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14:49:45 <ChrisW> zakim, this will be rif
14:49:45 <Zakim> ok, ChrisW; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
14:49:57 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make logs public
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14:57:42 <Donald_Chapin> zakim, mute me
14:57:42 <Zakim> sorry, Donald_Chapin, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
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14:58:58 <igor> zakim, +??P13 is me
14:58:58 <Zakim> sorry, igor, I do not recognize a party named '+??P13'
14:58:58 <Hassan> zakim, mute me
14:59:00 <Zakim> Hassan_Ait-Kaci should now be muted
14:59:12 <igor> zakim, ??P13 is me
14:59:12 <Zakim> +igor; got it
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15:00:13 <FrankMcCabe> zakim, what is the code?
15:00:13 <Zakim> the conference code is 74394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), FrankMcCabe
15:00:13 <igor> zakim, mute me
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15:00:45 <ChrisW> zakim, ??p29 is me
15:00:45 <Zakim> +ChrisW; got it
15:01:01 <Hassan> yes
15:01:03 <igor> +1
15:01:05 <ChrisW> zakim, who is here?
15:01:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Donald_Chapin (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), igor (muted), PaulaP (muted), ChrisW
15:01:08 <Donald_Chapin> =1
15:01:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see AlexKozlenkov, FrankMcCabe, Harold, MarkusK, igor, Hassan, Francois, PaulaP, Donald_Chapin, RRSAgent, Zakim, ChrisW, DavidHirtle, sandro, trackbot, Keep
15:01:21 <Zakim> +??P24
15:01:32 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, ??p24 is me
15:01:32 <Zakim> +AlexKozlenkov; got it
15:01:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:01:35 <Zakim> +David_Hirtle
15:01:36 <Zakim> +??P27
15:01:38 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, mute me
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15:01:40 <FrankMcCabe> zakim, ipcaller is me
15:01:41 <Zakim> +FrankMcCabe; got it
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15:01:48 <Francois> zakim, ??P27 is me.
15:01:51 <Zakim> +Francois; got it
15:01:59 <Francois> zakim, please mute me.
15:01:59 <Zakim> Francois should now be muted
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15:02:27 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, unumte me
15:02:27 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unumte me', AlexKozlenkov
15:02:33 <ChrisW> ack alex
15:02:36 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, unmute me
15:02:36 <Zakim> AlexKozlenkov was not muted, AlexKozlenkov
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15:04:15 <StellaMitchell> zakim, [ibm] is temporarily StellaMitchell
15:04:15 <Zakim> +StellaMitchell; got it
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15:05:04 <johnhall> zakim, IPcaller is me
15:05:04 <Zakim> +johnhall; got it
15:05:08 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Donald_Chapin (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), igor (muted), PaulaP (muted), ChrisW, AlexKozlenkov (muted), FrankMcCabe (muted), David_Hirtle, Francois (muted),
15:05:11 <Zakim> ... StellaMitchell (muted), Leora_Morgenstern (muted), Christian, Dave_Reynolds, johnhall, ??P40
15:05:14 <johnhall> zakim, mute me
15:05:14 <Zakim> johnhall should now be muted
15:05:32 <johnhall> yes
15:05:43 <ChrisW> scribenick: johnhall
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15:06:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:06:29 <Zakim> +Allen_Ginsberg
15:06:33 <Allen> zakim, mute me
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15:07:40 <Zakim> +Gary_Hallmark
15:07:48 <johnhall> August meeting may be cancelled
15:07:52 <johnhall> decidenext week
15:08:02 <johnhall> august 15 meeting
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15:08:15 <ChrisW> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Jul/att-0024/RIFminutes711.html
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15:08:25 <SaidTabet> zakim, ??P28 is me
15:08:25 <Zakim> +SaidTabet; got it
15:08:29 <csma> zakim, christian is me
15:08:29 <Zakim> +csma; got it
15:08:29 <SaidTabet> zakim, mute me
15:08:31 <Zakim> SaidTabet should now be muted
15:08:37 <FrankMcCabe> zakim, unmute me
15:08:37 <Zakim> FrankMcCabe should no longer be muted
15:08:39 <Zakim> +Axel_Polleres
15:08:43 <johnhall> minutes changes requested
15:09:10 <johnhall> Frank - message not received
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15:09:35 <FrankMcCabe> frankmccabe@mac.com
15:09:42 <ChrisW> action: chris to ask sandro to change Frank's email address
15:09:42 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
15:10:11 <johnhall> CW will change Frank email address
15:10:40 <johnhall> postpone minutes acceptance next week
15:10:45 <johnhall> no agenda changes
15:10:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
15:11:11 <johnhall> liaison - SPARQL an open issue
15:11:15 <MichaelKifer> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
15:11:15 <Zakim> +MichaelKifer; got it
15:11:24 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:11:24 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:11:28 <johnhall> csma - action item to resolve
15:12:58 <Donald_Chapin> No
15:13:56 <Harold> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:13:56 <Zakim> +Harold; got it
15:14:07 <johnhall> UC actions
15:14:25 <Harold> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me
15:14:25 <Zakim> sorry, Harold, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller.a]'
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15:14:48 <PaulaP> ok
15:15:12 <ChrisW> action 39 to be postponed until more data on RIFRAF
15:15:44 <ChrisW> action 40 dropped
15:15:57 <AlexKozlenkov> To some extent I am looking into analysing JBoss Rules conditions sublanguage 
15:16:12 <AxelPolleres> still continued, will send mail later today.
