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13:58:36 <TonyR> zakim, this will be wsdl
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13:58:36 <Zakim> ok, TonyR; I see WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:01:18 <Zakim> WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM has now started
14:01:22 <Zakim> +??P6
14:01:35 <TonyR> zakim, ??p6 is me
14:01:35 <Zakim> +TonyR; got it
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14:11:18 <TonyR> Arthur: if I am processing a WSDL document and encounter an extension I do not recognise, with wsdl:required=true, is the document invalid?
14:11:47 <TonyR> Tony & Jonathan: yes, it is invalid (in the context)
14:12:26 <TonyR> Arthur: if, on the other hand, it is marked wsdl:required=false, is it valid?
14:12:48 <TonyR> Tony & Jonathan: yes, it is valid (unless otherwise invalid)
14:13:45 <Zakim> +??P19
14:13:56 <TonyR> Arthur: just deciding where to put the test cases
14:14:57 <TonyR> Arthur: might be a good idea to issue a warning when encountering a unrecognised extension (even with required=false)
14:16:00 <TonyR> action item Arthur test cases for message exchanges from a simple WSDL - done
14:22:01 <TonyR> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:22:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see TonyR, Arthur_Ryman, Jonathan_Marsh, ??P19
14:29:43 <Zakim> -??P19
14:30:44 <Zakim> +Canon
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14:32:18 <GlenD> hi Tony!
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14:50:07 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end in 10 minutes; all ports must be freed
14:55:04 <Zakim> This conference is scheduled to end in 5 minutes; all ports must be freed
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14:57:00 <Zakim> WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM has ended
14:57:01 <Zakim> Attendees were TonyR, Arthur_Ryman, Jonathan_Marsh, Canon
14:57:09 <Jonathan> Zakim, this is WS_Desc
14:57:09 <Zakim> "WS_Desc" matches WS_DescWG()11:00AM, and WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM, Jonathan
14:57:44 <TonyR> zakim, this is wsdwg
14:57:44 <Zakim> ok, TonyR; that matches WS_DescWG()11:00AM
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14:58:23 <TonyR> zakim, ??p17 is me
14:58:23 <Zakim> +TonyR; got it
14:58:31 <TonyR> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:58:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jonathan_Marsh, Gilbert_Pilz, TonyR
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15:02:18 <Jonathan> RRSAgent, set log world
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15:03:46 <Roberto> zakim, Roberto_Chinnici is me
15:03:46 <Zakim> +Roberto; got it
15:04:03 <Jonathan> Zakim, ??P4 is Bozhong
15:04:03 <Zakim> +Bozhong; got it
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15:05:45 <Roberto> scribe: Roberto
15:06:05 <Roberto> Jonathan: minutes are approved
15:06:19 <Roberto> Topic: review of action items
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15:08:57 <Allen> zakim, [IPcaller] is Allen
15:08:57 <Zakim> +Allen; got it
15:09:31 <Jonathan> Zakim, ??P39 is Youenn
15:09:31 <Zakim> +Youenn; got it
15:09:48 <Roberto> Topic: administrivia
15:10:18 <Roberto> Jonathan: next telcon July 20th
15:10:38 <Roberto> Jonathan: several people missing on July 27th
15:10:54 <Roberto> Jonathan: not heard back on the SPARQL wsdl bug
15:11:49 <Roberto> Jonathan: sees no reason for adding (d) to the issues list
15:12:10 <Roberto> Jonathan: got query from WS-I BP asking for requiredness of targetNamespace in wsdl 2.0
15:12:28 <Roberto> Jonathan: little traffic on the list on this issue
15:12:50 <Roberto> Arthur: related to code generation, where namespaces are mapped to packages
15:13:39 <Roberto> ... also a good idea to avoid naming conflicts and simplify things
15:13:46 <Roberto> ... WS-I should recommend it
15:14:05 <Roberto> Jacek: namespaces are goodness and WS-I should mandate them
15:14:59 <Roberto> Topic: interop event report
15:15:52 <Roberto> Arthur: very productive event, the test suite got x3 bigger
15:16:03 <Roberto> ... also got better reporting tools
15:16:24 <Roberto> ... need WG members to help fill the gaps in the test suite
15:17:11 <Roberto> Jonathan: test cases for broken assertions a priority
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15:19:54 <Arthur> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/test-suite/assertions-report.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8
15:22:33 <Arthur> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/ws/desc/test-suite/
15:23:36 <Arthur> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/ws/desc/test-suite/test-suite.xml
15:25:32 <Arthur> here's the woden site: http://incubator.apache.org/woden/
15:31:00 <Jonathan> zakim, who's making noise
15:31:00 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's making noise', Jonathan
15:31:03 <Roberto> Jonathan: would like to have a new interop event in late September
15:31:08 <Jonathan> zakim, who's making noise?
