08:17:24 RRSAgent has joined #mmsem 08:17:25 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-irc 08:17:54 zakim, who is on the phone? 08:17:54 sorry, JeffP, I don't know what conference this is 08:17:56 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, JeffP, pasquale, Massimo 08:19:41 this will be mmsem First F2F 08:20:00 what conference is this? 08:20:10 jacco2 has joined #mmsem 08:20:13 zakim, this will be mmsem First F2F 08:20:13 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, JeffP 08:21:25 raphael has joined #mmsem 08:22:22 zakim, list conferences 08:22:22 I see INC_MMSEM(F2F)3:00AM active and no others scheduled near this time 08:22:50 zakim, this is INC_MMSEM(F2F) 08:22:50 ok, jacco2; that matches INC_MMSEM(F2F)3:00AM 08:23:02 yannis has joined #mmsem 08:24:00 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Jul/0009.html 08:24:32 Chair: raphael 08:24:41 Scribe: jacco2 08:25:27 zakim, who is here? 08:25:27 On the phone I see Jeff_Pan, ??P1 08:25:28 On IRC I see yannis, raphael, jacco2, RRSAgent, Zakim, JeffP, pasquale, Massimo 08:25:37 zakim, ??P1 is CWI 08:25:37 +CWI; got it 08:26:04 zakim, CWI is meeting_room 08:26:04 +meeting_room; got it 08:28:47 people on IRC: you can connect by phone too! 08:29:01 See phone number in the agenda 08:29:11 sorry, for now i can only irc 08:29:19 Chair opens the meeting and welcomes all participants 08:29:54 start with role call 08:30:36 Yioannis, athens, greece 08:30:46 , feature extraction 08:30:46 I cannot hear very good 08:31:26 Vassilis, ITI, Greece, research interest SemWeb technologies and mm annotation 08:32:01 Giovanni, DBin project, DBin is p2p metadata exchange 08:32:36 Christioan, PhD student, also from Ancona 08:32:52 s/Christioan/Christian 08:33:26 Thomas, Koblenz, also in k-space and aceMedia - mediator role 08:34:02 thierry, DFKI, aslo in k-space. Member of ISO group on language resources 08:34:28 George, CWI, PhD student, also in k-space 08:34:47 Lynda, CWI, k-space 08:35:24 Jacco, CWI, Semantic Media Interfaces 08:35:50 Jeff Pann, chair of XG, semantic web languages, reasoning 08:36:42 Officially, we now have 21 members 08:37:05 s/Pann/Pan 08:37:24 Vassilis of NTUA is AC Rep for k-space members 08:37:47 Giovanni, membership is pending via Italian W3C office 08:38:22 We also have Suzanne Boll as an invited expert 08:38:29 anadioti has joined #mmsem 08:38:42 s/Suzanne/Susanne 08:39:08 +Yannis 08:39:10 VassilisTzouv has joined #mmsem 08:39:47 hi Vassilis, do you plan to join on the phone ? 08:39:50 Hello all 08:40:01 Hi Vassilis 08:40:03 Yes I will join on the phone 08:40:04 rtroncy has joined #mmsem 08:41:05 thristo has joined #mmsem 08:41:48 Vassilis and Yiannis connect by phone & IRC, have send slides which will be presented later 08:42:04 Thomas has joined #mmsem 08:42:29 zakim, who is here 08:42:29 jacco2, you need to end that query with '?' 08:42:35 -Yannis 08:42:41 zakim, who is here? 08:42:41 On the phone I see Jeff_Pan, meeting_room 08:42:42 On IRC I see Thomas, thristo, raphael, VassilisTzouv, anadioti, yannis, jacco2, RRSAgent, Zakim, JeffP, pasquale, Massimo 08:42:56 lynda has joined #mmsem 08:43:33 jacco has joined #mmsem 08:43:59 Chair introduces W3C processes 08:44:41 Explains about zakim and RRSagent: all members, please lookup the short explanations on the W3C website 08:45:09 topic: W3C process 101 08:45:56 each member will be asked to scribe 08:46:32 we will have bi-weekly teleconf, which will be announced on the web page and mailing list 08:46:46 public minutes will be published 08:46:57 http://www.w3.org/2005/Talks/1130-sb-w3c-ac-mangrpt/Overview.html#(15) 08:47:01 Chair explains goal of the W3C incubators. 08:47:36 Incubator Activity: http://www.w3.org/2005/Talks/1130-sb-w3c-ac-mangrpt/Overview.html#(15) 08:47:52 Raphael shows slides of Steve 08:49:12 Important: XGs are light-weight, and will finish within one year 08:49:47 Goal is to publish technical report with advice to W3C about potential Recommendation track followup 08:50:22 We are the second XG within W3C 08:51:07 q+ 08:51:29 cgi-irc has joined #mmsem 08:52:18 jeff: xg is new way to prepare a new activity, with much better infrastructure as before 08:53:19 IoannisPratikakis has joined #mmsem 08:53:26 jeff: OWL was based on member submission on DAML+OIL, but it took still 2 years to get the OWL REC out, which is not that