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19:22:39 <ben> RRSAgent, do not start a new log
19:22:46 <ben> RRSAgent, make log world
19:22:52 <ben> Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
19:23:21 <ben> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JulSep/0055.html
19:23:33 <ben> Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden and Loretta_Guarino_Reid
19:24:28 <ben> Regrets: Roberto_Castaldo, Makoto_Ueki, Sorcha_Moore, Tim_Boland, Cynthia_Shelly
19:25:31 <ben> agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
19:25:38 <ben> agenda+ Team C Survey for 20 July <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20060718_teamc/>
19:25:47 <ben> agenda+ Team B Survey for 20 July <http://tinyurl.com/rmx9b>
19:25:53 <ben> agenda+ Last Call Issues from Team A for 20 July 2006 <http://tinyurl.com/nqptu>
19:26:00 <ben> agenda+ Last Call Issues from Editors for 20 July 2006 <http://tinyurl.com/fwv6h>
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19:56:08 <Michael> ben set up the logging; I'll turn on scribe only
19:56:28 <Michael> note: one bug with scribe only is that zakim agenda topics are also excluded
19:56:38 <Michael> scribeOptions: scribeOnly
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20:00:40 <Michael> zakim, this will be wai_wcag
20:00:40 <Zakim> ok, Michael, I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM already started
20:00:47 <Michael> zakim, call Cooper-Boston
20:00:47 <Zakim> ok, Michael; the call is being made
20:00:49 <Zakim> +Cooper
20:00:54 <ben> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:00:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic, ??P4, ??P6, Cooper
20:01:04 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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20:01:36 <Michael> zakim, mute ??P4
20:01:36 <Zakim> ??P4 should now be muted
20:01:47 <Michael> zakim, unmute ??P4
20:01:47 <Zakim> ??P4 should no longer be muted
20:01:52 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
20:02:01 <Michael> zakim, ??P5 is Gian_Sampson-Wild
20:02:01 <Zakim> I already had ??P5 as MIT-Star, Michael
20:02:01 <ben> zakim, ??P4 is Ben_and_Gregg
20:02:02 <Zakim> +Ben_and_Gregg; got it
20:02:16 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
20:02:19 <Michael> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:02:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic (muted), Ben_and_Gregg, ??P6, Cooper, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Christophe_Strobbe, Bruce_Bailey
20:02:23 <Christophe> Christophe has joined #wai-wcag
20:02:33 <Michael> zakim, ??P6 is Gian_Sampson-Wild
20:02:33 <Zakim> +Gian_Sampson-Wild; got it
20:02:38 <Zakim> +Alex_Li
20:04:01 <Zakim> +Becky_Gibson
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20:05:36 <becka11y> zakim, I am becky_gibson
20:05:36 <Zakim> ok, becka11y, I now associate you with Becky_Gibson
20:05:55 <becka11y> scribe: beckya11y
20:05:58 <Michael> scribeNick: becka11y
20:06:07 <Zakim> +??P13
20:06:08 <ben> agenda?
20:06:25 <rellero__> Zakim, P13 is Roberto_Ellero
20:06:25 <Zakim> sorry, rellero__, I do not recognize a party named 'P13'
20:06:32 <Michael> zakim, ??P13 is Roberto_Ellero
20:06:32 <Zakim> +Roberto_Ellero; got it
20:06:33 <ben> zakim, mute ??P13
20:06:34 <Zakim> sorry, ben, I do not see a party named '??P13'
20:06:38 <rellero__> Zakim, ??P13 is Roberto_Ellero
20:06:38 <Zakim> I already had ??P13 as Roberto_Ellero, rellero__
20:06:40 <Michael> zakim, mute roberto
20:06:40 <Zakim> Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
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20:07:42 <Gregg> gregg Team B: LC-1378, LC-1385, LC-1391, LC-1393, LC-1397, LC-1398, LC-1402, LC-1403, LC-1404
20:07:52 <Gregg> Team A: LC-1227, LC-1228 , LC-1236 , LC-1229
20:08:01 <Gregg> Editors: LC-574 , LC-903 , LC-904 , LC-905 , LC-918 ,  LC-921 ,  LC-923 ,  LC-1002 ,  LC-1091 ,  LC-1175 ,  LC-1386,  LC-1388 ,  LC-1390 ,  LC-1394 ,  LC-1399
20:08:41 <becka11y> Reolution: Accept those items in the survey which all participants agreed and there were no comments or edits. 
