17:57:39 RRSAgent has joined #ua 17:57:39 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/07/27-ua-irc 17:57:49 Meeting: WAI UA 17:58:19 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006JulSep/0013.html 17:58:34 Scribe: JR 17:58:54 Chair: Jim Allan 17:59:32 parente has joined #ua 18:03:31 PP: I found this note interesting in light of our discussion two weeks ago about 3.1 (Toggle background images) and DHTML libraries that use CSS tricks (e.g. background) to draw widgets. 18:03:32 18:03:32 Note: The style exception of this checkpoint is based on the assumption that authors have satisfied the requirements of the "Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 1.0" [WCAG10] not to convey information through style alone (e.g., through color alone or style sheets alone). 18:03:32 18:03:34 I see how it fits in the 4.4 section. Does it also suggest any changes in 3.1? 18:03:53 (JA: PAsted in Peter's earlier email to list) 18:04:11 ja response: JA: Not sure about 3.1, need more information. I think 4.4 may tie into 3.2. Animation can be created with Multimedia, and this may require that in addition to ability not to render the content (3.2), that if the multimedia animation, etc. is rendered then the user should be able to control the speed. there is a note in 3.2 referring to Guideline 4 for add ional requirements 18:04:11 18:04:11 "Note: See guideline 4 for additional requirements related to the control of rendered audio, video, and animated images. When these content types are not rendered, they are considered conditional content. See checkpoint 2.3 for information about providing access to conditional content." 18:04:18 (JA: Pasted in Jan's reply email) 18:04:53 (oops JA's email) 18:05:26 ja: more, response 18:05:28 4.4 has a normative exclusion 18:05:28 1. The user agent is not required to satisfy this checkpoint for audio and animations whose recognized role is to create a purely stylistic effect. Purely stylistic effects include background sounds, decorative animated images, and effects caused by style sheets. 18:05:28 18:05:28 this seems strange to me. the purpose of the audio, animation, etc. should not matter. The user should be able to stop it (3.2) or slow it down (4.4). How is the UA to know what is stylistic and what is real content? 18:05:29 PP: Seemed interesting in light of background being used to draw widgets in style alone 18:06:00 JA: OK makes more sense. 18:07:54 JA: We should change to say it doesn't matter what the role is, the user still needs control. 18:08:01 JR: Makes sense. 18:08:35 JA: Creating chart will send out soon. 18:09:31 Topic: PP's point about animated icons in title bar 18:09:59 JA: Likes JR's second suggestion, calling that icon content.