IRC log of databinding on 2006-05-30

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Zakim, this will be DBWG
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ok, trackbot; I see WS_DBWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes
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Meeting: Databinding WG Teleconference
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Date: 30 May 2006
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Chair: pauld
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Scribe: pauld
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WS_DBWG()10:00AM has now started
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14:00:40 [pauld]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:00:40 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ??P14, ??P16, Jon_Calladine
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), pauld
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14:01:09 [pauld]
zakim, who is making noise?
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pauld, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P14 (81%), ??P20 (34%)
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zakim, ??P20 is me
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+pauld; got it
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zakim, ??P14 is probably otu
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+otu?; got it
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zakim mute, otu
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zakim, mute otu
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otu? should now be muted
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zakim, ??P16 is gcowe
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+gcowe; got it
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zakim, who is on the phone?
14:03:53 [Zakim]
On the phone I see otu? (muted), gcowe, Jon_Calladine, pauld
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14:06:12 [pauld]
zakim, unmute otu
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otu? should no longer be muted
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Topic: Admin
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pauld: lines up meeting for next week, BT will all be in a room monday
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Topic: ISSUE-52: identify patterns with URIs
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yves: will ping DanC re a microformat for GRDDL
14:10:19 [pauld]
yves: on holiday next week, but will monitor email!
14:10:41 [pauld]
yves: generation of XSD and WSDL still outstanding
14:10:48 [pauld]
pauld: may pick up this work
14:11:00 [JonC]
Colombo House, 50 - 60 Blackfriars Road SE1 8NZ but contact paul and myself if you want to attend
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yves: had to do some cvs fixup following generating spurious directories, so refresh your cvs images
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Topic: ISSSUE-12: identifying a conformant schema
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gcowe: haven't spent too much time on this, but working on the schematron and the catch-all to go
14:13:34 [JonC]
f2f at Colombo House, 50 - 60 Blackfriars Road, SE1 8NZ
14:13:36 [pauld]
.. trying to get Mark's time, busy this week
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Topic: ISSUE-58: anonymous complexType
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pauld: raised against advanced by accident rather than design
14:16:47 [pauld]
pauld: concerned at this point that people don't understand how we're working
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.. if a pattern isn't in the Basic patterns document, it isn't a Basic pattern
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pauld: people should realise that if they expect their schemas to be Basic Patterns compliant, then they need to submit them
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14:18:35 [Ajith]
+[IPCaller] is ajith
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pauld: sees another issue, how do we know when we're done
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ACTION: pdowney to send mail to clarify how we're working re ISSUE-58
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Created ACTION-42 - Send mail to clarify how we\'re working re ISSUE-58 [on Paul Downey - due 2006-06-06].
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Topic: ISSUE-12 (again)
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pauld: Ajith has joined
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pauld: george and I picking up detection work
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.. would like Tungsten to become an leading example on how databinding toolkits may use our testsuite
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ajith: happy to help
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14:26:34 [pauld]
Topic: ISSUE-61: Movement of Patterns between Basic and Advanced Specifications
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pauld: created from discussion at F2F
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proposal is to mark all Basic patterns at risk of being moved to advanced
14:28:22 [Ajith]
things seem to break up once in a while
14:28:51 [pauld]
and Advanced patterns may be moved to Basic (depending upon timing)
14:31:45 [pauld]
ajith: do you want to document the criteria for moving between advanced and basic?
14:32:07 [pauld]
pauld: yes, it has to work with all "mainstream" toolkits, which is a value judgement
14:34:19 [pauld]
jonc: CR testing will help justify a pattern being moved
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RESOLUTION: ISSUE-61 closed with enclosed proposal to mark all basic patterns as "at risk"
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Topic: Example Schemas from HL7 and Origo
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gcowe: Origo patterns all raised as issues
14:39:14 [pauld]
pauld: concerned about HL7 (and other verticals) not submitting "patterns"
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gcowe: test tools may throw out some patterns
14:40:15 [pauld]
pauld: once we have a validation, people will try their own schemas out, which may lead to more patterns being collected
14:41:07 [pauld]
pauld: we also have a set of schemas collected from the wild in Henry's schema collection which I have a copy (status of this unknown)
14:42:06 [pauld]
pauld: concern in general we're not going to cover all patterns in general use
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jonc: publishing may flush more out
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pauld: publishing something incomplete as Last Call
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WS_DBWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Jon_Calladine, pauld, otu?, gcowe, Yves, Ajith, [IPcaller]
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate pauld
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rrsagent, make logs public
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rrsagent, byt
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'byt', pauld. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in :
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ACTION: pdowney to send mail to clarify how we're working re ISSUE-58 [1]
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