20:08:41 <becka11y> Team C: LC-736, Team A: LC-1227, LC-1228 , LC-1236 , LC-1229, LC-574 , LC-903 , LC-904 , LC-905 , LC-918 ,  LC-921 ,  LC-923 ,  LC-1002 ,  LC-1091 ,  LC-1175 ,  LC-1386,  LC-1388 ,  LC-1390 ,  LC-1394 ,  LC-1399
20:09:10 <becka11y> Topic: LC-654
20:09:33 <ben> zakim, close agendum 1
20:09:33 <Zakim> agendum 1, Announcements, Questions, and Updates, closed
20:09:34 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
20:09:36 <Zakim> 2. Team C Survey for 20 July <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20060718_teamc/> [from ben]
20:09:38 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 2
20:09:38 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Team C Survey for 20 July <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20060718_teamc/>" taken up [from ben]
20:12:21 <Zakim> +??P0
20:13:18 <becka11y> Resolution:  Accept proposal for LC-654 as ammended to reference SC 1.3.1. 
20:13:55 <becka11y> Topic: LC-665
20:15:16 <Zakim> +Judy
20:17:00 <Zakim> -??P0
20:17:34 <Zakim> +??P0
20:20:39 <becka11y> Resolution: refer LC-665 back to team C to update the description of G94 and H57 to explain that the alt text for non-text content for words must be those same words. 
20:20:50 <becka11y> Topic: LC-667
20:25:48 <Christophe> q+
20:27:24 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
20:28:33 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
20:28:58 <Christophe> q-
20:29:49 <becka11y> Resolution: Send LC-667 back to team C to update the technique to require text alternatives in the alt text and in the body of the applet.  
20:30:21 <becka11y> Topic: LC-758
20:44:08 <becka11y> esolution: Refer LC-758 back to committee to ask Gez to better describe how labels should be correctly prositioned in a testable fasion.
20:44:28 <becka11y> s/Resolution/esolution
20:44:46 <becka11y> Topic: LC-796
20:44:57 <ben> s/fashion/fasion
20:49:52 <becka11y> Resolution: LC-796 is referred back to team C. The working group does not consider Leetspeak to be accessible. 
20:50:12 <becka11y> Topic: LC-833
20:51:05 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
20:51:33 <becka11y> Resolution: Accept LC-833 as ammended. The last sentence changes to: ""Source code order is not currently listed as a sufficient technique and has specifically been de-emphasized by the Working Group."
20:51:55 <becka11y> Topic: LC-1069
20:52:16 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
20:52:45 <becka11y> Resolution: Accept LC-1069 as ammended with Ben's addtional material from the survey.
20:53:03 <becka11y> Topic: LC-1159
20:53:58 <becka11y> Resolution: Accept LC-1159 as proposed. 
20:54:18 <becka11y> Topic: LC-1407
20:57:20 <becka11y> Resolution: Send LC-1407 back to team C to look at all techniques related to table layout and create consistent language for F46, H2, H73 and H39
20:58:04 <ben> zakim, close this item
20:58:04 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
20:58:06 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
20:58:07 <Zakim> 3. Team B Survey for 20 July <http://tinyurl.com/rmx9b> [from ben]
20:58:07 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 3
20:58:07 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Team B Survey for 20 July <http://tinyurl.com/rmx9b>" taken up [from ben]
20:58:24 <becka11y> Topic: Team A survey Issue LC-609
20:58:52 <becka11y> s/Team A/Team B
20:59:13 <Michael> zakim, who's talking?
20:59:18 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
20:59:23 <Zakim> Michael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ben_and_Gregg (50%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (4%), Bruce_Bailey (24%), Becky_Gibson (4%), Cooper (4%)
21:00:20 <Christophe> zakim, mute me
21:00:20 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
21:01:10 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
21:01:22 <becka11y> Resolution: Refer LC-609 back to committee to incorporate survey feedback.
