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13:47:25 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS working group
13:47:27 <fsasaki> chair: Yves
13:47:30 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
13:47:35 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
13:48:25 <YvesS> Hi Felix. We have regrets from: Andrzej, Diane, and Najib.
13:48:52 <fsasaki> Hi Yves, thanks for the info
13:49:05 <fsasaki> regrets: Andrzej, Diane, Najib
13:49:17 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0137.html
13:59:28 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started
13:59:36 <Zakim> +Yves_Savourel
14:00:15 <Zakim> +Felix
14:00:58 <Zakim> +Sebastian_Rahtz
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14:04:28 <fsasaki> topic: action items
14:04:44 <fsasaki> action: Felix to check how to create path description with DOM (PENDING)
14:06:09 <fsasaki> Yves: did you see last weeks mail from Felix
14:06:23 <fsasaki> Sebastian: I looked at today's mail, that looked fine
14:06:38 <fsasaki> Christian: Did not look at it, since I don't implement
14:07:08 <fsasaki> Sebastian: The node description might be a problem
14:07:46 <fsasaki> .. i.e. the <output> element
14:08:03 <fsasaki> .. for debugging the difference is interesting, but besides that it is fine
14:08:33 <fsasaki> .. if Felix carries on generating that, I will strip out the attribute
14:09:12 <fsasaki> Yves: I could do the same
14:10:18 <fsasaki> Felix: how about a counter for each element?
14:10:34 <fsasaki> Yves: for me the output of the selection would be easier to create
14:11:45 <fsasaki> Yves: Felix found some errors in the draft
14:11:50 <fsasaki> Felix: also in the implementation
14:12:42 <fsasaki> Yves: the last example had some problems
14:12:50 <fsasaki> Felix: maybe because of my XSLT approach
14:13:03 <fsasaki> Yves: So Sebastian and me will try to generate that output
14:13:15 <fsasaki> action: Felix to write a summary on our position of the XHTML modularization issue (DONE
14:13:37 <fsasaki> my first try http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0126.html
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14:14:21 <fsasaki> Yves: comments?
14:14:33 <fsasaki> Sebastian: Basic point is: XHTML Mod is only an example
14:14:38 <fsasaki> .. and Felix is saying that
14:15:23 <fsasaki> Yves: So we wait for Steven's feedback
14:15:40 <fsasaki> Christian: I would like to have another look before we send the mail out
14:15:44 <fsasaki> Felix: o.k., I'll wait
14:15:45 <YvesS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0115.html
14:16:17 <fsasaki> action: Sebastian to look at the namespace issue mentioned at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0115.html (PENDING)
14:18:20 <fsasaki> Sebastian: We took the namespace of to allow ITS markup for the rules file itself
14:18:29 <fsasaki> Yves: we also had an external comment
14:19:33 <fsasaki> Felix: would it be fine with your implementations?
14:19:40 <fsasaki> Sebastian: is maybe a problem
14:20:21 <fsasaki> s/Sebastian to look/Sebastian and Yves/
14:20:37 <fsasaki> action: Yves to put a paragraph at the top of the document which explains the numbering of examples (DONE)
14:20:48 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#Modularization
14:21:12 <fsasaki> action: Yves to write a mail to calreq(?) about our f2f and set up a HP (DONE)
14:21:21 <fsasaki> Yves: posted also the f2f HP
14:21:37 <fsasaki> action: All to try out the "translate" test case to achieve compatibility of output For implementations (ONGOING)
14:21:59 <fsasaki> s/For implementations (ONGOING)/For implementations (DONE)/
14:22:17 <fsasaki> action: Andrzej and everybody who has time to look at OpenDocument for creating a section in the modularization (PENDING)
14:22:30 <fsasaki> action: Diane to look if there is any Boeing XML document type where ITS could be tried out (PENDING)
14:22:50 <fsasaki> action: Felix (maybe Richard) to contact STC people about editing the best practices draft (DONE)
14:23:19 <fsasaki> action: Yves to get DocBook feedback from Norm (PENDING)
14:23:46 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?&product=ITS
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14:26:21 <fsasak> Christian: Some problematic issues?
14:26:39 <fsasak> Yves: something about the inheritance
14:26:56 <fsasak> .. but Sebastian said that is just life
14:27:10 <fsasak> Sebastian: what to do about the NS issue?
14:27:22 <fsasak> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3319
14:28:11 <fsasak> action: Sebastian to think about a reply on the NS binding issue, bug 3319
14:28:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
14:29:46 <fsasaki> action: Yves to get back to Kara for feedback
14:32:40 <fsasaki> Felix: how about http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3126 ? Christian, can we leave last call without implementing this?
14:32:48 <fsasaki> Christian: It is very important.
14:33:00 <fsasaki> Yves: we have to discuss it before last call leaving
14:33:17 <fsasaki> .. last time we thought of changing the translate data category
14:33:29 <fsasaki> .. but maybe we need a new data category
14:34:11 <fsasaki> action: Yves to look into http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3126
14:38:13 <fsasaki> Felix: about general strategy for the future: should we do test suite work and replying to comments together?
