15:48:12 RRSAgent has joined #ws-policy 15:48:12 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-ws-policy-irc 15:50:58 meeting: WS Policy Working Group 15:51:47 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jun/0007.html 15:52:08 paulc has joined #ws-policy 15:52:21 scribe: Felix 15:52:26 scribeNick: fsasaki 15:52:32 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jun/0007.html 15:53:09 chair: paulc 15:54:24 agenda+ Roll call and selection of secretary 15:54:33 agenda+ Introduction of chairs, team contacts and participants 15:54:40 agenda+ Administrative 15:54:48 agenda+ WG distributed meeting schedule 15:54:56 agenda+ WG F2F meeting schedule 15:55:04 agenda+ Submitting WS-Policy Issues 15:55:13 agenda+ WS-Policy WG F2F Agenda 15:55:22 agenda+ Any other business 15:55:55 asir has joined #ws-policy 15:57:50 WS_WSPolic()12:00AM has now started 15:57:57 +??P19 15:58:01 +Felix 15:58:29 +Paul_Cotton 15:58:56 +Mark_Little 15:59:07 +Chris_Ferris 15:59:41 +??P1 16:00:56 plh has joined #ws-policy 16:01:00 + +1.917.647.aaaa 16:01:11 prasad has joined #ws-policy 16:01:21 +Abbie_Barbir 16:01:47 maryann has joined #ws-policy 16:02:22 +[IPcaller] 16:02:32 + +1.508.628.aabb 16:02:58 Dan has joined #ws-policy 16:03:25 +Monica_Martin 16:04:01 toufic has joined #ws-policy 16:04:12 zakim, call plh-work 16:04:13 ok, plh; the call is being made 16:04:14 +Plh 16:04:16 +??P6 16:04:27 +RSalz 16:04:52 zakim, who's making noise? 16:04:54 +Umit_Yalcinalp 16:05:03 plh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Paul_Cotton (48%), Sanka (9%), ??P6 (4%), Chris_Ferris (11%), Ashok (55%), Plh (18%) 16:05:44 rrsagent, where am I? 16:05:44 See http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-ws-policy-irc#T16-05-44 16:06:47 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jun/0007.html 16:06:55 plh has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jun/0007.html 16:07:04 zakim, +RSalz is Maryann 16:07:04 sorry, cferris, I do not recognize a party named '+RSalz' 16:07:34 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-ws-policy-minutes.html plh 16:07:51 m2 has joined #ws-policy 16:07:55 +??P9 16:08:15 + +1.512.289.aacc 16:08:24 pc: questions about the agenda? 16:08:40 abbie has joined #ws-policy 16:08:45 .. as for co-charing: one of us will do an entire meeting 16:08:54 +DOrchard 16:09:10 .. if you have questions on our charing etc., please tell us 16:09:21 .. today, Chris will do the role call 16:09:28 .. later I take over 16:09:38 .. Chris, any comments? 16:09:43 dorchard has joined #ws-policy 16:09:56 Chris: Paul and I are still sorting through how to do this 16:10:03 zakim, take up agendum 1 16:10:04 agendum 1. "Roll call and selection of secretary" taken up [from fsasaki] 16:10:19 Abbie here 16:10:29 ruchith has joined #ws-policy 16:10:37 Ruchith Fernando here 16:10:56 pc: regrets from Frederik 16:11:03 Maryann Hondo is here 16:11:10 Philippe Le Hegaret here 16:11:15 Mark Little here 16:11:22 Ashok Malhotra here 16:11:28 Monica Martin here 16:11:34 Jeff Mischkinsky here 16:11:47 Anthony Nadalin here 16:11:58 David Orchard here 16:12:20 Daniel Roth here 16:12:27 Sanka Samaranayake here 16:12:36 Felix Sasaki here 16:12:37 abbie1 has joined #ws-policy 16:12:51 Yakov Sverdlov here 16:12:58 Asir Vedamuthu here 16:13:08 Umit Yalcinalp here 16:13:13 uyalcina has joined #ws-policy 16:13:16 Prasad Yendluri here 16:13:26 Chris: anybody who was not mentioned? 16:13:36 .. on this call? 16:13:54 .. somebody joined after the role? 16:13:57 is this a transcript of the official roll call? 16:14:04 zakim, take up agendum 2 16:14:04 agendum 2. "Introduction of chairs, team contacts and participants" taken up [from fsasaki] 16:14:16 +Seamus 16:14:26 I will be posting the attendance role presently 16:14:38 pc: we should introduce each other at the f2f meetings 16:14:58 ok thanks. i don't see my name here on the list, even though I was actually called 16:15:06 + +1.719.640.aadd 16:15:08 zakim, take up agendum 3 16:15:08 agendum 3. "Administrative" taken up [from fsasaki] 16:15:37 pc: 3 a) Public WG home page 16:15:49 .. 3 b)Administrative WG home page 16:15:54 perfect thanks. just didn't want to go through the corrections later :) 16:16:09 .. plh, make sure that all are subscribed 16:16:14 plh: making it right now 16:16:24 -Mark_Little 16:16:29 pc: most of the mail will be on the public list 16:16:37 .. 