IRC log of ws-desc on 2006-07-06

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RRSAgent, set log world

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ACTION: Lawrence - violate operation style assertions

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q+

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ACTION: Youenn - define documents for stub generation

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ACTION: Jonathan - create validation-report stylesheet

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ACTION: John - resolve Woden component model interchange

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format errors

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ACTION: Arthur - add xpaths for soap and http to document coverage report

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ACTION: Philippe - violate http binding assertions

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ACTION: Chathura - will do interop tests with Youenn and Lawrence

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oneway EPR http://127.0.0.1:8080/axis2/services/pingService

14:05:21 [lmandel_]

http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl20/wsdl20-adjuncts.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#styles

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http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl20/wsdl20-adjuncts.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#RPCStyle-5016-summary

14:06:14 [lmandel_]

http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl20/wsdl20-adjuncts.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#RPCStyle-5018-summary

14:06:28 [lmandel_]

http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl20/wsdl20-adjuncts.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#RPCStyle-5014-summary

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ping epr is: http://lawrence.dyndns.ws:8090/wss/ping

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echo axis epr is: http://lawrence.dyndns.ws:8090/wss/echoAxis2

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http://127.0.0.1:8080/axis2/services/Axis2SampleDocLitService

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14:58:01 [TonyR]

zakim, what is the code?

14:58:04 [Zakim]

sorry, TonyR, I don't know what conference this is

14:58:15 [pauld]

zakim, this will be ws_desc

14:58:15 [Zakim]

ok, pauld, I see WS_DescWG()11:00AM already started

14:58:25 [TonyR]

zakim, what is the code?

14:58:25 [Zakim]

the conference code is 97394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), TonyR

14:58:51 [pauld]

zakim, read agenda from http://whatfettle.com/2006/07/RDFAgenda/http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2006Jul/0002.html

14:58:51 [Zakim]

working on it, pauld

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agenda+ Dial in information (members only) [.1]:

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agendum 1 added

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agenda+ Issue CR052: Serializing only part of the body with HTTP binding

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agendum 2 added

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agenda+ Issue CR053: Allow absolute URI in {location} [.1]

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agendum 3 added

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agenda+ Issue CR054: URIPath feedback [.1]

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agendum 4 added

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agenda+ Issue CR055: Clarification needed on HTTP Transfer Coding [.1]

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agendum 5 added

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agenda+ Issue CR056: Questions on {http method} and {safety} extension

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agendum 6 added

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agenda+ Issue CR058: Suggestion to change {safety} to {safe} [.1]

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agendum 7 added

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agenda+ Issue CR059: Editorial: Where does {http location ignore uncited}

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agendum 8 added

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agenda+ Issue CR060: Why don't whttp:authenticationType and {http

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agendum 9 added

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agenda+ Issue CR061: service and binding name shown as QNames in

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agendum 10 added

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agenda+ Issue CR062: Re:service and binding name shown as QNames in

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agendum 11 added

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agenda+ Welcome new member: Eran Chinthaka

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agendum 12 added

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agenda+ Issue CR063: Prefix declarations in inlined schema [.1]

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agendum 13 added

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agenda+ Features "at risk"

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agendum 14 added

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agenda+ Approval of minutes: (Youenn was also present.)

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agendum 15 added

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agenda+ Review of Action items [.1].

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agendum 16 added

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agenda+ Administrivia

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agendum 17 added

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agenda+ Issue CR022: Component Values Must Be Context Independent [.1]

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agendum 18 added

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agenda+ Issue CR037: Comments on Part 2, Chapter 6 [.1]

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agendum 19 added

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agenda+ Issue CR044: Parts 1 and 2 Treat Defaults Inconsistently with each

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agendum 20 added

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agenda+ Issue CR045: Inline schemas with no target namespace [.1]

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agendum 21 added

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done reading agenda, pauld

15:00:57 [pauld]

zakim, agenda-1

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agendum 1, Dial in information (members only) [.1]:, dropped

15:01:09 [TonyR]

zakim, who is on the phone?