15:16:53 <DavidHirtle> here it is:
15:16:54 <DavidHirtle> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/UCR/Document_issues
15:17:34 <DavidHirtle> (that action was perhaps supposed to be on me, not DaveR)
15:18:08 <DavidHirtle> it's done... but there are still problems with IE
15:19:46 <AlexKozlenkov> hold on
15:19:53 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, unmute me
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15:20:57 <johnhall> sorry, this is very fuzzy sound, I can't make it allout
15:21:21 <johnhall> action to announce completed
15:21:35 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, mute me
15:21:35 <Zakim> AlexKozlenkov should now be muted
15:21:37 <johnhall> contact commrule vendors continued
15:21:42 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/UCR/Document_issues
15:22:40 <johnhall> list of issues from FTF or sub on UC tomove to Wiki
15:22:57 <johnhall> csma - determine priorities
15:23:18 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:23:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Donald_Chapin (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), igor (muted), PaulaP (muted), ChrisW, AlexKozlenkov (muted), FrankMcCabe, David_Hirtle, Francois (muted),
15:23:22 <Zakim> ... StellaMitchell (muted), Leora_Morgenstern (muted), csma, Dave_Reynolds, johnhall (muted), JosDeRoo (muted), MarkusK (muted), Allen_Ginsberg (muted), Harold, JeffP,
15:23:25 <Zakim> ... Gary_Hallmark, SaidTabet (muted), Axel_Polleres (muted), MichaelKifer (muted)
15:23:30 <johnhall> ensure that they are all rewal issues
15:24:00 <johnhall> which CSF does XML syntax support
15:24:28 <johnhall> context is - discussed before 2nd working draft
15:24:50 <johnhall> req is to get support links right
15:25:05 <FrankMcCabe> this is already done?
15:25:10 <AlexKozlenkov> ok
15:25:14 <johnhall> CW - if not spoken to means low priority
15:25:20 <DavidHirtle> no, it's not done
15:25:33 <johnhall> 1 is low
15:26:02 <johnhall> 2 was removed from diagram pending discussion
15:26:03 <AlexKozlenkov> could anyone clarify?
15:26:18 <johnhall> AK why was this removed
15:26:19 <AlexKozlenkov> exactly, why?
15:26:36 <ChrisW> ^AK^Frank^
15:27:21 <DavidHirtle> q+
15:27:46 <ChrisW> ack david
15:28:05 <AlexKozlenkov> I think it is a not an unimortant issue
15:28:26 <FrankMcCabe> technically, I think that compliance is highly important for interoperability
15:28:26 <johnhall> compliance model supported interop, but link was removed
15:28:52 <johnhall> 2 low, but easy to resolve
15:28:54 <AlexKozlenkov> let's reinstate it
15:29:37 <johnhall> 3 a 1: Use case 2.2 not convincing
15:30:26 <DaveReynolds> Suggest that all of those under #3 are low priority edit/tweak suggestions
15:30:50 <johnhall> CW - are there any critical - or are all low?
