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13:30:37 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS working group
13:30:40 <fsasaki> chair: Yves
13:30:42 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
13:30:46 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
13:30:51 <fsasaki> present: Felix, Yves
13:31:06 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
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13:58:50 <fsasaki> zakim, dial felix-home
13:58:50 <Zakim> ok, fsasaki; the call is being made
13:58:51 <Zakim> I18N_ITS()10:00AM has now started
13:58:52 <Zakim> +Felix
13:59:22 <YvesS> zakim, what is the code?
13:59:22 <Zakim> the conference code is 48794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), YvesS
13:59:38 <fsasaki> zakim, dial felix-home
13:59:38 <Zakim> I18N_ITS()10:00AM has ended
13:59:40 <Zakim> Attendees were Felix
13:59:42 <Zakim> ok, fsasaki; the call is being made
13:59:45 <Zakim> I18N_ITS()10:00AM has now started
13:59:48 <Zakim> +Felix
14:00:01 <Zakim> +Yves_Savourel
14:00:16 <Zakim> -Felix
14:00:18 <Zakim> I18N_ITS()10:00AM has ended
14:00:20 <Zakim> Attendees were Felix, Yves_Savourel
14:00:44 <Zakim> I18N_ITS()10:00AM has now started
14:00:51 <Zakim> +Yves_Savourel
14:01:05 <YvesS> zakim, who is here?
14:01:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Yves_Savourel
14:01:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see YvesS, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
14:01:22 <YvesS> :(
14:02:43 <YvesS> I got dropped once as well. But it seems to work now.
14:03:49 <YvesS> ok
14:05:42 <YvesS> do you want to use something else? like yahoo messenger voice?
14:06:04 <Zakim> +Felix
14:07:08 <fsasaki> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3456
14:08:33 <fsasaki> Yves proposal:
14:08:33 <fsasaki> "It is generally recommended to avoid using attribute to store text, however,
14:08:33 <fsasaki> in this specific case, the need to provide the notes without interfering with
14:08:33 <fsasaki> the structure of the host document is outweighing the drawbacks of using an
14:08:33 <fsasaki> attribute.
14:10:04 <fsasaki> resolution: go back to i18n core with the text proposal
14:11:39 <fsasaki> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3459
14:14:05 <fsasaki> <its:locInfoRule ...><its:locInfo its:translate="yes"> ...
14:14:56 <fsasaki> <its:locInfoRule ...><its:locInfo its:locInfo="Something"> ...
14:16:27 <fsasaki> <its:locInfoRule ... its:select="//*"><its:locInfo its:locInfo="Something"> ...
14:16:35 <fsasaki> <its:locInfoRule ... select="//*"><its:locInfo its:locInfo="Something"> ...
14:17:35 <fsasaki> Yves: normal processing for ITS markup about ITS markup
14:17:48 <fsasaki> .. that is: local has precedence over global
14:18:14 <fsasaki> action: Yves to try in his implementation of ITS markup about ITS markup in the case of locNote works
14:21:33 <fsasaki> Yves: locNote, termInfo, ruby (with rt / rb), span
14:21:40 <fsasaki> .. are elements with textual content
14:21:54 <fsasaki> .. problem would be ruby
14:23:27 <fsasaki> element span { inline except ruby }
14:24:03 <fsasaki> rt or rb { inline except ruby }
14:25:03 <fsasaki> rt or rb { inline except ruby  and except span }
14:25:22 <fsasaki> rt or rb { inline except ruby  and except its:span }
14:25:49 <fsasaki> rt or rb { inline except its:ruby  and except its:span }
14:28:32 <fsasaki> Felix: how about adding local markup to inline elements, without its:span?
14:29:00 <fsasaki> Action: Felix to draft a text how to work-around the problem of arbitrary nesting of its:span in ruby
14:30:02 <fsasaki> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3466
14:30:55 <fsasaki> Felix proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0253.html
14:31:00 <fsasaki> Yves agrees
14:34:24 <fsasaki> Conformance of the schemas with respect to IRIs doesn't work since it depends on the schema language
14:36:07 <fsasaki> However, people should expect an IRI if they process the "xxxRef" values
14:36:17 <fsasaki> resolution: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0253.html plus today's discussion
14:37:34 <fsasaki> action: Felix to draft a text for the role of IRIs before and after ITS processing
14:38:28 <fsasaki> topic: discussion about language
14:38:56 <fsasaki> concerns 3468, 3515 and others
14:39:12 <fsasaki> Yves: question which remains: is xml:lang normative or not?
14:41:41 <fsasaki> <its:langRule select="//*" langInfoPointer="xml:lang | myns:myLangAttr"/>
14:43:28 <fsasaki> let $french := //`
14:43:38 <fsasaki> [lang()=fr]
14:43:58 <fsasaki> let $french := //* [lang()="fr"]
14:46:10 <fsasaki> <its:langRule select="//*" langInfoPointer="xml:lang | myns:myLangAttr"/>
14:46:34 <fsasaki> <its:langRule select="//*" langInfoPointer="lang()="fr" | myns:myLangAttr['fr']"/>
14:52:05 <fsasaki> resolution: stick with the text we have, decide for now that it is non-normative
14:54:20 <fsasaki>  <its:langRule select="//*" langInfoPointer="xml:lang | myns:myLangAttr"/>
14:58:06 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/its/#selection-defaults-etc
15:01:28 <fsasaki> <its:langRule selector="//text" langPointer="preceding-sibling::langcode"/>
15:01:44 <YvesS> langPointer="../langcode"/
15:04:06 <fsasaki> Example c) at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0162.html is a valid example
15:04:39 <fsasaki> our resolution works also for 3469
15:04:59 <fsasaki> and 3480
15:05:34 <fsasaki> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3481
15:08:19 <fsasaki> resolution: don't change the name of translatability, go back to i18n core
15:11:22 <fsasaki> topic: 3482
15:11:32 <fsasaki> already closed, Felix has to go back to WG
15:11:42 <fsasaki> topic: 3494
15:11:50 <fsasaki> action for Felix left
15:11:58 <fsasaki> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3495
15:13:20 <fsasaki> Felix: looks good to me
15:14:13 <fsasaki> Yves: the WG needs to look at it
15:14:47 <fsasaki> topic: 3501
15:14:52 <fsasaki> resolved via 3502
15:15:04 <fsasaki> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3509
15:15:41 <fsasaki> Felix: that might take until September
15:16:08 <fsasaki> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3511
15:17:02 <fsasaki> Felix: new example looks fine to me
15:17:29 <fsasaki> same for http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3512
15:18:12 <fsasaki> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3513
15:18:45 <fsasaki> Yves: I'll write a paragraph about this
15:20:27 <fsasaki> topic: next calls
15:20:36 <fsasaki> Yves: no call this week, too many people on vacation
15:21:23 <fsasaki> action: Felix to send the i18n core comments with resolutions back to i18n core
15:24:09 <Zakim> -Felix
15:24:10 <Zakim> I18N_ITS()10:00AM has ended
15:24:12 <Zakim> Attendees were Yves_Savourel, Felix
15:24:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/07/31-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
15:25:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/07/31-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
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