3 c): WG Call for Participation 16:16:44 .. see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2006AprJun/0056.html 16:16:55 .. good participation rate for this WG 16:17:11 .. 3 d): participants: http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=39293&public=1 16:17:25 .. 3 e)public list 16:17:41 .. and member only list 16:17:51 .. 3 f) : editor's list 16:18:06 .. for each CVS commit, a mail will be sent automatically to this list 16:18:26 .. 3 g): WG tools 16:18:38 .. (IRC, Zakim, action item and issue tracking, etc.) 16:19:04 .. we will take care of action items and issue tracking very clearly 16:19:42 .. for each agenda, where should be a list of scribes 16:20:10 .. if you are secretary, your name goes to the bottom of the list 16:20:23 .. Chris? 16:20:44 Chris: I am working with IRC etc., it's been a while 16:21:21 pc: 3g)Management and enforcement of good standing 16:21:30 .. we track good standing at the company level 16:21:57 Chris: I have set up a tracking page, based on the WS addressing tracking page 16:22:09 pc: we encourage you to maintain good standing 16:22:11 http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/groups.html#good-standing ? 16:22:19 .. the URI will come later 16:22:53 .. chris, you generate the random scribe list of participants for the next agenda? 16:22:56 Chris: yes 16:23:09 action: Chris to generate the random scribe list of participants for the next agenda 16:23:21 http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/participation/attendance.html 16:23:53 Chris: currently this lists the attendences who were in the group until yesterday 16:24:04 I just updated it 16:24:09 mis-typed password 16:24:40 pc: other administrative items? 16:24:53 .. I will hand these administrative items offline with new participants 16:24:59 zakim, take up agendum 4 16:24:59 agendum 4. "WG distributed meeting schedule" taken up [from fsasaki] 16:25:15 pc: a) Traditional W3C August break 16:25:22 .. we propose not to have a break 16:25:33 .. with a break, we could not meet our schedule 16:25:49 .. any comments? 16:26:20 .. 4 b) Distributed meeting time slot, Wed 12noon-2pm ET 16:26:46 .. chris and I took and intersection of our personal calendars 16:26:58 .. and looked into other groups in various organizations 16:27:07 .. so we came up with this slot 16:27:25 .. we would like to propose this slot for our distributed meetings 16:27:26 me suggests that anyone who can't read th attendance should reload the page 16:27:41 Monika: the BEPL meeting has a conflict 16:27:55 ???: there is another conflict 16:28:10 s/conflict/conflict 8am-10am Pacific/ 16:28:10 s/???/Prasad/ 16:28:24 Daveo: I am sympathetic with the co-chairs 16:29:02 pc: so that would be 11-1 ET? 16:29:20 .. others had problems as well 16:29:29 .. so 1 PM ET would be o.k.? 16:29:53 Prasad: would be a conflict for me 16:30:01 David: for me as well 16:30:09 WS-BPEL 8-10 a.m. each Wednesday, OASIS 16:30:11 Jeff: what time do we talk about now? 16:30:34 Pc: to have this call 1 pm - 3 pm ET 16:30:38 sorry that was no me again. 1pm East works for me 16:30:45 .. but that would be difficult for Ashok 16:30:48 I have a meeting at 2pm-3pm ET 16:31:13 Could we consider a 30-minute delay to compromise? 16:32:11 pc: we have to tackle many time zones 16:32:53 .. that is very difficult 16:33:07 .. I liked to stay with the current time for this call and maybe the next meeting 16:33:13 .. would that be o.k.? 16:33:41 .. the chairs will take regular meeting conflicts into account 16:33:53 .. with respect to the agenda and attendance 16:34:10 .. could we use the current slot until the end of August? 16:34:14 -Ashok 16:34:36 .. no objection 16:34:41 .. 4 c) Future distributed meetings 16:35:40 .. everybody o.k. with the current schedule? 