15:31:19 <Zakim> Jonathan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Roberto (19%), Jonathan_Marsh (68%), Arthur_Ryman (40%), Gilbert_Pilz (5%)
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15:32:26 <Roberto> Topic: issue CR044
15:34:04 <Roberto> Arthur: "implements" is a common word
15:34:26 <Roberto> TonyR: it's the endpoint that does the implementing, not the binding
15:35:09 <Roberto> Allen: how about "binds"?
15:36:50 <Roberto> Roberto: tried to avoid anything that conveyed a static relationship
15:37:01 <Jonathan> zakim, who's making noise?
15:37:12 <Zakim> Jonathan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Jonathan_Marsh (59%), [DERI] (5%)
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15:37:43 <Jonathan> chad: new poll
15:37:43 <chad> new poll
15:37:53 <Jonathan> chad: question: terminology
15:37:59 <Jonathan> chad: option 1: applies
15:38:05 <Jonathan> chad: option 2: implements
15:38:11 <Jonathan> chad: option 3: binds
15:38:23 <Jonathan> Chad: option 1: is applied to
15:38:51 <Jonathan> chad: option 4: qualifies
15:39:50 <Jonathan> chad: question?
15:40:00 <Jonathan> chad: options?
15:40:32 <JacekK> vote: 1, 3
15:40:42 <Allen> vote: 3,1
15:40:45 <Arthur> vote: 3, 2, 1
15:40:47 <TonyR> vote: 4, 3, 1
15:41:01 <Gil> vote 4,3,1
15:41:07 <Jonathan> vote: 1, 2, 4, 3
15:41:16 <Gil> vote: 4,3,1
15:41:19 <youenn> vote: 1,2,3,4
15:41:26 <Roberto> vote: 1, 4, 2, 3
15:41:57 <Jonathan> chad, count
15:41:57 <chad> Question: terminology
15:41:57 <chad>     Option 1: is applied to (4)
15:41:57 <chad>     Option 2: implements (0)
15:41:57 <chad>     Option 3: binds (2)
15:41:57 <chad>     Option 4: qualifies (2)
15:41:58 <chad> 8 voters: Allen (3,1),Arthur (3,2,1),Gil (4,3,1),JacekK (1,3),Jonathan (1,2,4,3),Roberto (1,4,2,3),TonyR (4,3,1),youenn (1,2,3,4)
15:42:01 <chad> Round  1: Count of first place rankings.
15:42:03 <chad> Round  2: First elimination round.
15:42:05 <chad>           Eliminating candidadates without any votes.
15:42:07 <chad>           Eliminating candidate 2.
15:42:09 <chad> Round  3: Tie when choosing candidate to eliminate.
15:42:11 <chad>           Tie at round 2 between 3, 4.
15:42:13 <chad>           Tie at round 1 between 3, 4.
15:42:15 <chad>           Tie broken randomly.
15:42:17 <chad>           Eliminating candidate 4.
15:42:19 <chad> Round  4: Tie when choosing candidate to eliminate.
15:42:21 <chad>           Tie at round 3 between 1, 3.
15:42:23 <chad>           Candidate 3 has the fewest votes at round 2.
15:42:25 <chad>           Eliminating candidate 3.
15:42:27 <chad>           Candidate 1 is elected.
15:42:29 <chad> Winner is option 1 - is applied to
15:42:39 <Roberto> Jonathan: option 1 wins
15:43:40 <Roberto> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2006Jul/0057.html
15:45:16 <Roberto> jacek: wants to avoid interpreting these properties as component properties
15:45:39 <Roberto> ... the proposed text doesn't do that
15:47:09 <Roberto> ... describing his proposal (.7)
15:52:20 <Roberto> ACTION: Roberto to produce an updated proposal for CR044
15:52:57 <Jonathan> Topic: CR070
15:53:58 <Roberto> Roberto: that was the intent of the spec
15:54:00 <Zakim> -Gilbert_Pilz
15:54:11 <Roberto> Jonathan: no objections to approving the proposal
15:54:31 <Roberto> RESOLUTION: proposed solution to cr070 accepted
15:54:41 <Roberto> Topic: CR071
15:55:53 <Jonathan> zakim, who's making noise?
