IRC log of tagmem on 2006-06-06
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/06/06-tagmem-irc
- 16:54:56 [Norm]
- zakim, this will be tag
- 16:54:56 [Zakim]
- ok, Norm; I see TAG_Weekly()12:30PM scheduled to start 24 minutes ago
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- TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has now started
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- +[IBMCambridge]
- 16:59:45 [noah]
- zakim, [IBM is me
- 16:59:45 [Zakim]
- +noah; got it
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- +Norm
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- -noah
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- +noah
- 17:00:25 [Norm]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 17:00:25 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see noah, Norm
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- +Raman
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- 17:01:15 [ht]
- zakim, please call ht-781
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- ok, ht; the call is being made
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- +Ht
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- +DanC
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- +[INRIA]
- 17:03:07 [Vincent]
- Zakim, INRIA is Vincent
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- +Vincent; got it
- 17:03:26 [Vincent]
- Zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see noah, Norm, Raman, Ht, DanC, Vincent
- 17:03:27 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see Vincent, DanC, ht, RRSAgent, Zakim, noah, Norm
- 17:05:52 [DanC]
- Meeting: TAG Weekly
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- Chair: VQ
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- Scribe: DanC
- 17:06:35 [DanC]
- NDW: yes, TV, I'm able to read your document
- 17:07:12 [DanC]
- Zakim, next item
- 17:07:12 [Zakim]
- I see nothing on the agenda
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- +TimBL
- 17:07:21 [DanC]
- Topic: next teleconference
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- 17:07:46 [DanC]
- PROPOSED: to meet again 20 June
- 17:08:05 [DanC]
- TBL: I seem to have conflicts 20, 27 June
- 17:08:28 [DanC]
- VQ: so that's 3 missing for 20 June
- 17:08:35 [DanC]
- VQ: we'll decide later
- 17:08:48 [timbl]
- We quiet often miss the teleconf afterthe face to face meeting
- 17:08:49 [DanC]
- Topic: review of minutes
- 17:09:01 [DanC]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2006/05/30-tagmem-minutes.html minutes 30 May
- 17:10:00 [DanC]
- DC/VQ: we could have done better with the TOC of 30 May minutes....
- 17:10:03 [DanC]
- DC: but they're close enough
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- RESOLVED to accept minutes 30 May
- 17:10:46 [DanC]
- Topic: agenda review
- 17:11:25 [DanC]
- (wondering what became of my action to contact Misha; ah... it's there... http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/actions_owner.html#DC )
- 17:11:59 [DanC]
- Topic: # f2f meeting next week
- 17:12:07 [DanC]
- VQ: meant to make more progress on the agenda...
- 17:12:18 [DanC]
- ... ETA tomorrow afternoon France time
- 17:12:48 [DanC]
- NDW: [confirms lots of logistics]
- 17:13:57 [Zakim]
- -noah
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- +[IBMCambridge]
- 17:14:20 [DanC]
- HT: on urns/registries... agenda+ please
- 17:14:21 [DanC]
- VQ: ok
- 17:14:32 [noah]
- zakim, [IBM is me
- 17:14:32 [Zakim]
- +noah; got it
- 17:15:10 [DanC]
- DC: phone times?
- 17:15:22 [DanC]
- VQ: we have all day 9-5 reserved all 3 days
- 17:16:08 [DanC]
- VQ: yes, we'll do the stuff most interesting to tlr on Tue AM
- 17:16:29 [DanC]
- Topic: Repositories vs. web pages
- 17:17:37 [DanC]
- TimBL: if it's multiple repositories, that's one thing, but if it's one repository, I have more concerns
- 17:18:12 [Zakim]
- +Dave_Orchard
- 17:18:19 [DanC]
- ... it's not clear to me why phone data isn't just published by the manufacturers 1st hand.
- 17:18:55 [DanC]
- ... is this a case where a central iana-style registry is merited?
- 17:19:33 [DanC]
- HT: I see "logical" repository in the abstract; maybe it's federated?
- 17:21:18 [DanC]
- (the doc says "The Device Vendor makes available and maintains for accuracy device descriptions for public usage, e.g. by Content Providers." )
- 17:22:49 [DanC]
- DanC: the doc says "The Device Vendor makes available and maintains for accuracy device descriptions for public usage, e.g. by Content Providers." that seems OK to me. I have also heard strange things about reluctance on the part of device vendors, but if that's the plan of record, it's OK by me
- 17:23:23 [DanC]
- Noah: there's a spectrum of centralization... on the one hand, IANA-like centralized, and on the other RDDL, which is a format that anybody can use anywhere in the web
- 17:24:18 [timbl]
- 2.1.5: 4. Using the identity of the device the Content Provider queries the DDR to determine one or more capabilities supported by the device.
- 17:24:36 [timbl]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-DDR-requirements-20060410/#iddiv3233209928
- 17:25:44 [DanC]
- (ok, 2.1.5 Normal Flow is the sort of thing that merits review.)
