IRC log of ws-desc on 2006-06-01

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13:56:25 [Jonathan]

Zakim, list conferences

13:56:25 [Zakim]

I see WAI_SC(F2F)7:30AM, SVG_WG()3:00AM active

13:56:27 [Zakim]

also scheduled at this time are Team_Global(review)8:00AM, MWI_BPWG()10:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM, DI_DIWG(dpf)10:00AM

13:56:33 [Jonathan]

Zakim, this will be WSDL

13:56:33 [Zakim]

ok, Jonathan; I see WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

13:56:41 [Jonathan]

RRSAgent, set log world

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WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM has now started

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+??P9

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zakim, ??p9 is me

14:01:53 [Zakim]

+TonyR; got it

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+Arthur_Ryman

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-TonyR

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+TonyR

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+Jonathan_Marsh

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+jkaputin

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+Canon

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Action: Arthur to add wrappers to the schema.

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14:27:54 [Jonathan]

Action: Arthur to put parent, features, properties in the base schema.

14:36:23 [Jonathan]

Action: Jonathan to add sorting of soap modules, http/soap headers.

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This conference is scheduled to end in 10 minutes; 2 ports must be freed

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Action: John to file issue whether {rpc signature} should be OPTIONAL (4.1.1)

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-jkaputin

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-Arthur_Ryman

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-Jonathan_Marsh

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-Canon

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-TonyR

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WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were TonyR, Arthur_Ryman, Jonathan_Marsh, jkaputin, Canon

15:01:42 [JacekK]

zakim, this is wsdwg

15:01:42 [Zakim]

ok, JacekK; that matches WS_DescWG()11:00AM

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+??P9

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zakim, ??p9 is me

15:02:35 [Zakim]

+TonyR; got it

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+Canon

15:02:55 [pauld]

agenda: ?

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+Jonathan_Marsh

15:03:56 [Jonathan]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2006May/0121.html

15:04:28 [Jonathan]

zakim, who's on the phone?

15:04:28 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ??P20, TonyR, Canon, Jonathan_Marsh

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+Anish

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-??P20

15:04:55 [Jonathan]

Zakim, ??P20 is Jacek

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I already had ??P20 as ??P20, Jonathan

15:05:03 [Jonathan]

zakim, who's on the phone?

15:05:03 [Zakim]

On the phone I see TonyR, Canon, Jonathan_Marsh, Anish

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+Arthur_Ryman

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+??P21

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+Paul_Downey

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+Gilbert_Pilz

15:06:39 [Jonathan]

zakim, who's on the phone?

15:06:39 [Zakim]

On the phone I see TonyR, Canon, Jonathan_Marsh, Anish, Arthur_Ryman, ??P21, Paul_Downey, Gilbert_Pilz

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-Gilbert_Pilz

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+Allen_Brookes

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JacekK has changed the topic to: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2006May/0121.html

15:07:18 [plh]

zakim, call plh-work

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ok, plh; the call is being made

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+Plh

15:07:22 [Jonathan]

zakim, who's on the phone?

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On the phone I see TonyR, Canon, Jonathan_Marsh, Anish, Arthur_Ryman, ??P21, Paul_Downey, Allen_Brookes, Plh

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+Gilbert_Pilz

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+??P34

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15:10:03 [plh]

rrsagent, where am I?

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See http://www.w3.org/2006/06/01-ws-desc-irc#T15-10-03

15:10:04 [Jonathan]

zakim, ??P34 is Jacek

15:10:04 [Zakim]

+Jacek; got it

15:10:42 [plh]

Meeting: Web Services Description

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CHair: Jonathan

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scribe: arthur

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Scribe: Arthur

15:11:02 [plh]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2006May/0121.html

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date: 2006-06-01

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ACTION: Jonathan to publicize interop event.

15:13:22 [Arthur]

topic: June 22 Telecon

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Jonathan and Paul will be at WS-I plenary.

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topic: Interop calls

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Tony reports that issues have arisen on interprettation, e.g. meaning of REQUIRED for optional extensions: When is REQUIRED in effect?

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topic: CR022

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+Amelia_Lewis

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s/on interprettation/during implementation/

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Web Services Addressing WSDL Binding now in CR: http://www.w3.org/News/2006#item95

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Jonathan reports that the WSDL 2.0 binding for WS-Addressing appears to violate the proposed restriction in CR022

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ACTION: Arthur to review the WS-A spec

15:20:24 [Arthur]

Asir: is this a language issue in the WS-A spec?

