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16:54:56 <Norm> zakim, this will be tag
16:54:56 <Zakim> ok, Norm; I see TAG_Weekly()12:30PM scheduled to start 24 minutes ago
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16:59:30 <Zakim> TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has now started
16:59:37 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
16:59:45 <noah> zakim, [IBM is me
16:59:45 <Zakim> +noah; got it
16:59:50 <Zakim> +Norm
16:59:54 <Zakim> -noah
16:59:55 <Zakim> +noah
17:00:25 <Norm> zakim, who's on the phone?
17:00:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see noah, Norm
17:00:43 <Zakim> +Raman
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17:01:15 <ht> zakim, please call ht-781
17:01:15 <Zakim> ok, ht; the call is being made
17:01:19 <Zakim> +Ht
17:01:26 <Zakim> +DanC
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17:02:49 <Zakim> +[INRIA]
17:03:07 <Vincent> Zakim, INRIA is Vincent
17:03:07 <Zakim> +Vincent; got it
17:03:26 <Vincent> Zakim, who is here?
17:03:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see noah, Norm, Raman, Ht, DanC, Vincent
17:03:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vincent, DanC, ht, RRSAgent, Zakim, noah, Norm
17:05:52 <DanC> Meeting: TAG Weekly
17:05:55 <DanC> Chair: VQ
17:06:01 <DanC> Scribe: DanC
17:06:35 <DanC> NDW: yes, TV, I'm able to read your document
17:07:12 <DanC> Zakim, next item
17:07:12 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
17:07:15 <Zakim> +TimBL
17:07:21 <DanC> Topic: next teleconference
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17:07:46 <DanC> PROPOSED: to meet again 20 June
17:08:05 <DanC> TBL: I seem to have conflicts 20, 27 June
17:08:28 <DanC> VQ: so that's 3 missing for 20 June
17:08:35 <DanC> VQ: we'll decide later
17:08:48 <timbl> We quiet often miss the teleconf afterthe face to face meeting
17:08:49 <DanC> Topic: review of minutes
17:09:01 <DanC> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/05/30-tagmem-minutes.html minutes 30 May
17:10:00 <DanC> DC/VQ: we could have done better with the TOC of 30 May minutes....
17:10:03 <DanC> DC: but they're close enough
17:10:09 <DanC> RESOLVED to accept minutes 30 May
17:10:46 <DanC> Topic: agenda review
17:11:25 <DanC> (wondering what became of my action to contact Misha; ah... it's there... http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/actions_owner.html#DC )
17:11:59 <DanC> Topic: # f2f meeting next week
17:12:07 <DanC> VQ: meant to make more progress on the agenda...
17:12:18 <DanC> ... ETA tomorrow afternoon France time
17:12:48 <DanC> NDW: [confirms lots of logistics]
17:13:57 <Zakim> -noah
17:14:17 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
17:14:20 <DanC> HT: on urns/registries... agenda+ please
17:14:21 <DanC> VQ: ok
17:14:32 <noah> zakim, [IBM is me
17:14:32 <Zakim> +noah; got it
17:15:10 <DanC> DC: phone times?
17:15:22 <DanC> VQ: we have all day 9-5 reserved all 3 days
17:16:08 <DanC> VQ: yes, we'll do the stuff most interesting to tlr on Tue AM
17:16:29 <DanC> Topic: Repositories vs. web pages
17:17:37 <DanC> TimBL: if it's multiple repositories, that's one thing, but if it's one repository, I have more concerns
17:18:12 <Zakim> +Dave_Orchard
17:18:19 <DanC> ... it's not clear to me why phone data isn't just published by the manufacturers 1st hand.
17:18:55 <DanC> ... is this a case where a central iana-style registry is merited?
17:19:33 <DanC> HT: I see "logical" repository in the abstract; maybe it's federated?
17:21:18 <DanC> (the doc says "The Device Vendor makes available and maintains for accuracy device descriptions for public usage, e.g. by Content Providers." )
17:22:49 <DanC> DanC: the doc says "The Device Vendor makes available and maintains for accuracy device descriptions for public usage, e.g. by Content Providers." that seems OK to me. I have also heard strange things about reluctance on the part of device vendors, but if that's the plan of record, it's OK by me
17:23:23 <DanC> Noah: there's a spectrum of centralization... on the one hand, IANA-like centralized, and on the other RDDL, which is a format that anybody can use anywhere in the web
17:24:18 <timbl> 2.1.5: 4. Using the identity of the device the Content Provider queries the DDR to determine one or more capabilities supported by the device.  
17:24:36 <timbl> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-DDR-requirements-20060410/#iddiv3233209928
17:25:44 <DanC> (ok, 2.1.5 Normal Flow is the sort of thing that merits review.)