15:55:56 <Zakim> +Gilbert_Pilz
15:56:03 <Zakim> Jonathan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Roberto (24%), Jonathan_Marsh (30%), Arthur_Ryman (10%), Allen (4%)
15:56:05 <Roberto> Roberto: proposes to close with no action
15:58:37 <Zakim> -Allen
16:00:24 <Roberto> RESOLUTION: closed with no change to the spec
16:00:27 <Roberto> Topic: CR072
16:03:02 <Roberto> Jonathan: first part of the message is CR055
16:03:38 <Roberto> Arthur: the property won't be present unless the extension is known
16:03:54 <Roberto> Jonathan: so this issue seems to be a duplicate of CR050
16:05:13 <Roberto> Jonathan: last part of the issue is a typo
16:05:17 <Roberto> Arthur: it's already fixed
16:05:58 <Roberto> RESOLUTION: close CR072 as duplicate
16:06:05 <Roberto> Topic: CR074
16:07:04 <Roberto> Arthur: the rule was that we wouldn't duplicate constraints already enforced by the (normative) schema
16:07:47 <Roberto> ... we could also leave them in and add them to a special "enforced" class
16:08:18 <Roberto> Roberto: prefers consistency
16:08:24 <Roberto> TonyR: +1
16:09:03 <Roberto> Jacek: Remove "MUST"
16:10:44 <Roberto> Arthur: if you are constructing a component model without a document, there are many more constraints you risk violating
16:11:14 <Roberto> Jonathan: minimal change is to remove the assertion markup as change "MUST" to "is"
16:11:59 <Roberto> (actually, "MUST be" to "is")
16:13:42 <Roberto> RESOLUTION: close CR074 and fix those assertions by removing the assertion markup and changing "MUST be" to "is"
16:14:46 <Roberto> Topic: CR073
16:15:14 <Roberto> Arthur: proposal is to split sentences so that each MUST is its own assertion
16:16:01 <Roberto> Jonathan: #1 is a small grammatical change (adding some commas)
16:16:20 <Roberto> s/grammatical/punctuation/
16:16:42 <Roberto> Jonathan: #1 accepted
16:16:58 <Roberto> Jonathan: #2 is a single sentence with two MUST and MUST NOT but one assertion
16:17:29 <Roberto> Jonathan: #2, #3 accepted
16:20:00 <Roberto> Jonathan: for #4 the proposal is to split the first sentence in two and drop the last one
16:20:05 <Roberto> Jonathan: #4 approved
16:20:17 <Roberto> Jonathan: #5 is simply splitting in two
16:20:22 <Roberto> Jonathan: #5 approved
16:21:08 <Roberto> RESOLUTION: close CR073, accept all changes and additionally split the first sentence in item #4 of the proposal
16:21:15 <Roberto> Topic: CR075
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16:21:50 <Roberto> Jonathan: #1 proposal is changing the assertion markup
16:23:23 <Roberto> Arthur: make "MAY" into a "may"
16:23:31 <Roberto> ... and add "Note that" at the beginning
16:25:12 <Roberto> Jonathan: #1 adopted with Arthur's amendment
16:25:53 <Roberto> Jonathan: #2 is rewording the part with "MAY" and make the other sentence a separate assertion
16:26:39 <Roberto> Jonathan: #2 approved
16:28:52 <Roberto> Roberto: last bullet point in 4.2 has two assertions too
16:29:26 <Roberto> Jonathan: we could insert "furthermore" before the "MUST NOT" and mark it up as two assertions
16:31:26 <Roberto> RESOLUTION: close CR075, approve the suggestions with Arthur's amendment, have the editors also fix the last bullet in 4.2
16:33:09 <Zakim> -Amelia_Lewis
16:33:10 <Zakim> -Arthur_Ryman
16:33:10 <Zakim> -Youenn
16:33:11 <Zakim> -Roberto
16:33:13 <Zakim> -[DERI]
16:33:15 <Zakim> -Gilbert_Pilz
16:33:18 <Zakim> -Jonathan_Marsh
16:33:19 <Zakim> -TonyR
16:33:20 <Jonathan> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:33:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/07/13-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
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16:37:35 <Jonathan> zakim, bye
16:37:35 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Jonathan_Marsh, Gilbert_Pilz, TonyR, Amelia_Lewis, Arthur_Ryman, Roberto, Bozhong, [DERI], Allen, Youenn
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16:37:51 <Jonathan> Meeting: WS Description telcon
16:37:57 <Jonathan> Chair: Jonathan
16:38:11 <Jonathan> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:38:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/07/13-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
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