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13:53:55 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS working group
13:53:58 <fsasaki> chair: Yves
13:54:01 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
13:54:06 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
13:55:07 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0192.html
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13:58:08 <Zakim> +Yves_Savourel
13:58:25 <Zakim> +Felix
14:01:19 <YvesS> zakim, who is there?
14:01:19 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, YvesS.
14:01:23 <YvesS> zakim, who is here?
14:01:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Yves_Savourel, Felix
14:01:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see YvesS, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
14:01:41 <Zakim> +Sebastian_Rahtz
14:03:41 <Zakim> +Diane_Stoick
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14:04:47 <YvesS> zakim, who is here?
14:04:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Yves_Savourel, Felix, Sebastian_Rahtz, Diane_Stoick
14:04:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see diane, AZ, YvesS, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
14:05:54 <fsasaki> topic: action items
14:05:56 <Zakim> +??P21
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14:06:34 <AZ> me
14:07:00 <AZ> Yes - my VOIP connection crashed
14:07:13 <fsasaki> action: Yves to add a sentence on "these examples are illustrative" to the modularization section of the best practices. (DONE)
14:07:26 <Zakim> +??P22
14:07:36 <fsasaki> action: All to try out the "translate" test case to achieve compatibility of output For implementations. (PENDING)
14:07:53 <fsasaki> Yves: how should we gather samples?
14:08:03 <fsasaki> Sebastian: with real markup etc.?
14:08:04 <AZ> DITA is most probably a good source
14:09:25 <fsasaki> Sebastian: let's use the examples from the spec?
14:09:49 <fsasaki> .. they are directly linked from the specification
14:10:01 <fsasaki> yves: we said "one translatable node: one output line"
14:10:15 <fsasaki> .. we don't care about other categories so far
14:10:32 <fsasaki> action: Felix to check how license should be handled in the schema. (DONE)
14:12:54 <fsasaki> felix: document lisence is safer, because you can change to software lisencse easly
14:13:16 <fsasaki> action: Yves to contact Heartsome (Rodolfo) for feedback. (DONE)
14:14:26 <fsasaki> yves: did you see anything else?
14:14:51 <fsasaki> felix: I made some new bugzilla entries, if you see s.t. missing, please ping me or add it yourself
14:14:53 <AZ> I found the Relax NG Schema
14:15:12 <fsasaki> action: Andrzej to look at OpenDocument for creating a section in the modularization. (ONGOING)
14:15:15 <AZ> I will use the chat
14:16:02 <fsasaki> Andrzej: I used the RELAX NG version of OO
14:16:16 <fsasaki> .. I know very little about RELAX NG unfortunatly
14:16:26 <AZ> OO is based totally on Relax-NG
14:16:34 <fsasaki> yves: did you have time to look into specifics like "translatability"?
14:16:44 <AZ> For the Oasis v1.0 specification
14:16:56 <AZ> Unfortunately I do not know Relax NG
14:18:07 <fsasaki> felix: how about Damian?
14:18:22 <fsasaki> yves: I pinged him, but had no feedback yet. I'll ping him again
14:18:29 <AZ> OK
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14:19:08 <fsasaki> s/Andrzej to/Andrzej and who has time to/
14:19:28 <fsasaki> action: Yves to get DocBook feedback from Norm. (PENDING)
14:20:23 <fsasaki> yves: we send him information, he did not reply yet
14:20:36 <fsasaki> .. we can try the basic rules and see if they work with docbook
14:20:56 <fsasaki> sebastian: if you would create a sceleton of rules, he might respond
14:21:06 <fsasaki> yves: I will try to make some rules and send them to him
14:21:19 <fsasaki> action: Diane to look if there is any Boeing XML document type where ITS could be tried out. (ONGOING)
14:22:00 <fsasaki> diane: will it be an example which will be linked from the draft?
14:22:19 <fsasaki> yves: if possible. If you can't publish it, that would be o.k. of course.
14:22:32 <fsasaki> topic: Public comments
14:23:50 <fsasaki> felix: how about making a detailed time schedule for replying to comments, at the end of the comment period?
14:23:59 <fsasaki> yves: good idea.
14:24:05 <fsasaki> topic: Editing help from STC
14:24:34 <AZ> It is always good to use professional help if it is offered.
