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17:57:31 <Zakim> +Jim_Allan
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17:58:43 <cklaws> Jim, is there a UAAG meeting today?
17:59:05 <cklaws> ok
17:59:32 <Zakim> +[IBM]
18:00:02 <jallan> zakim, IBM is parentep
18:00:02 <Zakim> +parentep; got it
18:00:10 <Zakim> +[IBM]
18:00:59 <jallan> zakim, IBM is cklaws
18:00:59 <Zakim> +cklaws; got it
18:04:20 <parente> http://www.tsbvi.edu/technology/uawg/checklist.htm
18:04:23 <jallan> http://www.tsbvi.edu/technology/uawg/checklist-aug1.htm
18:04:59 <jallan> UAWG Checklist for Techniques Issues
18:07:25 <jallan> 4.8 Independent volume control
18:11:01 <jallan> cl: UA that have roles to control audio are usually "plug-ins" or screen readers. not 'standard' user agents
18:11:29 <jallan> zakim, scribe: jallan
18:11:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'scribe: jallan', jallan
18:11:46 <jallan> zakim, scribe jallan
18:11:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'scribe jallan', jallan
18:11:53 <jallan> scribe: jallan
18:12:48 <jallan> definition of "recongnized" in normative inclusions #2 is not the same as UAAG definition of "recongnize"
18:14:15 <jallan> definition of "recognize" is too focused on HTML
18:16:45 <jallan> #2 UA should be required to adjust volume for all audio content - stylistic or semantic
18:18:04 <jallan> cl: in the note: need to clarify by adding "including foreground and background audio"
18:18:39 <jallan> cl: sytlistic vs. semantic
18:19:05 <jallan> regardless of the stated 'role' of the content
18:22:15 <jallan> clarify - that independent sources (tracks, stream) can be controlled independently. but, dialog with backgound sound in the 'same' track cannot be seperately controlled
18:22:57 <jallan> e.g in a movie with spoken dialog and background sounds/music
18:26:20 <jallan> 4.9 configure syntsized speech rate
18:27:08 <jallan> this is very screen reader specific.
18:27:57 <jallan> most UA that are self-voiceing are using extensions or plug-ins 
18:30:06 <jallan> 4.9-4.13 are specifically related to screen readers
18:30:52 <jallan> 4.12 specify synthesized speech characteristics
18:31:59 <jallan> This is very dependent on the speech synthesizer and beyond the control of the UA
18:38:54 <jallan> 4.13 difficult to control, sythesizer has specific settings different from html settings. e.g. HP (Hewelt Packard), configure UA to not expand abbr, then send HP to synthsizer, and sythesizer says 'horsepower' as its own generated expansion.
18:40:12 <jallan> #3, numberals, more discussion how to handle dates, numbers and measurements. 
18:41:05 <jallan> may not be completely controllable by the UA. there is negotiation between html, UA rendering, and text to speech engine
18:42:51 <jallan> all user to control components (speech characteristics) seperately, but the may be a synergistic effect with in the TTS.
18:43:34 <jallan> and additional synergies with other markup (Voice XML, etc.) and the TTS also
18:45:06 <jallan> settings feed off of each other with unexpected consequences. User is unsure which componnent is at fault...UA, or TTS, or markup
18:46:14 <jallan> symbols and dictionary definitions, are unique to each TTS, 
18:46:32 <jallan> it is a speech setting of sorts
18:47:25 <jallan> TTS is trying to determine context of 
18:47:47 <jallan> string of information to determine inflection, etc.
18:50:10 <jallan> 4.14 choose stylesheets
18:56:11 <jallan> move Doing More #1 & 2 up to Example techniques. include screen shot of firefox or opera showing selection of stylesheet
19:00:27 <jallan> put #1 with example techniques #2 (UA stylesheet is a user style) 
19:01:17 <jallan> doing more #2 more to example techniques
19:01:35 <jallan> examples include greasemonkey for firefox,
19:02:21 <jallan> webadaptme (extension to ie and firefox)
19:02:40 <parente> http://www.opera.com/support/tutorials/userjs/
19:02:57 <cklaws> WebAdapt2Me: http://www-306.ibm.com/able/solution_offerings/WebAdapt2Me.html
19:03:10 <Zakim> -cklaws
19:03:17 <jallan> PP: javascript changing DOM on page load (where does this fit in guidelines)
19:03:41 <jallan> see opera link above
19:04:26 <Zakim> -Jim_Allan
19:04:28 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended
19:04:30 <Zakim> Attendees were Jim_Allan, parentep, cklaws
19:04:46 <jallan> rrsagent draft minutes
19:04:56 <jallan> rrsagent, draft minutes
19:04:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/08/03-ua-minutes.html jallan
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