IRC log of er on 2006-07-19

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zakim, this will be ERT
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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()9:00AM scheduled to start 48 minutes ago
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meeting: ERT WG
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chair: Shadi
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agenda+ WCL URI matching
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agenda+ Updated EARL 1.0 Schema Editors' Draft
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WAI_ERTWG()9:00AM has now started
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zakim, who is on the call?
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On the phone I see Shadi, ??P15
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zakim, ??p15 is really Johannes
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+Johannes; got it
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "WCL URI matching" taken up [from shadi__]
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scribe: Shadi
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scribenick: shadi
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ci: WCL covers most our requirements, except for the snippets
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...but we dicussed this already
14:10:13 [Zakim]
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ci: the assumption is that all sub-domains are also part of a claim
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...this may be an issue
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ci: it is not clear how sub-domains will be addressed (for example with regexp etc)
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ci: they also define several requirements that are more general than ours
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saz: "snippet" as in part of a web page/resource?
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ci: yes
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saz: this is not a requirement for EARL but more a feedback for WCL?
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jk: no a requirement for pattern matching
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resolution: send feedback to WCL that claims for snippets may be useful to consider
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saz: do they address "delivery units"?
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ci: no, only URI matching
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saz: how mature is this, is this something we should wait for?
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ci: is useful for more compact reports that do not contain all the detail on the relationships between the results
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saz: johannes, any opinions on how useful this is?
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jk: not sure if we should use just that for compacting purposes, but can see a use case and it may be useful
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saz: carlosV?
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cv: content labeling is different from testing
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...they are not getting to the real meat of the problem
14:27:12 [shadi]
...maybe we should submit our comments rather than the other way around
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saz: jim?
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jl: no comments
14:31:20 [shadi]
saz: do we need to add/change something in EARL 1.0 in order to use this, or can we continue developing EARL 1.0?
14:31:25 [shadi] we need to wait?
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cv: don't think we should wait, especially considering our current resources
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jl: don't think we need this stuff, so maybe better develop EARL 1.0 and see how we can use it once it is ready
14:32:53 [JohannesK]
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ci: continue EARL 1.0, and see what we can do with this at a later time
14:33:56 [shadi] should not require radical changes to EARL 1.0
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resolution: continue to monitor the development of the WCL URI matching, and continue to develop EARL 1.0 in parallel
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saz: are they aware of the sub-domain ambiguity issue?
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ci: it is in the requirement to address sub-domains, but they are using RDF-CL which considers all sub-domains to be part of a domain
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...they will need to change RDF-CL accordingly
14:37:22 [CarlosI]
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resolution: send WCL feedback that sub-domains need to be addressed in a non-ambigious way for u to be able to use this work
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action: saz & ci work on response for WCL group
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zakim, close agendum 1
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agendum 1, WCL URI matching, closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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2. Updated EARL 1.0 Schema Editors' Draft [from shadi__]
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "Updated EARL 1.0 Schema Editors' Draft" taken up [from shadi__]
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scribe: Jim
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scribenick: JibberJim
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SAZ: Section 4 on conformance is new, need to look in more detail, it's important: Question Section 3 - should it really be in the guide
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CI: I agree it should be in the guide
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CV: It's in the guide.
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SAZ: Is there anything normative we need to say about extensibility?
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CV: It's RDF
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JK: Something would be good, but mostly in the guide
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SAZ: Maybe something in the intro? to point at the RDF Primer
14:49:30 [JibberJim]
SAZ: I don't think it needs its own section
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JL: Agrees with everything above
14:50:04 [shadi]
resolution: move "extensions" section to EARL 1.0 Guide, and add a line or two about exentsibility in the "introduction"
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direction for reading this draft effectively:
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1. skip section 1
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2. read over section 2
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3. look carefully at section 4 and appnedix A
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4. read over appendix B
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5. rince and repeat
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CI: Recalls open issue on testClasses and requirements - things you can pass or fail
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JK: CI was right, chaals has the AI
14:57:27 [CarlosI]
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SAZ: I'll check up, and we need to resolve before last call
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ACTION: on SAZ check up, chase chaals on test case issue
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ACTION: on ALL read the editors draft
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action: everyone read latest EARL draft for next week
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rrsagent, drop action 4
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WAI_ERTWG()9:00AM has ended
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zakim, bye
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Attendees were Dialer, Shadi, Johannes, CarlosI, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Jim_Ley
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate shadi
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 3 open action items saved in :
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ACTION: saz & ci work on response for WCL group [1]
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ACTION: on SAZ check up, chase chaals on test case issue [2]
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ACTION: on ALL read the editors draft [3]
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