17:28:33 <DanC> TimBL: perhaps due to OEM rebranding etc., the business of building phones is disconnected from the business of running web sites about phones
17:28:47 <timbl> q+ to ask whether this (2.1.5) should be SPARQL.
17:30:18 <Vincent> ack timbl
17:30:18 <Zakim> timbl, you wanted to ask whether this (2.1.5) should be SPARQL.
17:31:01 <DanC> DO: why would the TAG say SPARQL as opposed to SOAP or WSDL
17:31:04 <DanC> ?
17:31:19 <DanC> DO: why not XQuery?
17:31:46 <DanC> TimBL: SPARQL includes an HTTP/URI-based protocol
17:32:26 <DanC> DanC: somebody in the SPARQL WG (DAWG) already has an action to look at this [I'm pretty sure]
17:34:26 <DanC> DO: isn't SPARQL more detailed than the level of thing the TAG advocates?
17:34:41 <DanC> TimBL: I regard SPARQL as pretty generic
17:36:10 <DanC> NM: I think it's appropriate to advocate using existing standards; if they're re-inventing existing stuff, we should be concerned, but they should choose the best fit for their needs.
17:36:22 <DanC> [er... something like that.]
17:37:28 <DanC> TimBL: perhaps they've got a fixed schema for which XML Schema/XQuery are a good match...
17:37:46 <DanC> ... but if their schema is "object/property/value", then that's reinventing RDF.
17:38:15 <DanC> VQ: I'm not sure about the current work, but CC/PP data was in RDF at one point...
17:38:50 <DanC> TimBL: yes, the original architecture was pretty good, until they hit this social issue of device vendors running web sites
17:39:32 <DanC> VQ: so... back to the one repository/many... how shall we proceed?
17:39:50 <DanC> DC: invite somebody from that group to explain it to us? that's most convenient for me.
17:40:14 <DanC> ACTION VQ: invite a DD WG person to a TAG meeting to discuss DDR requirements
17:40:50 <DanC> Topic: New issue? State in Web application design
17:41:32 <DanC> DO: no strong preference
17:42:03 <DanC> DC: feels like two or three issues, to me... but I'm not clear on what they are, so I'm OK to just muddle along for a bit
17:42:23 <DanC> DO: if it's to be a new issue, let's make it a short one [?] like versioning
17:42:50 <DanC> NM: actually, I think the finding is suffering from that sort of broad approach, as I said in my comments
17:44:16 <DanC> VQ: there doesn't seem to be a critical mass of sentiment in any particular direction; we'll have more data after the current round of reviews.
17:45:05 <DanC> Topic: URNsAndRegistries-50
17:45:21 <ht> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50.html#authority
17:45:39 <DanC> HT: I expect to send mail calling for review tomorrow.
17:45:49 <DanC> ... I'd like ftf time to finish it.
17:47:10 <DanC> HT: I persued the idea of an http/dns alternative to info: ... and in fact http://lccn.info/2002022641 is live.
17:47:59 <DanC> VQ: note "reviewing URNs, Namespaces and Registries -- reviewers: DanC, Ed" -- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/06/12-agenda.html
17:48:18 <DanC> HT: so review should please wait just one more day
17:49:55 <DanC> NM: my work on [which?] continues to be at risk.
17:50:04 <noah> metaDatainURI-31
17:50:11 <DanC> s/[which?]/metaDatainURI-31/
17:50:49 <DanC> ADJOURN.
17:50:51 <Zakim> -Dave_Orchard
17:50:54 <Zakim> -noah
17:50:55 <Zakim> -Raman
17:50:57 <Zakim> -Norm
17:51:01 <Zakim> -Vincent
17:51:05 <timbl> ooops
17:51:06 <Zakim> -DanC
17:51:07 <Norm> See you all in six days! :-)
17:51:08 <Zakim> -TimBL
17:51:16 <Zakim> -Ht
17:51:18 <Zakim> TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has ended
17:51:19 <Zakim> Attendees were [IBMCambridge], noah, Norm, Raman, Ht, DanC, Vincent, TimBL, Dave_Orchard
17:51:49 <timbl> ooops   i dropped off to take a phone call and the headset switched over to the cellphone when i tried to get bacl
17:52:17 <noah> As you can see, we've wrapped up anyway.
17:53:22 <noah> s/my work on/my attempts to have for the F2F a new draft of/
17:54:03 <timbl> I weas surprised to see the wrap up
17:59:54 <noah> As Vincent said, the agenda was short.
18:00:35 <noah> I'm off to NY for 2+ days.  Will try to fit in metaDataInURI redraft.  In any case, we'll hook up Monday morning for F2F.
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