IRC log of i18nits on 2006-06-28

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meeting: i18n ITS working group

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chair: Yves

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scribe: Felix

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scribeNick: fsasaki

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0152.html

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started

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+Yves_Savourel

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+Felix

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-Felix

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+Felix

14:00:53 [YvesS]

Hi Felix. We have regrets from Andrzej and Najib. And I think Diane say also she would be out 2 weeks, but I'm not sure.

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regrets: Andrzej, Diane, Najib

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+Sebastian_Rahtz

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topic: action items

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action: Felix to change the assigned persons for the different bugs (DONE)

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action: Sebastian to think about a reply on the NS binding issue, bug 3319 (DONE)

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Sebastian: Werner excepts it, we are waiting for Michaels response

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action: Yves to get back to Kara for feedback (ONGOING)

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action: Yves to look into http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3126 (PENDING)

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+??P6

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action: Andrzej and everybody who has time to look at OpenDocument for creating a section in the modularization (PENDING)

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action: Diane to look if there is any Boeing XML document type where ITS could be tried out (PENDING)

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action: Felix to check how to create path description with DOM (PENDING)

14:07:52 [YvesS]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0115.html

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action: Sebastian and Yves to look at the namespace issue mentioned at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0115.html (ONGOING)

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Sebastian: looked at it today

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.. in my implementation, that is the only thing I have to figure out

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action: Yves to get DocBook feedback from Norm (PENDING)

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topic: feedback on the ITS draft

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Sebastian: the bug on the "translate" attribute http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3408

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.. we had it before, but maybe it does not matter

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Christian: We discussed this before, why did we stick with "translate"?

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Yves: Other vocabularies have the same name

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Sebastian: It would help if the reply could mention another vocabulary

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Yves: e.g. DITA

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Yves: I will write an answer in that sense

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topic: how to answer bugs

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Yves: sometimes it requires some addition in the spec

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.. so we would give that as a note in the buglist

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Sebastian: Everybody from the group can give feedback, not only the owners

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Felix: everybody, please do so

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topic: feedback from Christian's people

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Christian: one comment about unqiue identifiers:

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.. so far we have addressed them only in the best practices document

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.. the other point: about defaults:

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.. in e.g. XSLT, defaults are harmful

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.. that is the reason why one commenter would not work with defaults

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Sebastian: Did you mean not using inheritance?

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Christian: The person did not differentiate between inheritance and defaults

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Sebastian: we use XPath to have a rule-based system

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.. so there is nothing to do about it?

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Felix: ITS is similar to XQuery and XSLT - they apply XPath, in various ways

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.. Christian, will this be a last call comment?

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Christian: I will check

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action: Christian to check whether the inheritance / default comment should be a last call comment

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yves: about the unique ID stuff: we address it in the guidelines

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.. we don't have a way to associate an ID with the concept of an ID

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Felix: so similar to langPointer?

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Yves: might be useful. Not sure if we need it

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.. Christian?

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Christian: Not sure

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.. we said what we don't tackle this requirement

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Yves: I would drop that issue

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topic: feedback in general

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Felix: I will make timelines for comments now and write answers

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Yves: will we have a report on the closed bugs?

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Felix: can be generated easily with XSLT, I will do that

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topic: Implementation

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Yves: Felix, any changes?

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Felix: made a javascript visualization on top of my existing implementation

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.. still needs some changes

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Sebastian: Is there a default value for translatability?

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Felix: I think attributes "no", elements "yes"

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Yves: it is not in the spec yet

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action: Felix to draft a proposal about defaults for all data categories

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topic: test suite

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Yves: no other news

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topic: best practices doc

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Yves: any news?

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.. we got some change on the template from Richard, I used his new string.xml

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topic: other business

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Christian: Report on presentation about ITS

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.. purpose was to gather feedback

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.. and to facilitate implementations

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.. I invited people with various backgrounds

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.. in the presentation, I introduced some of the basic concepts of our work

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.. I sketched some issue we encounter

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.. and the way ITS addresses the issues

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.. who has to say s.t. about content? what does she say? how is it said with ITS?

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.. the presentation was very well received

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.. as for conformance criteria, we have to see what parts of ITS will be implemented

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Yves: good

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.. will you have another session like that?

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Christian: as for follow-up sessions:

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.. after the last call comments have been answered:

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.. I have to talk to people who have sponsered the activity

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.. also related to the new charter we have to think about

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topic: presentations on ITS

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yves: something on track?

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Christian: Nothing except what I mentioned before

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.. there is the magazin multilingual technology

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.. we published s.t. about lexical data and semantic web in the latest issue

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-Sebastian_Rahtz

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-Yves_Savourel

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Yves: adjourned

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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-Christian

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-Felix

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Yves_Savourel, Felix, Sebastian_Rahtz, Christian

14:51:29 [GoutamSaha]

Bye Felix, Yves

14:51:37 [fsasaki]

Goutam?

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Do you have a second?

14:51:59 [GoutamSaha]

Yes

14:52:21 [fsasaki]

Last week you said that you cannot contiune your W3C work. Do you have any news on that?

14:53:24 [GoutamSaha]

I have been transferred to another place. I got order that my present activities got vcancelled

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I am just asking because we need to have some clearence about your status

14:54:16 [GoutamSaha]

What to do Felix? I liked this w3c work very much

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I know. If your management tells you that you cannot contine, there is not much we can do, I am afraid.

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I hope that the situation will become clear for you soon

14:55:50 [GoutamSaha]

It's a real problem here. I don't know what to do.

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for example, in the minutes of this meeting, you are listed as "present". If your management does not allow you to participate, we should not list you. What do you think?

14:57:01 [GoutamSaha]

My management said that I can attend it beyond office hour

14:57:15 [fsasaki]

o.k. , so I will list you

14:58:19 [GoutamSaha]

Any way Felix, I'm trying some other job, by next 2-3 months it will be done, I hope

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I hope all the best for you

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Dr John has sent your corrected file to ACM Webmaster for posting

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thank you

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very much

15:02:09 [GoutamSaha]

Whatever happend to me because of only personal ego from my boss side only

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It's a midnight for you Felix, Very good night Felix

15:05:04 [fsasaki]

thank you, Goutam, good night

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I see 11 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-i18nits-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Felix to change the assigned persons for the different bugs (DONE) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-i18nits-irc#T14-04-13

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ACTION: Sebastian to think about a reply on the NS binding issue, bug 3319 (DONE) [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-i18nits-irc#T14-04-26

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ACTION: Yves to get back to Kara for feedback (ONGOING) [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-i18nits-irc#T14-05-33

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ACTION: Yves to look into http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3126 (PENDING) [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-i18nits-irc#T14-05-49

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ACTION: Andrzej and everybody who has time to look at OpenDocument for creating a section in the modularization (PENDING) [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-i18nits-irc#T14-06-34

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ACTION: Diane to look if there is any Boeing XML document type where ITS could be tried out (PENDING) [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-i18nits-irc#T14-06-54

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ACTION: Felix to check how to create path description with DOM (PENDING) [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-i18nits-irc#T14-07-18

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ACTION: Sebastian and Yves to look at the namespace issue mentioned at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0115.html (ONGOING) [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-i18nits-irc#T14-07-56

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ACTION: Yves to get DocBook feedback from Norm (PENDING) [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-i18nits-irc#T14-09-26

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ACTION: Christian to check whether the inheritance / default comment should be a last call comment [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-i18nits-irc#T14-20-41

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ACTION: Felix to draft a proposal about defaults for all data categories [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/28-i18nits-irc#T14-34-37

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