much difference 08:53:53 With the XG we have a better infrastructure to do the ground work of the preparation 08:54:37 So later during this F2F we should discuss if we want to try to setup a Working Group 08:54:56 ... after the charter of the XG ends 08:55:53 Raphael: the Content Labeling XG was the first XG, labeling content for parental guidance etc 08:56:30 We plan to work closely with this XG, invite all members to follow the work of this XG 08:57:23 This XG is the second XG, last week the 3rd XG started on "GEO", geo-tagging etc 08:57:29 Topic: 1. Charter Overview / Objectives 08:57:34 Raphael shows charter 08:58:14 Explain history of the MM taskforce of the SWBPD group 08:58:58 Goal 1 of this XG: show how semweb can be used to achieve mm metadata interoperability 08:59:16 Non-goal: create new MM metadata standards 08:59:53 Goal 2: show added value of formal semantics by describing practical applications and examples 09:00:15 Goal 3: provide best practices based on the above 09:00:54 Open questions: the modalities do we address, what standards, etc 09:00:58 + +1.646.722.aaaa 09:01:41 zakim, +1.646.722.aaaa is massimo 09:01:41 +massimo; got it 09:02:36 Intro of Massimo: I'm from CNR Pisa, multimedia understanding, Semantic Web and XML-based languages 09:04:46 Yioannis:W3C lives too much in its own world, need to talk to other bodies more. In addition, related standards like mpeg-7 have not yet finished. So we need to communicate to these bodies 09:04:56 So how will this happen? 09:05:16 giovannit has joined #mmsem 09:05:36 Raphael: I agree, best way is to have representatives from these other bodies in this XG as a member or invited expert 09:05:56 But I do not know who could best represent the MPEG-7 community 09:06:08 Yioannis: we could recommend a view names 09:06:26 -massimo 09:07:43 Yionannis: I think interoperability is the key issue, we would focus on automatic annotation 09:07:55 Can people say their names before they speak please? 09:08:21 +massimo 09:09:54 Vassilis (ITI): I agree with previous speaker. Not only focus on the RDF-level, also OWL, Rules or extensions. 09:10:03 q+ 09:10:23 Modalities: we could start with images and then try to extend later 09:11:03 jeff: agrees with Vassilis 09:11:44 -massimo 09:11:46 Jeff: ... and OWL and rules are also considered in the charter explicitly 09:11:47 Raphael: MMTF of the SWBPD only did images, maybe do this again is not a good idea 09:13:01 Giovanni: Wnats to stress the importance of real use cases, not focus on theory & formalisation side 09:13:10 s/Wnats/Wants 09:14:29 Giovanni: I've tried the music-oriented sites, often felt lost. We could find good use cases in this area. Content-based identification is important, once we have a URI there is a lot we can do 09:15:00 What do we identify? Melody, wave signal, midi or mp3 file, etc 09:16:28 Raphael: what is CDDB using? Giovanni: its based on a fingerprint of the recording, not very robust on for example other versions of the same track on a different album etc 09:16:41 +massimo 09:17:58 action: Giovanni to coordinate write up of a use case on music 09:18:55 Christian: Agree with Giovanni, real use case in a distributed may also need to address right management 09:20:00 Giovanni: not everybody want all metadatato be open and free 09:21:16 Raphael: Does the group care about rights management? 09:23:08 Yionnis: addressing MPEG-21 is also part of the interoperability issue. Doing music means we expand from images to audio? 09:24:39 Thomas: different use cases with different modalities 09:25:26 SemWeb could be a good opportunity to also show high-level metadata intergrating multiple modalities. 09:26:03 For example, using flickr annotations and than connecting it using semweb technology could be a good basis for a suse case 09:26:03 -massimo 09:26:15 s/suse/use 09:26:49 Flickr is agood example to show how easy things can be 09:27:08 s/agood/a good 09:28:28 Thomas: our group is interested in combining modalities, like image + audio 09:29:51 Thierry: I'm not a specialist on multimedia. Analysis of lyrics or speach transcripts could be used for this use case 09:30:25 rrsagent, pointer 09:30:25 See http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-irc#T09-30-25 09:30:57 rrsagent, make logs public 09:31:50 Thierry: we could also look at other projects for good use cases 09:32:30 A use case from, for example, the MESH project, could be on news. 09:33:02 Giovanni: MUSCLE is working on music use cases 09:33:23 AXMEDIS is a big player in this 09:33:41 Massimo, could you say something on MUSCLE 09:33:44 ? 