IRC log of er on 2006-07-19

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zakim, this will be ERT

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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()9:00AM scheduled to start 48 minutes ago

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meeting: ERT WG

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Jul/0018.html

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chair: Shadi

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agenda+ WCL URI matching

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agenda+ Updated EARL 1.0 Schema Editors' Draft

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WAI_ERTWG()9:00AM has now started

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+Dialer

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-Dialer

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+Shadi

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+??P15

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zakim, who is on the call?

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On the phone I see Shadi, ??P15

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zakim, ??p15 is really Johannes

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+Johannes; got it

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+CarlosI

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zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1. "WCL URI matching" taken up [from shadi__]

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+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

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scribe: Shadi

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scribenick: shadi

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ci: WCL covers most our requirements, except for the snippets

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...but we dicussed this already

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-Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

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ci: the assumption is that all sub-domains are also part of a claim

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...this may be an issue

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+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

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ci: it is not clear how sub-domains will be addressed (for example with regexp etc)

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ci: they also define several requirements that are more general than ours

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saz: "snippet" as in part of a web page/resource?

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ci: yes

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saz: this is not a requirement for EARL but more a feedback for WCL?

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+Jim_Ley

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jk: no a requirement for pattern matching

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resolution: send feedback to WCL that claims for snippets may be useful to consider

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saz: do they address "delivery units"?

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ci: no, only URI matching

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saz: how mature is this, is this something we should wait for?

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ci: is useful for more compact reports that do not contain all the detail on the relationships between the results

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saz: johannes, any opinions on how useful this is?

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jk: not sure if we should use just that for compacting purposes, but can see a use case and it may be useful

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saz: carlosV?

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cv: content labeling is different from testing

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...they are not getting to the real meat of the problem

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...maybe we should submit our comments rather than the other way around

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saz: jim?

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jl: no comments

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saz: do we need to add/change something in EARL 1.0 in order to use this, or can we continue developing EARL 1.0?

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...do we need to wait?

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cv: don't think we should wait, especially considering our current resources

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jl: don't think we need this stuff, so maybe better develop EARL 1.0 and see how we can use it once it is ready

14:32:53 [JohannesK]

ACK

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ci: continue EARL 1.0, and see what we can do with this at a later time

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...it should not require radical changes to EARL 1.0

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resolution: continue to monitor the development of the WCL URI matching, and continue to develop EARL 1.0 in parallel

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saz: are they aware of the sub-domain ambiguity issue?

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ci: it is in the requirement to address sub-domains, but they are using RDF-CL which considers all sub-domains to be part of a domain

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...they will need to change RDF-CL accordingly

14:37:22 [CarlosI]

[http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/doc/content-labels-schema.htm#hostRestriction]

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resolution: send WCL feedback that sub-domains need to be addressed in a non-ambigious way for u to be able to use this work

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action: saz & ci work on response for WCL group

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zakim, close agendum 1

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agendum 1, WCL URI matching, closed

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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

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2. Updated EARL 1.0 Schema Editors' Draft [from shadi__]

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zakim, take up agendum 2

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agendum 2. "Updated EARL 1.0 Schema Editors' Draft" taken up [from shadi__]

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scribe: Jim

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scribenick: JibberJim

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SAZ: Section 4 on conformance is new, need to look in more detail, it's important: Question Section 3 - should it really be in the guide

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CI: I agree it should be in the guide

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CV: It's in the guide.

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SAZ: Is there anything normative we need to say about extensibility?

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CV: It's RDF

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JK: Something would be good, but mostly in the guide

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SAZ: Maybe something in the intro? to point at the RDF Primer

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SAZ: I don't think it needs its own section

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JL: Agrees with everything above

14:50:04 [shadi]

resolution: move "extensions" section to EARL 1.0 Guide, and add a line or two about exentsibility in the "introduction"

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direction for reading this draft effectively:

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1. skip section 1

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2. read over section 2

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3. look carefully at section 4 and appnedix A

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4. read over appendix B

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5. rince and repeat

14:56:04 [JibberJim]

sorry!

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CI: Recalls open issue on testClasses and requirements - things you can pass or fail

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JK: CI was right, chaals has the AI

14:57:27 [CarlosI]

http://www.w3.org/2006/02/28-er-minutes

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SAZ: I'll check up, and we need to resolve before last call

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ACTION: on SAZ check up, chase chaals on test case issue

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ACTION: on ALL read the editors draft

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action: everyone read latest EARL draft for next week

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-Johannes

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-Shadi

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rrsagent, drop action 4

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-CarlosI

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-Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

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-Jim_Ley

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WAI_ERTWG()9:00AM has ended

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zakim, bye

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Attendees were Dialer, Shadi, Johannes, CarlosI, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Jim_Ley

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/07/19-er-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/19-er-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: saz & ci work on response for WCL group [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/19-er-irc#T14-40-43

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ACTION: on SAZ check up, chase chaals on test case issue [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/19-er-irc#T14-59-18

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ACTION: on ALL read the editors draft [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/19-er-irc#T14-59-32