14:38:17 <fsasaki> Yves: both are important
14:38:54 <fsasaki> Sebastian: If it is about prose, we can make a fast change, but things like the NS one effect the implementations
14:39:03 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?&product=ITS
14:41:04 <fsasaki> Sebastian: Felix, could you change on the assigned persons?
14:42:07 <fsasaki> action: Felix to change the assigned persons for the different bugs
14:43:10 <fsasaki> topic: Implementation/Test suite
14:44:37 <fsasaki> Sebastian: Have you used other data categories than translatability?
14:44:57 <fsasaki> Felix: locInfo, terminology, directionality, but not all examples
14:45:05 <fsasaki> topic: Best Practices
14:45:30 <fsasaki> Yves: Martin send some feedback 
14:45:40 <fsasaki> Felix: I made some changes to the CSS etc.
14:45:45 <fsasaki> Yves: it looks better now
14:46:16 <fsasaki> .. I have made some changes 
14:46:26 <fsasaki> .. to address Richard's concerns
14:46:48 <fsasaki> .. I got some feedback from DITA people
14:47:01 <fsasaki> .. I started to work on generic techniques
14:47:09 <fsasaki> .. I also worked on ITS and DITA
14:47:20 <fsasaki> .. I am still struggling with ITS and the DITA DTD
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14:47:42 <YvesS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0135.html
14:48:31 <fsasaki> topic: Translating and the Computer 28 conference
14:49:36 <fsasaki> Yves: if somebody wants to go, it might be good
14:49:49 <fsasaki> .. btw., I made a submission for localization world about ITS
14:50:05 <fsasaki> Christian: I asked people from the OASIS standards day about our submisson
14:50:14 <fsasaki> .. we have to wait until the end of July
14:50:50 <fsasaki> .. Felix, the presentations for XTech and Extreme Markup Languages, could I get them?
14:51:29 <fsasaki> XTech link http://www.w3.org/2006/Talks/0518-xtech-its/
14:52:22 <fsasaki> Extreme Presentation link http://www.w3.org/People/fsasaki/its-eml05
14:52:49 <fsasaki> Yves: I look for other stuff
14:54:04 <Zakim> -Sebastian_Rahtz
14:54:07 <Zakim> -Felix
14:54:09 <Zakim> -Yves_Savourel
14:54:14 <Zakim> -Christian
14:54:15 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
14:54:16 <Zakim> Attendees were Yves_Savourel, Felix, Sebastian_Rahtz, Christian
14:54:17 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make draft public', fsasaki.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:54:37 <fsasaki> present: Christian, Felix, Goutam, Sebastian, Yves
14:54:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
14:54:54 <GoutamSaha> Good Night Felix, Yves 
14:55:01 <fsasaki> bye Goutam
14:55:21 <GoutamSaha> How are you Felix? 
14:55:41 <fsasaki> fine, thank you. I hope you are fine too
14:56:17 <YvesS> bye Goutam.
14:56:48 <GoutamSaha> I have been sent to some other department and it seems I am out of the W3C project 
14:57:24 <fsasaki> oh, why did that happen?
14:57:32 <RRSAgent> I see 14 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-actions.rdf :
14:57:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to check how to create path description with DOM (PENDING) [1]
14:57:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-04-44
14:57:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to write a summary on our position of the XHTML modularization issue (DONE [2]
14:57:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-13-15
14:57:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sebastian to look at the namespace issue mentioned at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0115.html (PENDING) [3]
14:57:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-16-17
14:57:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to put a paragraph at the top of the document which explains the numbering of examples (DONE) [4]
14:57:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-20-37
14:57:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to write a mail to calreq(?) about our f2f and set up a HP (DONE) [5]
14:57:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-21-12
14:57:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: All to try out the "translate" test case to achieve compatibility of output For implementations (ONGOING) [6]
14:57:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-21-37
14:57:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Andrzej and everybody who has time to look at OpenDocument for creating a section in the modularization (PENDING) [7]
14:57:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-22-17
14:57:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Diane to look if there is any Boeing XML document type where ITS could be tried out (PENDING) [8]
14:57:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-22-30
14:57:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix (maybe Richard) to contact STC people about editing the best practices draft (DONE) [9]
14:57:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-22-50
14:57:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to get DocBook feedback from Norm (PENDING) [10]
14:57:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-23-19
14:57:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sebastian to think about a reply on the NS binding issue, bug 3319 [11]
14:57:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-28-11
14:57:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to get back to Kara for feedback [12]
14:57:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-29-46
14:57:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to look into http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3126 [13]
14:57:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-34-11
14:57:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to change the assigned persons for the different bugs [14]
14:57:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/21-i18nits-irc#T14-42-07
14:57:45 <GoutamSaha> Bye Yves