IRC log of i18nits on 2006-06-07

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meeting: i18n ITS working group
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chair: Yves
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scribe: Felix
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scribeNick: fsasaki
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0192.html
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I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started
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+Yves_Savourel
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+Felix
14:01:19 [YvesS]
zakim, who is there?
14:01:19 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, YvesS.
14:01:23 [YvesS]
zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see Yves_Savourel, Felix
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On IRC I see YvesS, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
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+Sebastian_Rahtz
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+Diane_Stoick
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14:04:47 [YvesS]
zakim, who is here?
14:04:47 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Yves_Savourel, Felix, Sebastian_Rahtz, Diane_Stoick
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On IRC I see diane, AZ, YvesS, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
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topic: action items
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+??P21
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me
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Yes - my VOIP connection crashed
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action: Yves to add a sentence on "these examples are illustrative" to the modularization section of the best practices. (DONE)
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+??P22
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action: All to try out the "translate" test case to achieve compatibility of output For implementations. (PENDING)
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Yves: how should we gather samples?
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Sebastian: with real markup etc.?
14:08:04 [AZ]
DITA is most probably a good source
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Sebastian: let's use the examples from the spec?
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.. they are directly linked from the specification
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yves: we said "one translatable node: one output line"
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.. we don't care about other categories so far
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action: Felix to check how license should be handled in the schema. (DONE)
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felix: document lisence is safer, because you can change to software lisencse easly
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action: Yves to contact Heartsome (Rodolfo) for feedback. (DONE)
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yves: did you see anything else?
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felix: I made some new bugzilla entries, if you see s.t. missing, please ping me or add it yourself
14:14:53 [AZ]
I found the Relax NG Schema
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action: Andrzej to look at OpenDocument for creating a section in the modularization. (ONGOING)
14:15:15 [AZ]
I will use the chat
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Andrzej: I used the RELAX NG version of OO
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.. I know very little about RELAX NG unfortunatly
14:16:26 [AZ]
OO is based totally on Relax-NG
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yves: did you have time to look into specifics like "translatability"?
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For the Oasis v1.0 specification
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Unfortunately I do not know Relax NG
14:18:07 [fsasaki]
felix: how about Damian?
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yves: I pinged him, but had no feedback yet. I'll ping him again
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OK
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s/Andrzej to/Andrzej and who has time to/
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action: Yves to get DocBook feedback from Norm. (PENDING)
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yves: we send him information, he did not reply yet
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.. we can try the basic rules and see if they work with docbook
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sebastian: if you would create a sceleton of rules, he might respond
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yves: I will try to make some rules and send them to him
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action: Diane to look if there is any Boeing XML document type where ITS could be tried out. (ONGOING)
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diane: will it be an example which will be linked from the draft?
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yves: if possible. If you can't publish it, that would be o.k. of course.
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topic: Public comments
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felix: how about making a detailed time schedule for replying to comments, at the end of the comment period?
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yves: good idea.
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topic: Editing help from STC
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It is always good to use professional help if it is offered.
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yves: STC offered editing help for our documents. what do you think? Which document should we offer them?
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.. maybe not the tagset draft, but the best practices
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sebastian: the tagset draft is more or less o.k., not great, but o.k.
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diane: the best practices needs more work
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.. a technical writer might be of help
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yves: so we ask them that, o.k.
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action: Felix (maybe Richard) to contact STC people about editing the best practices draft
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topic: Editors' teleconference
14:28:32 [chriLi]
fine with me
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yves: we could say per default: there is no editor's call, only if we say we have one during the week
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topic: f2f meeting in September
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yves: felix asked if the week before or after 12-14 September would be fine
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.. Richard said both would be fine
14:30:01 [AZ]
Not good for me too
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I am running out of travel budget
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yves: how about the week before
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diane: probably o.k.
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felix: so the 6, 7, 8?
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yves: yes
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I am out of budget for travel
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az: next year will be easier
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yves: so we go for the week before, that is: 6,7,8 of september
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christian: I will check
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topic: best practices document
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http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-i18n-bp/
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yves: I work on the structure of the doc
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.. does anybody want to do some of the items? Just send me a mail, and you can handle it
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diane: about the BP doc: sometimes the numbering of techniques is strange
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yves: good point
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diane: the numbering of techniques should be "per" section
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yves: so sec. 2, and techniques 2.1, 2.2, etc.
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action: Felix to look into the techniques XSLT templates for numbering
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yves: we need to talk to Richard as well
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diane: maybe we can make that explicit how the techniques are ordered
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yves: good
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yves: to address comments for the BP, we can do it as they come
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.. but tagset comments have priority
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felix: good
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diane: a question: if you paste a link, you used the TR document
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.. is it the same as the one under the ITS directory?
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yves: the one in the ITS directory is the working one, but not the official one
14:41:50 [YvesS]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see Yves_Savourel, Felix, Sebastian_Rahtz, Diane_Stoick, AZ (muted), ??P22
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On IRC I see GoutamSaha, chriLi, diane, AZ, YvesS, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
14:44:15 [YvesS]
zakim, ??P22 is ChriLi
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+ChriLi; got it
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topic: next meeting
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-Sebastian_Rahtz
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yves: next week, same time. Hopefully we have progress on the BP doc.
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Bye
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-Diane_Stoick
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-ChriLi
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-Yves_Savourel
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-Felix
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-AZ
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I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Yves_Savourel, Felix, Sebastian_Rahtz, Diane_Stoick, AZ, ChriLi
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present: Andrzej, Christian, Diane, Felix, Sebastian, Yves
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/06/07-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
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Bye Felix
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present: Andrzej, Christian, Diane, Felix, Goutam, Sebastian, Yves
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/06/07-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
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