21:01:30 <ben> zakim, who's on the phone?
21:01:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic (muted), Ben_and_Gregg, Gian_Sampson-Wild (muted), Cooper, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Christophe_Strobbe (muted), Alex_Li, Becky_Gibson,
21:01:33 <Zakim> ... Roberto_Ellero (muted), Judy, ??P0, Bruce_Bailey
21:03:58 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
21:07:21 <becka11y> Topic: LC-612
21:07:22 <becka11y> Resolution: refer LC-612 back to team b to incorporate addtional information about default presentation.
21:08:05 <Christophe> zakim, unmute me
21:08:05 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
21:08:06 <becka11y> Topic: LC-623
21:08:47 <becka11y> Topic:  refer LC-623 back to team B to address survey comments. 
21:08:57 <becka11y> s/Topic:/Resolution:
21:09:22 <becka11y> Topic: LC-1383
21:09:27 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
21:10:31 <becka11y> Resolution: accept LC-1383 as proposed. 
21:10:38 <becka11y> Topic: LC-1384
21:14:22 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
21:16:28 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
21:20:02 <becka11y> Resolution: change "primary language" to "default natural language" throughout the guideline documents
21:21:29 <becka11y> Resolution: accept LC-1384 as ammended to use "default natural language"
21:22:26 <becka11y> Topic: LC-1392
21:27:14 <becka11y> Resolution: close LC-1392 as proposed.
21:27:50 <becka11y> Action: Christophe to check support of xml:lang by screen readers and add user agent note to H57 as appropriate.
21:29:49 <becka11y> Topic: 1401
21:29:51 <becka11y> Resolution: accept LC-1401 as proposed. 
21:30:33 <ben> zakim, close this item
21:30:33 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
21:30:34 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
21:30:35 <Zakim> 4. Last Call Issues from Team A for 20 July 2006 <http://tinyurl.com/nqptu> [from ben]
21:30:38 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 4
21:30:38 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Last Call Issues from Team A for 20 July 2006 <http://tinyurl.com/nqptu>" taken up [from ben]
21:31:22 <becka11y> Topic: Issues from Team A - Topic 810
21:33:48 <becka11y> Resolution: accept LC-810 as ammended with Ben's proposal, "1.2.2 Audio descriptions of video, or a [full text alternative for multimedia including any interaction], are provided for prerecorded multimedia."
21:33:59 <becka11y> Topic: 1223
21:37:18 <becka11y> Resolution: accept LC-1223 as proposed with Michael's addition of, "This is a case where higher-level SC build upon the requirements of lower-level SC with the intention of having cumulative, progressively stronger, requirements."
21:37:24 <becka11y> Topic: LC-1265
21:38:35 <becka11y> Resolution: accept LC-1265 using Michael's redrafting of the response: "Due to the wide variability on many dimensions of human ability, there are people who necessarily fall beyond the limits that a practicable set of guidelines can address. WCAG 2.0 addresses all disabilities to some extent, but none absolutely, and the focus is to create a set of guidelines that provides the broadest coverage possible while remaining reasonable for general-purpose guid
21:39:07 <becka11y> Topic: LC-1267
21:40:00 <becka11y> replacing "When people who understand WCAG 2.0 test the same content using the same success criteria, the same results should be obtained with high inter-rater reliability" with "When people who understand WCAG 2.0 test the same content using the same success criteria and *with the same understanding of how people with disabilities use the web*, the same results should be obtained with high inter-rater reliability"?
21:40:09 <becka11y> Topic: LC-1322
21:44:04 <becka11y> Resolution: accept LC-1322 as proposed
21:44:15 <becka11y> Topic: LC-1427
21:50:34 <becka11y> Resolution: accept LC-1427 as ammended to remove the first two examples (a heading and a section title)
21:51:49 <becka11y> q+
21:51:57 <becka11y> q-
21:55:24 <ben> q+
21:57:24 <Gregg> ack
21:57:25 <ben> q-
21:57:28 <becka11y> Ammended Resolution for LC-1427: accept LC-1427 as ammended to remove the examples from the definition of relationships.