09:33:45 http://www.axmedis.org/ 09:35:18 within the MPEG-7 standard actually using the description schemes is really difficult 09:36:22 action: thierry to write up limitations of MPEG-7 description schemes 09:36:49 George: also wants to focus on real use cases, like the tagging example mentioned by Thomas 09:37:04 in MUSCLE we are developing an infrastructure to manage multimedia metadata (images, audio, video). We started using the MPEG-7 standard. 09:37:26 shall we have a use case for tagging? 09:37:27 Massimo, do you have concrete use cases written in MUSCLE ? 09:37:36 About MUSIC ? 09:37:50 VassilisTzouv has joined #mmsem 09:37:52 george: blogging could be another use case, with different modalities 09:37:59 I think we should remember the use cases of the Semantic Web: eg: catalogs of personal photos, 09:38:25 systems able to recognize persons' faces 09:38:42 george: DRM: I can see the concern, but it is a hard issue that will not be solved by this group 09:39:08 and then a thing we haven't still seen that is about processed needed to obtain multimedia objects 09:39:42 giovannni: need to align social/human tagging with formal/machine tagging 09:40:44 Raphael: was a workshop on this topic at WWW conference, this community starts to pick this up. 09:41:07 jacco: images too limited, so include other modalities 09:41:21 bridge gap between formal ontologies and tagging 09:42:08 about music thinking of the semweb use case the personal catalog and the catalog of groups (sorry i can't hear i don't want to break who is talking) 09:43:02 action: george to write up a use case around tagging 09:45:00 raphael: summary: focus on practical use cases like music combined with lyrics analysis and lower level feature extraction, use case on social tagging and semantic web 09:46:05 Yioannis: our features are not limited to the ones defined by MPEG-7 09:48:03 Giovanni: when you use additional features, there is no incentive to go through all the pain of a standardized serialization, becuase there is no aother tool which can read it anyway 09:49:21 Giovanni: this is related to the fact that MPEG-7 semantics is described in informal English only, not machine readable version. 09:49:36 SemWeb approach could help here 09:50:37 jacco: well not really english only , there is structuring among the decriptors, but the meaning of each one is then in english 09:51:32 Yioannis:mpeg-7 is discussing support transformation matrices to transform labels 09:52:05 +Nikolaos_Simou 09:52:27 Nikolaos_Simou is Vassilis 09:52:46 -Nikolaos_Simou 09:52:54 Vasilis: want to raise the question if we are interested in ontologicalization of low level features? 09:53:25 +Nikolaos_Simou 09:53:40 Nikolaos_Simou is Vassilis 09:53:49 zakim, Nikolaos_Simou is Vassilis 09:53:49 +Vassilis; got it 09:54:41 Raphael: for what do you need a semantic interpretation of the low level descriptors? 09:55:36 yioannis: we need both numeric and symbolic features in various levels 09:57:32 action: Yioanis to write up use case showing the need for semantic interpretation of low level features 09:59:14 yioannis: in the "fused" model all modalities are used to improve the automatic annotation 09:59:51 action: Raphael to write up use case in the news domain 10:01:26 IPTC standardizes NewsML, now doing version 2 of NewsML 10:01:48 CWI works with IPTC in the context of K-Space 10:02:35 NewsML will likely be in the spirit of RDF, but based on an XML syntax 10:03:12 A representative of IPTC is expected to join the XG in the near future 10:05:36 Raphael: there are different sources of metadata: from the camera, from the photographer's (manual) annotation tool, news agency will add more metadata, etc 10:07:26 jacco has changed the topic to: W3C Multimedia Semantics Incubator Group: First Face to face meeting, CWI, Amsterdam 10:07:35 (trying not to break the conversation..) i think we have to remember two more things about use cases: (1) the "Image annotation on the Semantic Web" note (http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/MM/image_annotation_galway.html), Jacco is one of the editors and (2) Algorithms (processed) to obtain multimedia objects 10:08:24 URL of last version of the note is at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/MM/image_annotation.html 10:08:38 (...processeS /) 10:09:16 Giovanni: we could think about form interfaces generated by local event ontologies 10:10:26 massimo, what do you mean with 'obtain multimedia objects'? Object tracking & recognition? 