- 17:28:33 [DanC]
- TimBL: perhaps due to OEM rebranding etc., the business of building phones is disconnected from the business of running web sites about phones
- 17:28:47 [timbl]
- q+ to ask whether this (2.1.5) should be SPARQL.
- 17:30:18 [Vincent]
- ack timbl
- 17:30:18 [Zakim]
- timbl, you wanted to ask whether this (2.1.5) should be SPARQL.
- 17:31:01 [DanC]
- DO: why would the TAG say SPARQL as opposed to SOAP or WSDL
- 17:31:04 [DanC]
- ?
- 17:31:19 [DanC]
- DO: why not XQuery?
- 17:31:46 [DanC]
- TimBL: SPARQL includes an HTTP/URI-based protocol
- 17:32:26 [DanC]
- DanC: somebody in the SPARQL WG (DAWG) already has an action to look at this [I'm pretty sure]
- 17:34:26 [DanC]
- DO: isn't SPARQL more detailed than the level of thing the TAG advocates?
- 17:34:41 [DanC]
- TimBL: I regard SPARQL as pretty generic
- 17:36:10 [DanC]
- NM: I think it's appropriate to advocate using existing standards; if they're re-inventing existing stuff, we should be concerned, but they should choose the best fit for their needs.
- 17:36:22 [DanC]
- [er... something like that.]
- 17:37:28 [DanC]
- TimBL: perhaps they've got a fixed schema for which XML Schema/XQuery are a good match...
- 17:37:46 [DanC]
- ... but if their schema is "object/property/value", then that's reinventing RDF.
- 17:38:15 [DanC]
- VQ: I'm not sure about the current work, but CC/PP data was in RDF at one point...
- 17:38:50 [DanC]
- TimBL: yes, the original architecture was pretty good, until they hit this social issue of device vendors running web sites
- 17:39:32 [DanC]
- VQ: so... back to the one repository/many... how shall we proceed?
- 17:39:50 [DanC]
- DC: invite somebody from that group to explain it to us? that's most convenient for me.
- 17:40:14 [DanC]
- ACTION VQ: invite a DD WG person to a TAG meeting to discuss DDR requirements
- 17:40:50 [DanC]
- Topic: New issue? State in Web application design
- 17:41:32 [DanC]
- DO: no strong preference
- 17:42:03 [DanC]
- DC: feels like two or three issues, to me... but I'm not clear on what they are, so I'm OK to just muddle along for a bit
- 17:42:23 [DanC]
- DO: if it's to be a new issue, let's make it a short one [?] like versioning
- 17:42:50 [DanC]
- NM: actually, I think the finding is suffering from that sort of broad approach, as I said in my comments
- 17:44:16 [DanC]
- VQ: there doesn't seem to be a critical mass of sentiment in any particular direction; we'll have more data after the current round of reviews.
- 17:45:05 [DanC]
- Topic: URNsAndRegistries-50
- 17:45:21 [ht]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50.html#authority
- 17:45:39 [DanC]
- HT: I expect to send mail calling for review tomorrow.
- 17:45:49 [DanC]
- ... I'd like ftf time to finish it.
- 17:47:10 [DanC]
- HT: I persued the idea of an http/dns alternative to info: ... and in fact http://lccn.info/2002022641 is live.
- 17:47:59 [DanC]
- VQ: note "reviewing URNs, Namespaces and Registries -- reviewers: DanC, Ed" -- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/06/12-agenda.html
- 17:48:18 [DanC]
- HT: so review should please wait just one more day
- 17:49:55 [DanC]
- NM: my work on [which?] continues to be at risk.
- 17:50:04 [noah]
- metaDatainURI-31
- 17:50:11 [DanC]
- s/[which?]/metaDatainURI-31/
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- ADJOURN.
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- -Dave_Orchard
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- -noah
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- -Raman
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- -Norm
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- -Vincent
- 17:51:05 [timbl]
- ooops
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- -DanC
- 17:51:07 [Norm]
- See you all in six days! :-)
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- -TimBL
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- -Ht
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- TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has ended
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- Attendees were [IBMCambridge], noah, Norm, Raman, Ht, DanC, Vincent, TimBL, Dave_Orchard
- 17:51:49 [timbl]
- ooops i dropped off to take a phone call and the headset switched over to the cellphone when i tried to get bacl
- 17:52:17 [noah]
- As you can see, we've wrapped up anyway.
- 17:53:22 [noah]
- s/my work on/my attempts to have for the F2F a new draft of/
- 17:54:03 [timbl]
- I weas surprised to see the wrap up
- 17:59:54 [noah]
- As Vincent said, the agenda was short.
- 18:00:35 [noah]
- I'm off to NY for 2+ days. Will try to fit in metaDataInURI redraft. In any case, we'll hook up Monday morning for F2F.
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