IRC log of wai-wcag on 2006-07-27

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Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JulSep/0070.html
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Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden and Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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Regrets: John_Slatin, Roberto_Scano
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agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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agenda+ Team C Survey <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20060727_teamc/>
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agenda+ Team B Survey for 27 July <http://tinyurl.com/ky87h>
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agenda+ Guideline numbering scheme (x.x.x vs x.x )
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agenda+ Timelines, Tool hints, Comment Processing from here.
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zakim, this is wai_wcag
19:59:30 [Zakim]
ok, Michael; that matches WAI_WCAG()3:00PM
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+Cooper
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+Christophe_Strobbe
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+David_MacDonald
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+Andi_Snow_Weaver
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+Alex_Li
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+[IPcaller.a]
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zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki
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+Makoto_Ueki; got it
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+??P9
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+Bruce_Bailey
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zakim, ??P9 is Gregg_and_Ben
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+Gregg_and_Ben; got it
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+Becky_Gibson
20:02:43 [becka11y]
zakim, I am Becky_Gibson
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ok, becka11y, I now associate you with Becky_Gibson
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+??P11
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zakim, ??P11 is Roberto_Ellero
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+Roberto_Ellero; got it
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zakim, mute me
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sorry, rellero_, I do not see a party named 'rellero_'
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+Katie_Haritos-Shea
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Zakim, mute Robert_Ellero
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sorry, rellero_, I do not see a party named 'Robert_Ellero'
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Zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
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Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
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scribe: Andi
20:07:00 [Andi]
scribe: Andi
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from ben]
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zakim, close agendum
20:07:12 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'close agendum', ben_
20:07:18 [ben_]
zakim, close agendum 1
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agendum 1, Announcements, Questions, and Updates, closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Team C Survey <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20060727_teamc/> [from ben]
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+Sofia_Celic
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Team C: LC-667, LC-1115
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Team B: LC-523 , LC-690 , LC- 1125, LC-1371 , LC-914 , LC-1112 , LC-769 , LC-616
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resolution: LC-667, LC-1115, LC-523 , LC-690 , LC- 1125, LC-1371 , LC-914 , LC-1112 , LC-769 , LC-616 accepted by unanimous consent
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+??P14
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topic: LC-672
20:11:04 [ben_]
zakim, who's on the phone?
20:11:04 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Judy, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Makoto_Ueki, Cooper, Christophe_Strobbe, David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Alex_Li, [IPcaller.a], Gregg_and_Ben, Bruce_Bailey,
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... Becky_Gibson, Roberto_Ellero (muted), Katie_Haritos-Shea, Sofia_Celic (muted), ??P14
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q+
20:12:44 [Michael]
ack b
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q+
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ack b
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+ +1.301.927.aaaa
20:16:28 [Andi]
resolution: accept LC-672 with edits, create a plain text technique called "Presenting tabular information linearly"
20:16:32 [Michael]
zakim, +1.301 is Tim_Boland
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+Tim_Boland; got it
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topic: 770
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resolution: accept LC-770 and add ", but welcomes any assistance in testing and documentation of these issues for future drafts." to the end of the first sentence of the response
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topic: LC-1079
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resolution: accept LC-1079 as ammended with G14 and G122 examples
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topic: LC-1120
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resolution: accept LC-1120 as amended
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resolution: make text descriptions plural in LC-1120
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topic: LC-665
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-Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey
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resolution: accept LC-665 as amended
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resolution: accept LC-667 as amended
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topic: LC-796
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Failure of SC 1.1.1 due to using look-alike glyphs to represent text without providing a text alternative.
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Providing text alternatives for strings where look-alike glyphs are used in place of letters (e.g. Leetspeak).
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Failure of SC 1.1.1 due to using ASCII art without providing a text alternative.
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Providing text alternatives for ASCII art.
20:38:55 [Andi]
resolution: close LC-796 adding the following 4 techniques: Failure of SC 1.1.1 due to using look-alike glyphs to represent text without providing a text alternative., Providing text alternatives for strings where look-alike glyphs are used in place of letters (e.g. Leetspeak)., Failure of SC 1.1.1 due to using ASCII art without providing a text alternative., Providing text alternatives for ASCII art.
20:39:45 [ben_]
zakim, close this item
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I do not know what agendum had been taken up, ben_
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zakim, close agendum 2
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agendum 2, Team C Survey <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20060727_teamc/>, closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. Team B Survey for 27 July <http://tinyurl.com/ky87h> [from ben]
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zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "Team B Survey for 27 July <http://tinyurl.com/ky87h>" taken up [from ben]
20:42:34 [ben_]
zakim, who's on the phone?
20:42:34 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Judy, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Makoto_Ueki, Cooper, Christophe_Strobbe, David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Alex_Li, [IPcaller.a], Gregg_and_Ben, Becky_Gibson,
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topic: LC-567 and LC-1292
20:46:41 [Ryladog]
However, the Working Group recognizes the usefulness of visible skip navigation for switch users, those using techniques that generate keyboard slowly and others and have changed the Example 2 in G1 to reflect this.