10:11:12 i think there could be systems able to reconstruct multimedia objects 10:11:18 Raphael: should we provide some demo web service for mm annotation? 10:12:06 a set of steps to re-obtain an object 10:12:44 Giovanni:, yes, if we can pinpoint to a basic feature like identification, that crosses all use cases 10:13:06 thinking of images for example if an image is obtained after having applied some algorithms then we can repeat the same steps to do it again 10:13:27 rellero_ has joined #mmsem 10:13:36 Maybe there will be an XG on identification as a followup of the Workshop at WWW2006 on this topic 10:14:33 Raphael: Repeats things said by Massimo on IRC. 10:14:59 Notes that the "Image annotation on the Semantic Web" will be discussed by Jacco in the afternoon 10:15:53 Vasilis: I think massimo refers to the process of analyzing the content automatically 10:15:57 ? 10:16:21 to analyze and to reproduce the content 10:16:46 For example: To recognize this feature, you should apply this process 10:17:41 Massimo, can you explain about "reproduce the content" 10:17:45 ? 10:18:04 Is this a topic on Muscle? 10:18:15 s/on/in 10:18:20 yes in Muscle and in the ace Media 10:18:59 (the call for a common multimedia ontology( 10:19:14 Thierry: Raphael, what is the role of low level features in your NewsML scenario? 10:19:35 Raphael: Currently none... 10:20:13 Massimo, could you write up something about the need for being able to reproducing the content? Could I give you an action point? 10:20:51 ok, i'm writing it give me some minutes 10:21:13 there is no need to hurry :-) 10:21:23 :-) 10:21:34 Massimo, for the record, could you send to the public list please? 10:21:57 action: Massimo to write up use case on analysis and reproducing content 10:21:57 ok 10:22:08 thanks 10:23:25 Raphael: Mentioned that this XG will focus on metadata interoperability, where k-space is doing work on combining low level features 10:23:43 q+ 10:24:41 ack me 10:24:43 Vassilis: are we considering cross modality interoperability? 10:25:03 Raphael: yes, we discussed this in the beginning of the meeting 10:26:11 Vassilis: I'm not sure this is in scope for the 1st deliverable? 10:26:44 Raphael: We have not decided about what documents and deliverables we will produce 10:27:48 Vassilis: if it still on the metadata level, it is ok 10:28:11 ack VassilisTzouv 10:29:40 Raphael: summary of morning session: people have shown interest on practical use cases on different modalities and domains, 6 action points to write up use cases 10:30:13 Raphael: use cases will also look at the way RDF, OWL, rules etc will be used to solve the use case problem 10:31:20 Noe first lunch, after lunch we well have time for some demonstrations, after coffee break more discussion about the deliverables of the XG 10:31:28 s/Noe/Now 10:32:25 -Vassilis 10:32:26 -Jeff_Pan 10:32:28 -meeting_room 10:32:29 INC_MMSEM(F2F)3:00AM has ended 10:32:30 Attendees were Jeff_Pan, meeting_room, Yannis, massimo, Vassilis 10:32:36 Lunch break! 10:32:54 rrsagent, pointer? 10:32:54 See http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-irc#T10-32-54 10:34:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 10:34:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html jacco 10:36:21 Meeting: MMSEM XG First Face to face meeting in Amsterdam 10:36:32 rrsagent, draft minutes 10:36:32 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html jacco 10:38:56 zakim, list conferences 10:38:56 I see no active conferences 10:38:57 scheduled at this time is INC_MMSEM(F2F)3:00AM 10:39:19 zakim, this is INC_MMSEM(F2F)3:00AM 10:39:19 jacco, I see INC_MMSEM(F2F)3:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be INC_MMSEM(F2F)3:00AM". 