21:57:50 <ben> zakim, close this item
21:57:50 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
21:57:52 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
21:57:53 <Zakim> 5. Last Call Issues from Editors for 20 July 2006 <http://tinyurl.com/fwv6h> [from ben]
21:57:57 <ben> zakim, take up agendum 5
21:57:57 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Last Call Issues from Editors for 20 July 2006 <http://tinyurl.com/fwv6h>" taken up [from ben]
21:57:58 <becka11y> Topic: Editor's survey - Topic LC-656
21:57:59 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
21:58:51 <becka11y> Resolution: accept LC-656 as ammended with Becky's addition of: "These are a future component that will be developed in conjunction with the Education and Outreach Working Group."
21:59:17 <becka11y> Topic: LC-725
21:59:34 <becka11y> Resolution: accept LC-725 as proposed.
22:00:20 <becka11y> Topic: LC-890
22:00:28 <Zakim> -Gian_Sampson-Wild
22:02:29 <becka11y> Reolution:  return LC-890 to editors to address the question about splitting words
22:07:28 <ben> scribe: Christophe
22:07:40 <Zakim> -Becky_Gibson
22:07:45 <becka11y> becka11y has left #wai-wcag
22:08:03 <Christophe> Topic: LC-847
22:13:56 <Zakim> -Roberto_Ellero
22:15:54 <Christophe> Resolution: refer LC-847 back to the editors
22:16:24 <Christophe> Topic: LC-849
22:19:15 <judy> zakim, who's here?
22:19:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sofia_Celic (muted), Ben_and_Gregg, Cooper, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Christophe_Strobbe, Alex_Li, Judy, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bruce_Bailey
22:19:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see judy, Christophe, David_MacDonald, Sofia, Gregg, RRSAgent, Zakim, ben, Michael
22:22:21 <Michael> Character. (1) The smallest component of written language that has semantic value; refers
22:22:22 <Michael> to the abstract meaning and/or shape, rather than a specific shape (see also glyph), though
22:22:24 <Michael> in code tables some form of visual representation is essential for the reader’s understanding.
22:22:25 <Michael> (2) Synonym for abstract character. (3) The basic unit of encoding for the Unicode
22:22:27 <Michael> character encoding. (4) The English name for the ideographic written elements of Chinese
22:22:29 <Michael> origin. (See ideograph (2).)
22:22:44 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
22:22:53 <ben> Present: David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic, Ben_Caldwell, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Gian_Sampson-Wild, Michael_Cooper, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Christophe_Strobbe, Alex_Li, Becky_Gibson, Roberto_Ellero, Judy_Brewer, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bruce_Bailey
22:25:06 <Christophe> Resolution: refer LC-849 back to the editors to explore baseline approach
22:25:15 <Christophe> Topic: LC-852
22:27:52 <Christophe> Resolution: refer LC-852 back to the editors
22:28:10 <Christophe> Topic: LC-868
22:28:24 <Christophe> Resolution: refer LC-868 back to the editors for technique testability issue
22:28:35 <Christophe> Topic: LC-879
22:35:05 <Christophe> Resolution: accept LC-879 as proposed
22:35:23 <Christophe> Topic: LC-1061
22:39:59 <Christophe> Resolution: accept LC-1061 as proposed
22:40:14 <Christophe> Topic: LC-1152
22:45:15 <Christophe> Resolution: refer LC-1152 back to editors with action for Ben and Christophe
22:45:39 <Christophe> Topic: LC-1175
22:45:53 <Christophe> Resolution: accept LC-1175 as amended
22:46:08 <Christophe> Topic: LC-1230
22:47:24 <Christophe> Resolution: refer LC-1230 back to editors to add some description of why the numbers are there
22:48:15 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
22:48:16 <Zakim> -Sofia_Celic
22:48:18 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
22:48:20 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
22:48:43 <ben> RRSAgent, bye
22:48:43 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
22:48:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Christophe to check support of xml:lang by screen readers and add user agent note to H57 as appropriate. [1]
22:48:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-wai-wcag-irc#T21-27-50