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On the phone I see ??P2

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zakim, ??p2 is me

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+TonyR; got it

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+??P39

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zakim, ??p39 is Allen

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+Allen; got it

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+??P37

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+JacekK

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0

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+ +1.905.413.aaaa

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Zakim, aaaa is interopevent

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+Glen

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+interopevent; got it

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JacekK has changed the topic to: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2006Jul/0002.html

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+ +1.585.377.aabb

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Zakim, interopevent holds Jonathan, Arthur, plh, youenn, Jkaputin lmandel_, chathura

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+Jonathan, Arthur, plh, youenn, Jkaputin, lmandel_, chathura; got it

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+Roberto

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+bozhong

15:06:47 [Jonathan]

zakim, aabb is zehler

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+zehler; got it

15:07:13 [chathura]

hey Glen seeing you after some time

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scribe: Arthur

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meeting: WSD WG Telecon

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yah!:)

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+Paul_Downey

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2006Jul/0002

15:10:16 [pauld]

zakim, next agendum

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agendum 2. "Issue CR052: Serializing only part of the body with HTTP binding" taken up

15:10:23 [pauld]

zakim, agenda?

15:10:23 [Zakim]

I see 20 items remaining on the agenda:

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2. Issue CR052: Serializing only part of the body with HTTP binding

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3. Issue CR053: Allow absolute URI in {location} [from .1]

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4. Issue CR054: URIPath feedback [from .1]

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5. Issue CR055: Clarification needed on HTTP Transfer Coding [from .1]

15:10:32 [Zakim]

6. Issue CR056: Questions on {http method} and {safety} extension

15:10:35 [Zakim]

7. Issue CR058: Suggestion to change {safety} to {safe} [from .1]

15:10:37 [Zakim]

8. Issue CR059: Editorial: Where does {http location ignore uncited}

15:10:39 [Zakim]

9. Issue CR060: Why don't whttp:authenticationType and {http

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10. Issue CR061: service and binding name shown as QNames in

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11. Issue CR062: Re:service and binding name shown as QNames in

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12. Welcome new member: Eran Chinthaka

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13. Issue CR063: Prefix declarations in inlined schema [from .1]

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14. Features "at risk"

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15. Approval of minutes: (Youenn was also present.)

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16. Review of Action items [from .1]

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17. Administrivia

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18. Issue CR022: Component Values Must Be Context Independent [from .1]

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19. Issue CR037: Comments on Part 2, Chapter 6 [from .1]

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20. Issue CR044: Parts 1 and 2 Treat Defaults Inconsistently with each

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21. Issue CR045: Inline schemas with no target namespace [from .1]

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+Anish

15:11:09 [pauld]

zakim, whuptish

15:11:09 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'whuptish', pauld

15:11:13 [Arthur]

chair: Jonathan

15:11:46 [Arthur]

Date: July 6, 2006

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topic: action item review

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topic: administrivia

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jonathan: there will be a telecon next two weeks to clear up open issues

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jonathan: assume august holiday from telecons - but still hold implementor telecons

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jonathan: maybe no telecon July 27 due to potential absence of Jonathan and Tony

15:16:22 [plh]

Arthur: we have indeed shown interop. Canon and Apache implementation are talking to each other. We have recorded message logs.

15:16:38 [plh]

... we now have reports that show all the covered assertions.

15:17:05 [plh]

http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/test-suite/assertions-report.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8

15:17:35 [plh]

Arthur: lots of red in the assertion report.

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... please contribute that violate the assertions.

15:18:40 [plh]

... Jonathan will check the results produced by the implementations with the expected ones.

15:19:03 [plh]

... we only have two MEPs implemented. Anybody contemplating doing the others?

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... for the remainder of the events, we'll keep focusing on test coverage

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arthur: red = shame

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Tony: why 2 or 3 is yellow?

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-??P37

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Jonathan: we could put green if >= 1. no yellow

15:23:40 [Arthur]

glen: any cases for extensions and features/property?

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arthur: one for Feature, 0 for Property, all the Part 2 extensions

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glen: will contribute some later

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ACTION: Glen to contribute some extension test cases

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topic: CR050

15:26:32 [GlenD]

+1, sounds right

15:27:01 [GlenD]

oh right, this discussion

15:27:18 [GlenD]

+1 add to Interchange Format, -1 add to Component Model, I think

15:27:34 [Arthur]

jonathan: recall that we resolved CR050 with no action since wsdlx is a "characteristic" of the implementation so the wsdlx:safety property gets added to all Operation components even if there is no markup in the documents

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15:27:36 [Roberto]

I agree with Glen

15:27:52 [JacekK]

me too agrees with Glen

15:28:10 [Arthur]

jonathan: there was a proposal to add {extensions} to Description component

15:28:26 [Jonathan]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2006Jun/0034.html

15:29:31 [Arthur]

Jonathan: make this CR069

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glen: agree to putting {extensions} in the component model interchange format put not in the component model

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q+

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q+

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q- ibm

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ack jacek

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ack roberto

15:33:12 [Arthur]

jacek: nice to have {extensions} in component model since it is api guidance

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roberto: agree with glen re interchange format