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-Allen_Brookes

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Jonathan: suggests we add terminology clarification to our spec, e.g. definition of child component

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Jonathan: WS-A WG is not currently meeting but may do so for this topic

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topic: CR029

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Amy: no progress - do this next week

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topic: CR032

15:24:37 [Arthur]

Jonathan: contacted Glen and Dave

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Glen agrees with the proposal

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Leave open for another week to wait for response from Dave

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topic: CR036

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resolution: accept proposal to change {type definiton} to be Type Definition

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topic: CR040

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resolution: accept proposal to change {element declaration} to Element Declaration

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topic: CR037

15:31:18 [Arthur]

Jacek: multipart would be used in MTOM

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Jonathan: let's defer further discussion

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topic: CR038

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Arthur: I corrected the stylesheet to normalize whitespace

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resolution: closed

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topic: CR037

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plh: the spec says other serialization formats are possible

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Arthur: I'll look at the spec

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topic: CR039

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done

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topic: CR041

15:36:43 [Arthur]

Jonathan: this is like CR032 so we'll wait for Dave's response

15:37:05 [Zakim]

-Anish

15:38:09 [plh]

[[ Multiple message-header fields with the same field-name MAY be present in a message if and only if the entire field-value for that header field is defined as a comma-separated list [i.e., #(values)]. ]]

15:38:16 [plh]

http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec4.html#sec4.2

15:38:28 [Arthur]

Jacek: HTTP allows multiple headers but their values get catenated

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Jacek: we should have a single component per header

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+??P1

15:39:50 [Allen]

zakim, ??P1 is Allen

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+Allen; got it

15:40:06 [Arthur]

resolution: accept proposal to require name to be unique

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topic: CR042

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resolution: add constraint that QNames in extends attribute must be unique, but need to discuss wording

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1) MUST be unique

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2) NUST NOT contain duplicates

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2) wins!

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s/NUST/MUST/

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topic: CR043

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+Roberto_Chinnici

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resolution: editorial - fix the BNF

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topic: CR044

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Roberto: the situation for Bindings to different than Interfaces because we need the defaults to support the case of Interface-less Bindings

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s/to/is/

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Roberto: we need the computation anyway for interface-less bindings

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resolution: add editorial clarification to Part 2 to explain that the component model contains default properties to support interface-less bindings

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topic: CR046

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Arthur: also a whitespace problem that has been fixed

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resolution: done

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topic: CR050

16:23:34 [Arthur]

Jonathan: the spec is confusing since the extension if optional but the property is REQUIRED, so how do we interpret REQUIRED extension properties?

16:24:42 [Zakim]

-Paul_Downey

16:25:46 [Arthur]

Arthur: if the attribute is present in the XML then it must be present in the component model and its value must equal the value specified

16:26:44 [Arthur]

Jacek: if an implementation "knows" about safety, but the attribute is absent, what should it return? I suggest false.

16:27:05 [Arthur]

Youenn: I agree, the implementation should return false instead of null.

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-Gilbert_Pilz

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-Arthur_Ryman

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-Jacek

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-Canon

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-Plh

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-Allen

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-Jonathan_Marsh

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-??P21

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-Roberto_Chinnici

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-Amelia_Lewis

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-TonyR

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WS_DescWG()11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were TonyR, Canon, Jonathan_Marsh, Anish, Arthur_Ryman, Paul_Downey, Gilbert_Pilz, Allen_Brookes, Plh, Jacek, Amelia_Lewis, Allen, Roberto_Chinnici

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16:35:04 [Arthur]

If an extension is supported that it must obey the constraints, so if safety is supported it must be present on all operations.

16:35:21 [Arthur]

Need more discussion on how to make the spec clearer about this.

16:35:30 [plh]

zakim, bye

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16:35:49 [plh]

rrsagent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/06/01-ws-desc-minutes.html plh

16:36:06 [Arthur]

rrsagent, where am i?

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See http://www.w3.org/2006/06/01-ws-desc-irc#T16-36-06

16:37:10 [Arthur]

Meeting adjourned.

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17:42:39 [Jonathan]

rrsagent, bye

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I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/01-ws-desc-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Arthur to add wrappers to the schema. [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/01-ws-desc-irc#T14-18-08

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ACTION: Arthur to put parent, features, properties in the base schema. [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/01-ws-desc-irc#T14-27-54

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ACTION: Jonathan to add sorting of soap modules, http/soap headers. [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/01-ws-desc-irc#T14-36-23

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ACTION: John to file issue whether {rpc signature} should be OPTIONAL (4.1.1) [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/01-ws-desc-irc#T14-55-34

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ACTION: Jonathan to publicize interop event. [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/01-ws-desc-irc#T15-11-48

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ACTION: Arthur to review the WS-A spec [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/06/01-ws-desc-irc#T15-19-25