20:47:35 [Ryladog]
However, the Working Group recognizes the usefulness of visible skip navigation for switch users, those using techniques that generate keyboard strokes slowly and others and have changed the Example 2 in G1 to reflect this.
20:50:23 [Christophe]
zakim, mute me
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Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
20:51:38 [Christophe]
zakim, unmute me
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Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
20:58:23 [Ryladog]
NOTE: When possible a visible link is preferred over a hidden link. Hidden links benefit screen reader users while visible links are necessary for those navigating with a keyboard including switch users, those using techniques that generate keyboard strokes slowly, low vision, screen screeder user working with sighted collegues, keyboard only users
20:59:28 [Ryladog]
NOTE: When possible a visible link is preferred over a hidden link. Hidden links benefit screen reader users while visible links are necessary for those navigating with a keyboard including switch users, those using techniques that generate keyboard strokes slowly, low vision, screen screeder user working with sighted collegues, keyboard only users
21:00:14 [Ryladog]
NOTE: When possible a visible link is preferred over a hidden link. Hidden links benefit screen reader users while visible links are necessary for those navigating with a keyboard including switch users, those using techniques that generate keyboard strokes slowly, low vision, screen screeder user working with sighted collegues, keyboard only users and those navigating using voice recognition software.
21:01:27 [Ryladog]
NOTE: When possible a visible link is preferred over a hidden link. Hidden links benefit screen reader users while visible links are necessary for those navigating with a keyboard including switch users, those using techniques that generate keyboard strokes slowly, screen magnification software, screen readers user working with sighted collegues, keyboard only users and those navigating using voice recognition software.
21:03:53 [Ryladog]
NOTE: When possible a visible link is preferred over a hidden link. Visible links are necessary for those navigating with a keyboard including switch users, those using techniques that generate keyboard strokes slowly, screen magnification software users, screen reader users working with sighted collegues, keyboard only users and those navigating using voice recognition software.
21:04:48 [Andi]
resolution: accept LC-567 and LC-1292 with amendments to the technique and response
21:05:43 [Andi]
resolution: modify response to LC-567 and LC-1292 to add "However, the Working Group recognizes the usefulness of visible skip navigation for switch users, those using techniques that generate keyboard strokes slowly and others, and have changed the Example 2 in G1 to reflect this."
21:07:36 [Andi]
resolution: modify the Note after Example 2 in G1 (proposed in LC-567) to "NOTE: When possible a visible link is preferred over a hidden link. Visible links are necessary for those navigating with a keyboard including switch users, those using techniques that generate keyboard strokes slowly, screen magnification software users, screen reader users working with sighted collegues, keyboard only users and those navigating using voice recognition software."
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topic: LC-665 (revisited)
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-Bruce_Bailey
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resolution: accept LC-665 as amended realtime by Becky
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topic: LC-612 and LC-917
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resolution: accept LC-612 and LC-917 as amended
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topic: LC-883
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+Bruce_Bailey
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resolution: change SC 3.1.4 to "A mechanism for finding the expanded form or meaning of abbreviations is available."
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-Tim_Boland
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topic: LC-1114
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-Bruce_Bailey
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resolution: accept LC-1114 as amended
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topic: LC-1379
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+Bruce_Bailey
21:31:02 [Andi]
resolution: accept LC-1379 as amended
21:31:49 [ben_]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 3 closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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4. Guideline numbering scheme (x.x.x vs x.x ) [from ben]
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "Guideline numbering scheme (x.x.x vs x.x )" taken up [from ben]
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q+
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ack b
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ack bru
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ack d
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ack dav
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q+
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ack Lor
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scribe: becka11y
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Resolution: Keep the x.x.x numbering scheme for the guidelines
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 4 closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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5. Timelines, Tool hints, Comment Processing from here. [from ben]
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zakim, take up agendum 5
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agendum 5. "Timelines, Tool hints, Comment Processing from here." taken up [from ben]
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-Roberto_Ellero
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-??P14
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Present: Judy_Brewer, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Makoto_Ueki, Michael_Cooper, Christophe_Strobbe, David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Alex_Li, Sorcha_Moore, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Becky_Gibson, Roberto_Ellero, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Sofia_Celic, Tim_Boland, Bruce_Bailey
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-Alex_Li
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-Sofia_Celic
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-Katie_Haritos-Shea
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-Becky_Gibson
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-Judy
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-David_MacDonald
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-Bruce_Bailey
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-Cooper
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-Christophe_Strobbe
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-Andi_Snow_Weaver
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-[IPcaller.a]
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-Gregg_and_Ben
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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-Makoto_Ueki
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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Judy, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Cooper, Christophe_Strobbe, David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Alex_Li, Makoto_Ueki, Bruce_Bailey, Gregg_and_Ben, Becky_Gibson,
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... Roberto_Ellero, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Sofia_Celic, +1.301.927.aaaa, Tim_Boland
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21:54:38 [ben_]
RRSAgent, pointer?
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See http://www.w3.org/2006/07/27-wai-wcag-irc#T21-54-38
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent bye
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rrsagent, bye
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I see no action items