survey <> [from ben_]
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zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "Team B Survey <>" taken up [from ben_]
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ack alex
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Resolution: First question on team b survey about adding a disclaimer about resources: Add to each resources section in understanding and Techniques: “Resources are for information purposes only, no endorsement is implied.“
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Topic: LC-701
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Resolution: Send LC-701 back to team b to review the survey suggestions.
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20:54:34 [becka11y]
Resolution: Accept the following items, 703, 834, 860, 1051, 1126, 1135, 1139, 1297, 1327,1400, where there was unanimous consent in the survey.
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20:55:11 [becka11y]
Topic: LC-704, LC-1103
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Resolution: LC-704, LC-1103 – accepted with Christophe’s amendment to change the applicability and to update the response to point out the advisory technique for using no frames in SC 4.2.1.
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Topic: LC-705
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21:10:16 [becka11y]
Resolution: LC-705 – accept Christophe’s editorial amendment and Add to each technique that it is one of a series of techniques for locating content and include each of the other techniques in the related techniques section ( for the techniques sufficient for 2.4.2 ).
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Topic: LC-779
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Resolution: LC-779 accepted as amended to include the actions taken to address the comment within the response.
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Topic: LC-915
21:16:01 [ben]
zakim, who's making noise?
21:16:15 [Zakim]
ben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Loretta_Guarino_Reid (77%), Makoto_Ueki (24%), Becky_Gibson (54%), Tim_Boland (10%)
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zakim, mute Makoto
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Makoto_Ueki should now be muted
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ben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bruce_Bailey (4%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (25%), Gregg_and_Ben (29%), Becky_Gibson (33%)
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zakim, who's making noise?
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ben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Loretta_Guarino_Reid (19%), Gregg_and_Ben (86%), Becky_Gibson (67%), Tim_Boland (56%)
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zakim, mute Tim
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Tim_Boland should now be muted
21:19:58 [becka11y]
Resolution: LC-915 send back to team b to work with Becky to add examples and to also add “available to the user” to 3.1.4 and 3.1.6 as well.
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Topic: LC-969
21:32:38 [becka11y]
Resolution: LC-969 sent back to team b to clarify with the commenter.
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Topic: LC-972
21:38:23 [becka11y]
Resolution: LC-972 accept as amended.
21:38:36 [Christophe]
zakim, mute me
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Christopher_Strobbe should now be muted
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Topic: LC-1111
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Resolution: LC-1111 with the amended example title.
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Ammended Resolution: ACCEPT LC-1111 with the amended example title.
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Topic: LC-1132
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21:48:09 [becka11y]
Resolution: LC-1132 accepted as amended.
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Topic: LC-1137
21:50:05 [Christophe]
zakim, unmute me
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Christopher_Strobbe should no longer be muted
21:51:27 [becka11y]
Resolution: LC-1137 accepted as amended.
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Topic: LC-1377
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Resolution: LC-1177 accepted as amended.
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Topic: LC-1382
21:55:11 [Makoto]
zakim, unmute me
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Makoto_Ueki should no longer be muted
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21:57:01 [becka11y]
Action: Makoto to verify that the Japanese examples in the glossary, G101 and G112 use the correct grammar and inform Ben.
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Resolution: LC-1382 accepted as proposed
21:58:56 [ben]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 3 closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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4. Team A Survey <> [from ben_]
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "Team A Survey <>" taken up [from ben_]
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Topic: Team A survey
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LC-603, LC-792, LC-854, LC-940, LC-1062, LC-1164, LC-1224
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Resolution: Accept team a survey items which has unanimous consent: LC-603, LC-792, LC-854, LC-940, LC-1062, LC-1164, LC-1224
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Topic: LC-912
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zakim, who's making noise?
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ben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Cynthia_Shelly (19%), Gregg_and_Ben (83%), Makoto_Ueki (31%), Becky_Gibson (58%), Katie_Haritos-Shea (6%)
22:02:01 [Makoto]
zakim, mute me
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Makoto_Ueki should now be muted
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Resolution: LC-912 referred back to team a to consider adding interactive into the SC: “All <ins>interactive</ins> user interface components..... “
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Topic: LC-1442
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Resolution: LC-1442 referred back to team a to review the survey comments.
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Present: Andi-Snow-Weaver, Gregg_VAnderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic, Makoto_Ueki, Becky_Gibson, Sorcha_Moore, Judy_Brewer, Alex_Li, Roberto_Ellero, Cynthia_Shelly, Bruce_Bailey, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Christophe_Strobbe, Tim_Boland
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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic, Makoto_Ueki, Becky_Gibson, Andi-Snow-Weaver, Gregg_and_Ben, Sorcha_Moore, Judy, Alex_Li,
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... Roberto_Ellero, Cynthia_Shelly, Christopher_Strobbe, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Tim_Boland
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RRSAgent, pointer?
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