10:39:29 zakim, this will be INC_MMSEM(F2F)3:00AM 10:39:29 ok, jacco; I see INC_MMSEM(F2F)3:00AM scheduled to start 219 minutes ago 11:37:05 IoannisPratikakis has joined #mmsem 11:41:59 zakim, who is here? 11:41:59 apparently INC_MMSEM(F2F)3:00AM has ended, raphael 11:42:01 On IRC I see IoannisPratikakis, VassilisTzouv, giovannit, lynda, Thomas, raphael, RRSAgent, Zakim, JeffP, pasquale, Massimo 11:55:43 jacco has joined #mmsem 11:56:18 zakim, this will be INC_MMSEM(F2F)3:00AM 11:56:18 ok, jacco; I see INC_MMSEM(F2F)3:00AM scheduled to start 296 minutes ago 11:57:00 Topic: MMSEM Background and Demonstrations 11:57:35 zakim, propse scribe 11:57:35 I don't understand 'propse scribe', jacco 11:57:40 zakim, propose scribe 11:57:40 I don't understand 'propose scribe', jacco 11:57:49 INC_MMSEM(F2F)3:00AM has now started 11:57:50 zakim, pick scribe 11:57:50 I don't understand 'pick scribe', jacco 11:57:56 +??P0 11:59:58 zakim, pick a scribe 11:59:58 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ??P0 12:00:02 zakim, pick a scribe 12:00:02 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ??P0 12:00:04 zakim, pick a scribe 12:00:04 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ??P0 12:00:27 +Jeff_Pan 12:00:34 ??P0 is meeting_room 12:00:40 zakim, pick a scrib 12:00:40 I don't understand 'pick a scrib', jacco 12:00:43 zakim, ??P0 is meeting_room 12:00:43 +meeting_room; got it 12:01:30 anadioti has joined #mmsem 12:02:39 IoannisPratikakis has joined #mmsem 12:02:59 thristo has joined #mmsem 12:03:04 jeff: fine with me to start again 12:03:08 scribe: Giovanni 12:03:11 (practicing the scribing..) 12:03:22 scribenick: giovannit 12:03:25 i'll attempt my best (-: 12:04:05 raphael : 10 minute per person presentation 12:04:28 Are the slides available online? 12:04:49 jeff, we will make the slides available asap 12:04:53 thanks! 12:06:35 +Vassilis 12:06:53 Jacco show demo at http://e-culture.multimedian.nl/demo/search 12:07:54 ecoluter applications: converted metadata of a few musiums into rdf and seen how far we get without doing heavy weight alightment 12:11:04 All the slides shwon will be at: http://homepages.cwi.nl/~troncy/tmp/W3C/ 12:12:26 s/musiums/museums 12:12:56 s/alightment/alignment 12:29:08 http://homepages.cwi.nl/~troncy/tmp/W3C/BOEMIE_MMSEM_100706.ppt 12:29:37 jaccos'd demo shows a full text search which works recursively on the rdf graph 12:30:11 basically resources are collected starting from those which have a literal attached matching the query, a number of euristics and settings enable meaningful rating and limiting of the end result 12:31:05 the whole structure works also fine when generic dataset is loaded, providing an ontology based navigations of the instances and visualization of related metadata. Cool ajax makes it apparently very responsive 12:31:11 cgi-irc has joined #mmsem 12:31:53 the work is powered by swi prolog. Jacco says they tried doing this in sparql but the expressivity is really not sufficient for the needs of the algorithms used here. 12:32:37 Ioannis presenting now 12:33:56 presentation introduces ellogon http://www.ellogon.org a general purpose language engineering platform 12:36:35 CIL: a computational intelligence laboratory, applications are shown in the area of OCR , shape based retrieval, human tracking 12:36:52 cgi-irc has joined #mmsem 12:37:28 violence detection 12:37:42 now presenting the BOEMIE project 12:41:17 low level methodologies are improoving but high level annotation extraction is still difficult, the use of ontologies to drive the information extraction process seem very interesting 12:46:08 BOEMIE is, and other slides will be, published at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/meetings/f2f-amsterdam/ 12:49:24 Among the aspects involved in this projects are semantically annotated maps, evolving ontologies and fusion of different aspects of multimedia metadata 12:49:35 s/projects/project 12:52:13 a use case/query is presented merging all the aspects covered by the project. 12:56:05 raphael: there are other EU proejcts which have similar goals ,what ar ethe differences? 12:56:56 ioannis: BOEMIE is concerned with multimodal metadata , to the best of my knowledge there is not much overlap with the other projects 12:58:43 question: at which level is the fusion actually going to happen 12:59:14 ioannis: the fusion is going to be supported by reasoning. Mid level concepts will be constructed and reasoning mechanism will take the decisions about the high level concepts 13:01:33 yannis has joined #mmsem 13:01:59 ioannis: another novel concept is that the semantic extraction is knowledge driven, using an ontology 13:03:33 vassalis presenting 13:03:54 s/vassalis/vassilis 13:05:05 toward a common multimedia ontology framework: initiative started a few months ago , a framework for collecting existing metadata knowledge reppresentation , an approach for harmonization.. 