14:24:39 <fsasaki> yves: STC offered editing help for our documents. what do you think? Which document should we offer them?
14:24:53 <fsasaki> .. maybe not the tagset draft, but the best practices
14:25:54 <fsasaki> sebastian: the tagset draft is more or less o.k., not great, but o.k.
14:26:09 <fsasaki> diane: the best practices needs more work
14:26:18 <fsasaki> .. a technical writer might be of help
14:26:42 <fsasaki> yves: so we ask them that, o.k.
14:27:16 <fsasaki> action: Felix (maybe Richard) to contact STC people about editing the best practices draft
14:27:26 <fsasaki> topic: Editors' teleconference
14:28:32 <chriLi> fine with me
14:28:41 <fsasaki> yves: we could say per default: there is no editor's call, only if we say we have one during the week
14:28:53 <fsasaki> topic: f2f meeting in September
14:29:14 <fsasaki> yves: felix asked if the week before or after 12-14 September would be fine
14:29:22 <fsasaki> .. Richard said both would be fine
14:30:01 <AZ> Not good for me too
14:30:24 <AZ> I am running out of travel budget
14:30:26 <fsasaki> yves: how about the week before
14:30:34 <fsasaki> diane: probably o.k.
14:30:56 <fsasaki> felix: so the 6, 7, 8?
14:30:58 <fsasaki> yves: yes
14:31:13 <AZ> I am out of budget for travel
14:32:00 <fsasaki> az: next year will be easier
14:32:25 <fsasaki> yves: so we go for the week before, that is: 6,7,8 of september
14:32:57 <fsasaki> christian: I will check
14:33:36 <fsasaki> topic: best practices document
14:33:48 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-i18n-bp/
14:34:58 <fsasaki> yves: I work on the structure of the doc
14:35:59 <fsasaki> .. does anybody want to do some of the items? Just send me a mail, and you can handle it
14:36:51 <fsasaki> diane: about the BP doc: sometimes the numbering of techniques is strange
14:36:57 <fsasaki> yves: good point
14:37:58 <fsasaki> diane: the numbering of techniques should be "per" section
14:38:15 <fsasaki> yves: so sec. 2, and techniques 2.1, 2.2, etc.
14:38:30 <fsasaki> action: Felix to look into the techniques XSLT templates for numbering
14:38:47 <fsasaki> yves: we need to talk to Richard as well
14:39:21 <fsasaki> diane: maybe we can make that explicit how the techniques are ordered
14:39:25 <fsasaki> yves: good
14:40:21 <fsasaki> yves: to address comments for the BP, we can do it as they come
14:40:40 <fsasaki> .. but tagset comments have priority
14:40:43 <fsasaki> felix: good
14:41:04 <fsasaki> diane: a question: if you paste a link, you used the TR document
14:41:21 <fsasaki> .. is it the same as the one under the ITS directory?
14:41:40 <fsasaki> yves: the one in the ITS directory is the working one, but not the official one
14:41:50 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/
14:42:49 <YvesS> zakim, who is here?
14:42:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see Yves_Savourel, Felix, Sebastian_Rahtz, Diane_Stoick, AZ (muted), ??P22
14:42:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see GoutamSaha, chriLi, diane, AZ, YvesS, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
14:44:15 <YvesS> zakim, ??P22 is ChriLi
14:44:15 <Zakim> +ChriLi; got it
14:49:01 <fsasaki> topic: next meeting
14:49:16 <Zakim> -Sebastian_Rahtz
14:49:17 <fsasaki> yves: next week, same time. Hopefully we have progress on the BP doc.
14:49:20 <AZ> Bye
14:49:20 <Zakim> -Diane_Stoick
14:49:22 <Zakim> -ChriLi
14:49:22 <Zakim> -Yves_Savourel
14:49:24 <Zakim> -Felix
14:49:25 <Zakim> -AZ
14:49:27 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
14:49:28 <Zakim> Attendees were Yves_Savourel, Felix, Sebastian_Rahtz, Diane_Stoick, AZ, ChriLi
14:49:44 <fsasaki> present: Andrzej, Christian, Diane, Felix, Sebastian, Yves
14:49:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/06/07-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
14:54:05 <GoutamSaha> Bye Felix
14:54:33 <fsasaki> present: Andrzej, Christian, Diane, Felix, Goutam, Sebastian, Yves
14:54:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/06/07-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
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