16:35:51 ... David, you sent the first regrets 16:36:26 .. if we know that somebody cannot make a meeting, we will adjust the agenda 16:36:39 .. btw, such mails should go to the administrative list 16:36:47 Chris: if you send regrets 16:36:58 .. please send them also after the meeting 16:37:10 .. esp. for good standing tracking it is useful 16:37:21 pc: that is useful for companies with a single representative 16:37:41 q 16:37:46 q+ 16:37:48 q 16:38:02 q 16:38:36 Umit: Do we need to have a meeting next week? 16:38:58 .. many people take extended vacations 16:39:03 pc: not a bad suggestion 16:39:08 works for me 16:39:32 q? 16:39:34 pc: any objection against cancelling next weeks meeting 16:39:53 .. no objection 16:40:00 q? 16:40:07 ack prasad 16:40:38 Prasad asks about good standing 16:40:49 Chris: sometimes where are legimate reasons 16:40:53 paulc 16:40:53 .. like being on the plane 16:41:06 .. so to know why you did not attend a meeting is helpful 16:41:23 pc: if we have to declare someone into bad standing we have to go the AC 16:41:56 .. if e.g. there as a death in the family, we would not count that for attendance tracking 16:42:17 zakim, take up agendum 5 16:42:17 agendum 5. "WG F2F meeting schedule" taken up [from fsasaki] 16:42:25 pc: a) WS-Policy WG F2F, Austin, TX Tue-Thu Jul 11-13 (hosted by IBM) 16:42:36 .. local info is at http://www.w3.org/2006/07/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html 16:43:06 .. I sent a mail this morning about registration, some of you followed up 16:43:22 pc: anyone who is on the call: 16:43:22 ipbabble has joined #ws-policy 16:43:31 .. pleaese register your attendence or regrets 16:44:06 .. we will have a remote participation facility 16:44:38 .. you will get participation materials etc. before the meeting 16:44:50 Tony: we have the best room which is possible reserved 16:45:26 pc: I will push on some people in this week 16:45:41 plh: for remote participants - do we want to use the W3C bridge? 16:45:52 pc: I would say yes 16:46:04 action: plh to reserve the W3C bridge for the July f2f 16:46:35 plh: using zakim is easy since we can track participation etc. 16:46:59 pc: we appreciate the offer for a different bridge, but would like to rely on the W3C bridge 16:47:04 - +1.512.289.aacc 16:47:07 plh: a minor question: 16:47:20 .. will we have breakfirst in the room? 16:47:27 .. at 8:30 in the morning 16:48:07 pc: we need to find out if there is breakfirst 16:48:25 plh: as for hotels: if you have a problem with finding one, please let me know 16:48:46 action: Chris to tackle with Tony and Melita the breakfirst and hotel questions 16:49:25 pc: Felix and I are staying at the same hotel, it is also listed in the logistics 16:49:39 .. are you o.k. with what is in the logistics page, plh? 16:49:41 Plh: yes 16:50:04 .. 5 b) WS-Policy WG F2F, Tue-Thu Sep 12-14 16:50:22 There is also a F2F for WS-BPEL those three days. 16:50:56 +??P7 16:51:39 pc: it is not possible to do the week before or the week after 16:51:51 .. the week before has labour day, the week after was hard to host 16:52:15 some offer to host the week after 16:52:23 chris: I would have a conflict in the week after 16:52:50 pc: if there is a different offer for the week after, we have to find a majority 16:53:02 I have a conflict the week of f2f. The following week it would be fine. 16:53:05 .. but it would help to see who has a preference for which week 16:53:09 I prefer MSFT's offer and a conflict the week after 16:53:38 pc: the November f2f question will also be discussed during the July f2f 16:53:58 .. item 5 c) 16:54:18 .. 5 d) WS-Policy WG F2F, Jan 2007 16:54:34 .. W3C is considering hosting a meeting in early 2007 16:54:42 .. I sent a mail to Steve Bratt on this 16:54:53 just to clarify my conflict is for 9/13-9/18 16:54:56 s/meeting/meeting of several groups/ 16:55:15 plh: the dates might be later than January 16:55:33 pc: the note from Steve said early 2007 16:55:48 plh: Maybe Steve does not think of "only" January 16:56:00 pc: I will give Steve my input on the timing 16:56:06 is this planned on being hosted in Cambridge? 16:56:48 pc: if we meet in November, our target would be late in January 16:58:08 pc: please send the issues to the public list 16:59:04 .. I will write a thread on the current proposal 16:59:12 .. any comments? 16:59:25 action: Paul to start the thread on the current policy proposal 17:00:25 pc: we will have introduction of particiaptions 17:00:36 .. who are you, and what interests you / your company in policy 17:00:39 cgi-irc has joined #ws-policy 17:01:01 Fabian has joined #ws-policy 17:01:27 paul lists the agenda proposal listed at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Jun/0007.html (item 7) 17:01:51 pc: we will get Working drafts very fast after the first f2f meeting 17:01:59 .. this is in our charter 17:02:09 Asir: one suggestion 17:02:29 .. there was a workshop on policy 17:02:45 .. I would like to add a discussion of that to the agenda 17:03:01 pc: is it o.k. to use documents which were used at the workshop 17:03:16 I joined 10 mins ago, please make sure you log me as participating. Fabian Ritzmann. 