13:05:48 http://www.acemedia.org/aceMedia/reference/Multimedia_ontology/index.html 13:08:52 In the first phase of this initiative, a number of requirements were collected 13:10:24 reasoning support needs rules and DL based methoodologies but also uncertainty and fuzzyness 13:11:16 modularization is agreed to be an important feature. Smaller ontologies which are reusable, specific and interoperable 13:13:51 rellero_ has joined #mmsem 13:15:31 there is the need of a upper ontology "merging" or "harmonization". In general some practical way for interoperability since people are using different ones. 13:17:10 a semi automatic image annotation tool is shown. Automatic image segmentation helps a human operator to associate ontology labels (shown as a tree) 13:23:22 q+ 13:24:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:24:45 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html jacco 13:25:26 ack jeffp 13:26:00 q? 13:28:18 about the possible use case on algorithms.. 13:28:29 Currently we have sets of tools to extract features from multimedia objects: 13:28:29 a set of rules can be defined able to establish which tools could be 13:28:29 combined and how (e.g. put in a pipeline). 13:28:29 Considering for example image understanding problems (e.g. segmentation, 13:28:29 analysis, ...), 13:28:37 a thesaurus containing related concepts and algorithm could be thought of. 13:28:37 It would important to represent features on how metadata could be 13:28:37 extracted so that it could be used at a higher level 13:28:37 for images and multimedia information handling in general. 13:28:39 Another important feature would be to take trace of how a specific 13:28:40 result has been obtained starting from a particular input. 13:28:58 A specific case of image elaboration: 13:28:58 it is necessary to apply to the image a series of algorithms to 13:28:58 calculate a property (region shapes, color distribution) 13:28:58 The chain of algorithms defines a procedure that resolve the given problem. 13:29:04 It would be interesting to 'store' the procedure - as an ordered set of 13:29:05 algorithms - to add 'knowledge' 13:29:05 to a system for interpretation and analysis. 13:29:10 Once stored this procedure the knowledge increases and another problem 13:29:10 could be resolved applying the procedures already inserted. 13:29:10 Finally, this knowledge could be codified using an ontology that merges 13:29:10 procedures and problems. 13:29:57 Giovanni: what about a formal cooperation between this XG and the requirements work started by aceMedia 13:30:03 ? 13:30:37 Raphael: yes, we will. Yiannis will become a member. 13:35:02 Vassilis of NTUA presenting slides at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/meetings/f2f-amsterdam/IVML.profile.2006.06.ppt via the telephone 13:36:22 Yiannis presenting slides at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/meetings/f2f-amsterdam/IVML.background.2006.06.ppt 13:38:06 iannis speaking (NTUA) analisys of image and video content for automatic annotaion. A tool is shown for automatic segmentation, and manual region merging 13:38:39 s/iannis/Yannis 13:40:02 s/Yiannis/Yannis 13:40:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:40:42 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/07/10-mmsem-minutes.html jacco 13:44:16 chalaschek has joined #MMSEM 13:45:10 me: hi Chris 13:45:59 Hi chris 13:46:30 Hi guys...time difference is quite difficult for me :( 13:46:41 Hi Chris 13:46:42 hi Chris, welcome and thx for joining 13:47:04 what time is now in maryland? 13:47:12 9:45am 13:47:49 Are you guys on break now? 13:48:04 Show coffee break, start again in 5 minutes with Thomas presentation and DBin 13:49:43 +[UMD] 13:52:35 rellero__ has joined #mmsem 13:53:24 rellero__ has joined #mmsem 13:56:04 zakim, [UMD] is Chris Chalaschek 13:56:04 I don't understand '[UMD] is Chris Chalaschek', jacco 13:56:24 zakim, '[UMD]' is Chris Chalaschek 13:56:24 I don't understand ''[UMD]' is Chris Chalaschek', jacco 13:56:37 zakim, [UMD] is Chalaschek 13:56:37 +Chalaschek; got it 13:58:50