IRC log of i18nits on 2006-06-21
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- meeting: i18n ITS working group
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- chair: Yves
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- scribe: Felix
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- scribeNick: fsasaki
- 13:48:25 [YvesS]
- Hi Felix. We have regrets from: Andrzej, Diane, and Najib.
- 13:48:52 [fsasaki]
- Hi Yves, thanks for the info
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- regrets: Andrzej, Diane, Najib
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0137.html
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- I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started
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- +Yves_Savourel
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- +Felix
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- +Sebastian_Rahtz
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- topic: action items
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- action: Felix to check how to create path description with DOM (PENDING)
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- Yves: did you see last weeks mail from Felix
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- Sebastian: I looked at today's mail, that looked fine
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- Christian: Did not look at it, since I don't implement
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- Sebastian: The node description might be a problem
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- .. i.e. the <output> element
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- .. for debugging the difference is interesting, but besides that it is fine
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- .. if Felix carries on generating that, I will strip out the attribute
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- Yves: I could do the same
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- Felix: how about a counter for each element?
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- Yves: for me the output of the selection would be easier to create
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- Yves: Felix found some errors in the draft
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- Felix: also in the implementation
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- Yves: the last example had some problems
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- Felix: maybe because of my XSLT approach
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- Yves: So Sebastian and me will try to generate that output
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- action: Felix to write a summary on our position of the XHTML modularization issue (DONE
- 14:13:37 [fsasaki]
- my first try http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0126.html
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- Yves: comments?
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- Sebastian: Basic point is: XHTML Mod is only an example
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- .. and Felix is saying that
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- Yves: So we wait for Steven's feedback
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- Christian: I would like to have another look before we send the mail out
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- Felix: o.k., I'll wait
- 14:15:45 [YvesS]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0115.html
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- action: Sebastian to look at the namespace issue mentioned at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0115.html (PENDING)
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- Sebastian: We took the namespace of to allow ITS markup for the rules file itself
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- Yves: we also had an external comment
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- Felix: would it be fine with your implementations?
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- Sebastian: is maybe a problem
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- s/Sebastian to look/Sebastian and Yves/
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- action: Yves to put a paragraph at the top of the document which explains the numbering of examples (DONE)
- 14:20:48 [YvesS]
- http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#Modularization
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- action: Yves to write a mail to calreq(?) about our f2f and set up a HP (DONE)
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- Yves: posted also the f2f HP
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- action: All to try out the "translate" test case to achieve compatibility of output For implementations (ONGOING)
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- s/For implementations (ONGOING)/For implementations (DONE)/
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- action: Andrzej and everybody who has time to look at OpenDocument for creating a section in the modularization (PENDING)
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- action: Diane to look if there is any Boeing XML document type where ITS could be tried out (PENDING)
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- action: Felix (maybe Richard) to contact STC people about editing the best practices draft (DONE)
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- action: Yves to get DocBook feedback from Norm (PENDING)
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- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?&product=ITS
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- Christian: Some problematic issues?
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- Yves: something about the inheritance
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- .. but Sebastian said that is just life
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- Sebastian: what to do about the NS issue?
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- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3319
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- action: Sebastian to think about a reply on the NS binding issue, bug 3319
- 14:28:39 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
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- action: Yves to get back to Kara for feedback
- 14:32:40 [fsasaki]
- Felix: how about http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3126 ? Christian, can we leave last call without implementing this?
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- Christian: It is very important.
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- Yves: we have to discuss it before last call leaving
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- .. last time we thought of changing the translate data category
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- .. but maybe we need a new data category
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- action: Yves to look into http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3126
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- Felix: about general strategy for the future: should we do test suite work and replying to comments together?
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- Yves: both are important
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- Sebastian: If it is about prose, we can make a fast change, but things like the NS one effect the implementations
- 14:39:03 [YvesS]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?&product=ITS
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- Sebastian: Felix, could you change on the assigned persons?
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- action: Felix to change the assigned persons for the different bugs
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- topic: Implementation/Test suite
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- Sebastian: Have you used other data categories than translatability?
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- Felix: locInfo, terminology, directionality, but not all examples
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- topic: Best Practices
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- Yves: Martin send some feedback
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- Felix: I made some changes to the CSS etc.
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- Yves: it looks better now
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- .. I have made some changes
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- .. to address Richard's concerns
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- .. I got some feedback from DITA people
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- .. I started to work on generic techniques
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- .. I also worked on ITS and DITA
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- .. I am still struggling with ITS and the DITA DTD
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- 14:47:42 [YvesS]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0135.html
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- topic: Translating and the Computer 28 conference
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- Yves: if somebody wants to go, it might be good
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- .. btw., I made a submission for localization world about ITS
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- Christian: I asked people from the OASIS standards day about our submisson
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- .. we have to wait until the end of July
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- .. Felix, the presentations for XTech and Extreme Markup Languages, could I get them?
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- XTech link http://www.w3.org/2006/Talks/0518-xtech-its/
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- Extreme Presentation link http://www.w3.org/People/fsasaki/its-eml05
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- Yves: I look for other stuff
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- -Sebastian_Rahtz
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- -Felix
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- -Yves_Savourel
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- -Christian
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- I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Yves_Savourel, Felix, Sebastian_Rahtz, Christian
- 14:54:17 [RRSAgent]
- I'm logging. I don't understand 'make draft public', fsasaki. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- present: Christian, Felix, Goutam, Sebastian, Yves
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
- 14:54:54 [GoutamSaha]
- Good Night Felix, Yves
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- bye Goutam
- 14:55:21 [GoutamSaha]
- How are you Felix?
- 14:55:41 [fsasaki]
- fine, thank you. I hope you are fine too
- 14:56:17 [YvesS]
- bye Goutam.
- 14:56:48 [GoutamSaha]
- I have been sent to some other department and it seems I am out of the W3C project
- 14:57:24 [fsasaki]
- oh, why did that happen?
- 14:57:32 [RRSAgent]
- I see 14 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Felix to check how to create path description with DOM (PENDING) [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-04-44
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- ACTION: Felix to write a summary on our position of the XHTML modularization issue (DONE [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-13-15
- 14:57:32 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Sebastian to look at the namespace issue mentioned at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0115.html (PENDING) [3]
- 14:57:32 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-16-17
- 14:57:32 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Yves to put a paragraph at the top of the document which explains the numbering of examples (DONE) [4]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-20-37
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- ACTION: Yves to write a mail to calreq(?) about our f2f and set up a HP (DONE) [5]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-21-12
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- ACTION: All to try out the "translate" test case to achieve compatibility of output For implementations (ONGOING) [6]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-21-37
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- ACTION: Andrzej and everybody who has time to look at OpenDocument for creating a section in the modularization (PENDING) [7]
- 14:57:32 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-22-17
- 14:57:32 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Diane to look if there is any Boeing XML document type where ITS could be tried out (PENDING) [8]
- 14:57:32 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-22-30
- 14:57:32 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Felix (maybe Richard) to contact STC people about editing the best practices draft (DONE) [9]
- 14:57:32 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-22-50
- 14:57:32 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Yves to get DocBook feedback from Norm (PENDING) [10]
- 14:57:32 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-23-19
- 14:57:32 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Sebastian to think about a reply on the NS binding issue, bug 3319 [11]
- 14:57:32 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-28-11
- 14:57:32 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Yves to get back to Kara for feedback [12]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-29-46
- 14:57:32 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Yves to look into http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3126 [13]
- 14:57:32 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-34-11
- 14:57:32 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Felix to change the assigned persons for the different bugs [14]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-42-07
- 14:57:45 [GoutamSaha]
- Bye Yves