17:03:19 -Umit_Yalcinalp 17:03:21 action: Asir to gather documents from the workshop on policy before the July f2f 17:03:43 plh: one question: we have to name editors 17:03:50 .. when will we do that? 17:04:00 pc: I put that as a subitem under publication plan 17:04:12 .. the chairs are responsible to built up an editorial team 17:04:22 +Umit_Yalcinalp 17:04:27 .. people who are interested in editorial work, please send a note to Chris and I 17:04:43 ???: what tools do we use? XML based editing? 17:04:45 pc: yes 17:04:54 .. on the working group HP 17:05:10 .. the public page, there is a link to the CVS area 17:05:23 .. plh has built an inital draft already and converted them 17:05:41 .. but plh will not be a long term editor? 17:05:48 +m2 17:05:50 -Monica_Martin 17:06:44 pc: we want more than one editor, and less than 10 17:06:57 -unknown 17:07:25 zakim, take up agendum 8 17:07:25 agendum 8. "Any other business" taken up [from fsasaki] 17:07:57 ??? just joined the call 17:08:20 William Henry 17:08:44 pc: if you joined the call later, please tell your name as we switch to a new topic 17:08:49 s/???/William Henry/ 17:09:41 pc: if you have problems with IRC, please send me a note, I will help you out 17:09:43 may I suggest the chairs to test the plus to be in the queue? 17:09:55 pc: please learn how to use IRC 17:09:59 q+ 17:10:01 q- 17:10:02 webclient is essential to some of us 17:10:04 jeffm has joined #ws-policy 17:10:22 web-test has joined #ws-policy 17:10:28 q+ me 17:10:32 worky 17:10:38 Fabian Ritzmann: I joined between item 4 and 5 17:10:43 okay I'm getting it 17:10:47 ACK 17:10:56 ack web-test 17:11:08 q 17:11:19 what client are you using Umit? 17:11:23 -DOrchard 17:11:26 IE6? 17:11:34 -Prasad 17:11:34 IE6 17:11:35 -Seamus 17:11:37 -Abbie_Barbir 17:11:37 -Chris_Ferris 17:11:38 - +1.719.640.aadd 17:11:38 -m2 17:11:40 -Asir 17:11:41 -Plh 17:11:43 -Paul_Cotton 17:11:45 -??P7 17:11:46 -Maryann 17:11:47 -Umit_Yalcinalp 17:11:49 -Sanka 17:11:53 -??P9 17:12:16 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-ws-policy-minutes.html fsasaki 17:12:32 -??P6 17:12:46 sanka has left #ws-policy 17:24:51 Dan has joined #ws-policy 18:05:00 disconnecting the lone participant, Felix, in WS_WSPolic()12:00AM 18:05:01 WS_WSPolic()12:00AM has ended 18:05:03 Attendees were Felix, Paul_Cotton, Mark_Little, Ashok, Chris_Ferris, Asir, Abbie_Barbir, Sanka, Monica_Martin, unknown, Plh, Prasad, Umit_Yalcinalp, +1.512.289.aacc, Maryann, 18:05:06 ... DOrchard, Seamus, +1.719.640.aadd, m2 18:05:41 plh has left #ws-policy 18:06:54 Fabian_ has joined #WS-Policy 18:22:04 jeffm has joined #ws-policy 18:35:33 web-test has joined #ws-policy 18:35:38 q+ me 18:35:48 echo 18:36:05 plh has joined #ws-policy 18:36:17 q+ me 18:36:19 echo 18:38:20 web-test has joined #ws-policy 18:38:27 echo 18:38:31 q+ me 18:38:44 hum, worky as well 18:38:44 hum, worky as well 18:39:29 zakim, bye 18:39:29 Zakim has left #ws-policy 18:39:33 rrsagent, bye 18:39:33 I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-ws-policy-actions.rdf : 18:39:33 ACTION: Chris to generate the random scribe list of participants for the next agenda [1] 18:39:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-ws-policy-irc#T16-23-09 18:39:33 ACTION: plh to reserve the W3C bridge for the July f2f [2] 18:39:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-ws-policy-irc#T16-46-04 18:39:33 ACTION: Chris to tackle with Tony and Melita the breakfirst and hotel questions [3] 18:39:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-ws-policy-irc#T16-48-46 18:39:33 ACTION: Paul to start the thread on the current policy proposal [4] 18:39:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-ws-policy-irc#T16-59-25 18:39:33 ACTION: Asir to gather documents from the workshop on policy before the July f2f [5] 18:39:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-ws-policy-irc#T17-03-21