15:31:58 <Donald_Chapin> +Q
15:33:04 <Donald_Chapin> +queue
15:33:13 <ChrisW> try q+
15:33:14 <johnhall> csam - meta-issue, unification, will submit
15:33:20 <AlexKozlenkov> donald, it's "q plus"
15:33:31 <Donald_Chapin> q+
15:33:41 <ChrisW> action csma to describe new issue making use cases more consistent
15:33:56 <Donald_Chapin> zakim, unmute me
15:33:56 <Zakim> Donald_Chapin should no longer be muted
15:33:56 <ChrisW> ack don
15:34:20 <AlexKozlenkov>  
15:35:00 <johnhall> DC items 2, 3, 4b 6 are high priority
15:35:28 <johnhall> DC 5 can be deleted
15:36:55 <johnhall> csma 2 3 require clarification
15:37:25 <johnhall> cw 2 3 and 6 were not well understood
15:37:45 <johnhall> DC who to ask to help focus claification
15:37:59 <johnhall> cw start with email that describes
15:38:33 <johnhall> csam will discuss with DC
15:39:01 <ChrisW> issues are 4.b.2, 4.b.3, 4.b.4.b, and 4.b.6 to be high priority
15:39:09 <AxelPolleres> +1 to csma that external calls are high priority
15:39:13 <ChrisW> 4.b.5 can be dropped
15:39:53 <ChrisW> 4.b.4 is high priority
15:40:41 <johnhall> No other requests
15:41:08 <johnhall> cw - other proposals to drop items are welcome
15:41:18 <DavidHirtle> yes, he is here
15:41:31 <johnhall> MK not present
15:41:44 <johnhall> csma - last time didn't remember action
15:41:49 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
15:41:49 <Zakim> MichaelKifer was not muted, MichaelKifer
15:41:52 <johnhall> CW does anyone
15:42:05 <csma> s/not present/present
15:42:21 <johnhall> will be part of action on semantics of condition language
15:43:15 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, unmute me
15:43:15 <Zakim> Axel_Polleres should no longer be muted
15:43:22 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:43:23 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:43:24 <ChrisW> action 43 replaced by action 65
15:43:45 <johnhall> 61 in progress
15:44:04 <johnhall> will post questionnaire 
15:44:21 <ChrisW> zakim, mute me
15:44:22 <Zakim> ChrisW should now be muted
15:44:56 <ChrisW> ack me
15:46:03 <johnhall> release fo people to look at
15:46:16 <johnhall> then do it for real
15:46:44 <ChrisW> action 66 completed
15:46:54 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, mute me
15:46:57 <Zakim> Axel_Polleres should now be muted
15:47:28 <ChrisW> q?
15:48:23 <johnhall> Sorry, my sound is fuzzy, I can't get this
15:49:05 <ChrisW> paula: it would be good to "split" some requirements into detailed requirements that add discriminators to RIFRAF
15:49:34 <AxelPolleres> q+
15:49:50 <ChrisW> ack ax
15:49:56 <Donald_Chapin> zakim, mute me
15:49:56 <Zakim> Donald_Chapin was already muted, Donald_Chapin
15:50:38 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, mute me
15:50:38 <Zakim> Axel_Polleres should now be muted
15:52:06 <johnhall> cw - people must read PLP email in prep for next week
15:52:30 <Zakim> -SaidTabet
15:55:02 <AlexKozlenkov> I totally agree
15:56:00 <johnhall> cw - discriminators should be about how machines process rules
15:56:12 <AlexKozlenkov> It is a feature of Prova to have, for example, communication actions available in conditions
15:56:25 <AlexKozlenkov> Please, do that Paula
15:56:34 <johnhall> plp can propose some new discriminators
15:56:41 <Hassan> q+
15:56:52 <AlexKozlenkov> Paula, I will be in touch
15:57:00 <PaulaP> ok, thanks
15:57:06 <Hassan> zakim, unmute me
15:57:06 <Zakim> Hassan_Ait-Kaci should no longer be muted
15:57:07 <ChrisW> action: paula to propose new set of discriminators relevant to classes of rules
15:57:07 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
15:57:09 <johnhall> csma - close action and new one to propose new set of discriminators, relevant to classes of rules
15:57:15 <ChrisW> q?
15:57:27 <ChrisW> ack hassan
15:57:49 <johnhall> hassan - problem classifying rule on syntax
15:57:54 <csma> ACTION: paula to propose new set of discriminators relevant to classes of rules
15:57:54 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
15:57:57 <AlexKozlenkov> we need annotations
15:57:59 <ChrisW> action 66 closed
15:58:04 <ChrisW> trackbot, leave
15:58:05 <johnhall> can be interpreted differently
15:58:22 <ChrisW> trackbot, goodbye
15:58:23 <johnhall> csma - lower level discrimintors
15:58:48 <johnhall> hassn - Jrules - seq, normal, analys
15:59:01 <johnhall> cw - action is on paula
15:59:03 <AlexKozlenkov> that is not good, it should be addressed by annotation
15:59:14 <Hassan> q-
15:59:57 <johnhall> Tech design
16:00:01 <AlexKozlenkov> not until next week
16:00:05 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, unmute me
16:00:05 <Zakim> AlexKozlenkov should no longer be muted
16:00:16 <Hassan> zakim, mute me
16:00:16 <Zakim> Hassan_Ait-Kaci should now be muted
16:00:31 <johnhall> 68 Email sent
16:01:17 <johnhall> condition part maps to frame logic
16:01:21 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, mute me
16:01:21 <Zakim> AlexKozlenkov should now be muted
16:01:27 <johnhall> 67 completed
16:01:57 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
16:01:57 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
16:02:26 <johnhall> csma - was email sufficient for MK?
16:02:37 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
16:02:37 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
16:03:19 <johnhall> 64 csma - discussion to extend to cover Horn logic
16:03:31 <ChrisW> Harold, you there?