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+q

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q+

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tony: {extension} useful for caching documents too

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+??P0

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roberto: {extensions} not an intrinsic part of the component model

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q+

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ack glen

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q+

15:35:22 [Arthur]

glen: +1 to roberto, BUT make be useful if a spec used that property, i.e. it needed to refer to that extension

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-Anish

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q+

15:36:17 [Jonathan]

ack arthur

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q+ to suggest trying to ask for objections one way or the other and just do what doesn't get objections

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ack jon

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arthur: need to know what extensions are in effect in order to decide validity of the component model

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jonathan: a spec and just refer to another spec, doesn't need an explicit property

15:38:17 [Arthur]

jonathan: the infoset spec started as a library of terms, not a data model

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q+

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ack jacek

15:39:05 [Zakim]

JacekK, you wanted to suggest trying to ask for objections one way or the other and just do what doesn't get objections

15:39:25 [Arthur]

jacek: this is a minor issue so let's vote

15:39:32 [Jonathan]

ack arthur

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tony: we need to be able to state component model validity so need to know extensions

15:41:48 [Arthur]

jonathan: any objections to the status quo?

15:41:58 [Arthur]

jonathan: no objections

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jonathan: any objections to adding it?

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glen: yes

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roberto: yes

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jonathan: RESOLUTION: closed with no action

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topic: cr056

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-Glen

15:49:13 [Arthur]

arthur: {safety} may not be present if the wsdlx is not "engaged"

15:49:34 [TonyR]

zakim, who is making noise?

15:49:37 [GlenD]

Incidentally, I think this issue is fairly clear cut, and the problem is that we don't have a notion of "processor" and "engaged extensions".

15:49:44 [Zakim]

TonyR, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: TonyR (4%)

15:49:50 [JacekK]

q+ to suggest moving to CR044 discussion, will have to leave in 10 min

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q+ to suggest moving to CR044 discussion after this item, will have to leave in 10 min

15:50:14 [GlenD]

Any extension that you choose to have "engaged" in your environment may well add any properties it wants to the component model, regardless of what is or is not present in the actual markup. IMHO, of course.

15:50:53 [GlenD]

It's up to the extension writers to do a good job at specifying how and when properties should be added/mutated.

15:52:08 [Jonathan]

ack jacek

15:52:08 [Zakim]

JacekK, you wanted to suggest moving to CR044 discussion, will have to leave in 10 min and to suggest moving to CR044 discussion after this item, will have to leave in 10 min

15:52:11 [Arthur]

RESOLUION: close with no action

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topic: CR044

15:53:11 [JacekK]

my version of CR44 writeup: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2006Jul/0014.html

15:53:42 [Arthur]

arthur: by "engaged" I mean supported in the component model

15:59:18 [Arthur]

Jonathan: can be close this as editorial or do we need to see final text?

15:59:27 [Arthur]

tony: i'd like to see the text

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-JacekK

15:59:57 [Arthur]

ACTION: Roberto to propose text for CR044 and related interface-less binding text

16:00:07 [Arthur]

topic: CR067

16:00:40 [Jonathan]

http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/issues.html#CR067

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q+

16:02:47 [Jonathan]

ack arthur

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-??P0

16:06:09 [Arthur]

Arthur: we should split the definition of the properties and their occurance, like XSD particles

16:06:59 [Arthur]

Jonathan: I propose we just clarify this in the SOAP binding, i.e. say that the HTTP properties occur when the transport is HTTP

16:14:15 [Arthur]

RESOLUTION: Accept Jonathan's proposal

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ACTION: Arthur to update cm interchange schema to make http cookies optional in the soap extension

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topic: CR037

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Arthur: the spec only defines a few serializations but doesn't prevent others so I suggest we close this with no action

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RESOLUTION: close with no action

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topic: CR055

16:25:08 [Jonathan]

jacek's proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2006Jun/0032.html

16:33:07 [Zakim]

-Allen

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-zehler

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-Roberto

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-Paul_Downey

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-TonyR

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zakim, kick ibm

16:33:17 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'kick ibm', Jonathan

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-interopevent

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WS_DescWG()11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were TonyR, Allen, JacekK, +1.905.413.aaaa, Glen, +1.585.377.aabb, Jonathan, Arthur, plh, youenn, Jkaputin, lmandel_, chathura, Roberto, zehler, Paul_Downey, Anish

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ACTION: John to write proposal for CR055 based on discussion and Jacek's email

16:33:40 [Jonathan]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/07/06-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan

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