16:03:36 <johnhall> HB not present
16:03:38 <DavidHirtle> (he was here...)
16:03:39 <Harold> I'm here.
16:03:44 <Harold> Not yet sent.
16:03:52 <PaulaP> continued
16:04:00 <PaulaP> hope to have it this week
16:04:03 <johnhall> 63 continued
16:04:09 <ChrisW> harold, is your action to start an email discussion complete?
16:04:30 <johnhall> 62 continued
16:04:47 <Hassan> zakim, unmute me
16:04:47 <Zakim> Hassan_Ait-Kaci should no longer be muted
16:04:54 <johnhall> 22 continued
16:05:13 <johnhall> 20 continued
16:05:32 <AlexKozlenkov> difficult
16:05:48 <PaulaP> I'll try to have something this week
16:06:00 <johnhall> csma - action be end of week?
16:06:34 <johnhall> 22 no, 20 yes
16:07:28 <Hassan> zakim, unmute me
16:07:28 <Zakim> Hassan_Ait-Kaci was not muted, Hassan
16:07:30 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, mute me
16:07:30 <Zakim> Axel_Polleres should now be muted
16:08:04 <johnhall> 22 - hope for next week
16:08:22 <Hassan> zakim, mute me
16:08:22 <Zakim> Hassan_Ait-Kaci should now be muted
16:08:31 <johnhall> 63 try by end of week
16:08:53 <csma> q?
16:09:05 <csma> +1
16:09:05 <JeffP> +1
16:09:07 <PaulaP> +1
16:09:08 <Hassan> +1
16:09:12 <Francois> +12
16:09:13 <Donald_Chapin> +1
16:09:16 <Francois> quit
16:09:17 <Zakim> -Gary_Hallmark
16:09:17 <Hassan> bye
16:09:17 <AlexKozlenkov> bye
16:09:18 <JeffP> bye
16:09:19 <PaulaP> bye
16:09:19 <Zakim> -MarkusK
16:09:20 <Zakim> -AlexKozlenkov
16:09:22 <Zakim> -igor
16:09:23 <Zakim> -Allen_Ginsberg
16:09:24 <Zakim> -Hassan_Ait-Kaci
16:09:25 <Zakim> -Dave_Reynolds
16:09:26 <Zakim> -StellaMitchell
16:09:27 <Zakim> -johnhall
16:09:28 <Zakim> -David_Hirtle
16:09:29 <Zakim> -PaulaP
16:09:30 <Zakim> -JeffP
16:09:32 <Zakim> -Axel_Polleres
16:09:34 <Zakim> -MichaelKifer
16:09:36 <Zakim> -JosDeRoo
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16:09:37 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes
16:09:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/07/18-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
16:09:38 <Zakim> -Leora_Morgenstern
16:09:40 <Zakim> -Donald_Chapin
16:09:42 <Zakim> -FrankMcCabe
16:09:44 <Zakim> -Harold
16:09:51 <ChrisW> ack johnhall
16:09:57 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:09:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see ChrisW, Francois (muted), csma
16:10:02 <csma> Rrsagent, make minutes public
16:10:02 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', csma.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:10:30 <Zakim> -Francois
16:12:18 <csma> zakim, who is on the call?
16:12:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see ChrisW, csma
16:13:41 <Zakim> -ChrisW
16:13:45 <Zakim> -csma
16:13:46 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
16:13:47 <Zakim> Attendees were Donald_Chapin, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, igor, PaulaP, ChrisW, AlexKozlenkov, David_Hirtle, FrankMcCabe, Francois, Leora_Morgenstern, StellaMitchell, Dave_Reynolds, johnhall,
16:13:50 <Zakim> ... JosDeRoo, MarkusK, Allen_Ginsberg, JeffP, Gary_Hallmark, SaidTabet, csma, Axel_Polleres, MichaelKifer, Harold
16:18:36 <johnhall> I lost my phone connection and can't get back in
16:18:54 <johnhall> my sound was fuzzy for quite a lot of the meeting
16:19:10 <johnhall> I will have to follwo some items up by email
16:19:50 <johnhall> how do I save the mIRC file as a text file so that I can edit it?
16:26:08 <csma> John, the draft minutes are available at the URL above
16:26:33 <johnhall> thanks
16:26:34 <csma> where RRSAgent says "I have made the request to generate http..."
16:26:51 <csma> See it? Can you access the file?
16:28:09 <csma> You can then just download and edit the file (HTML or whatever format you prefer, but, when finished with editing
16:28:40 <csma> ... circulate the minutes in either html or text format - no MS Word or such proprietary formats here :-)
16:29:13 <csma> Bye
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18:28:59 <sandro> rrsagent, pointer?
18:28:59 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2006/07/18-rif-irc#T18-28-59
18:29:08 <sandro> rrsagent, make minutes
18:29:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/07/18-rif-minutes.html sandro
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