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13:43:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DBWG
13:43:20 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WS_DBWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes
13:43:21 <trackbot> Meeting: Databinding WG Teleconference
13:43:21 <trackbot> Date: 30 May 2006
13:48:50 <pauld> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2006May/0051.html
13:48:55 <pauld> Chair: pauld
13:48:59 <pauld> Scribe: pauld
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13:59:29 <Zakim> +??P14
13:59:42 <Zakim> +??P16
14:00:11 <Zakim> +Jon_Calladine
14:00:40 <pauld> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:00:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P14, ??P16, Jon_Calladine
14:00:47 <pauld> zakim, code?
14:00:47 <Zakim> the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), pauld
14:00:54 <Zakim> +??P20
14:00:56 <Zakim> -??P20
14:00:57 <Zakim> +??P20
14:01:09 <pauld> zakim, who is making noise?
14:01:19 <Zakim> pauld, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P14 (81%), ??P20 (34%)
14:01:47 <pauld> zakim, ??P20 is me
14:01:47 <Zakim> +pauld; got it
14:02:24 <pauld> zakim, ??P14 is probably otu
14:02:24 <Zakim> +otu?; got it
14:02:29 <pauld> zakim mute, otu
14:02:39 <pauld> zakim, mute otu
14:02:39 <Zakim> otu? should now be muted
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14:03:33 <pauld> zakim, ??P16 is gcowe
14:03:33 <Zakim> +gcowe; got it
14:03:53 <pauld> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:03:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see otu? (muted), gcowe, Jon_Calladine, pauld
14:05:12 <Zakim> +Yves
14:06:12 <pauld> zakim, unmute otu
14:06:12 <Zakim> otu? should no longer be muted
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14:08:23 <pauld> Topic: Admin
14:08:48 <pauld> pauld: lines up meeting for next week, BT will all be in a room monday
14:09:17 <pauld> Topic: ISSUE-52: identify patterns with URIs
14:09:35 <pauld> yves: will ping DanC re a microformat for GRDDL
14:10:19 <pauld> yves: on holiday next week, but will monitor email!
14:10:41 <pauld> yves: generation of XSD and WSDL still outstanding
14:10:48 <pauld> pauld: may pick up this work
14:11:00 <JonC> Colombo House, 50 - 60 Blackfriars Road SE1 8NZ but contact paul and myself if you want to attend
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14:12:15 <pauld> yves: had to do some cvs fixup following generating spurious directories, so refresh your cvs images
14:12:36 <pauld> Topic: ISSSUE-12: identifying a conformant schema
14:13:07 <pauld> gcowe: haven't spent too much time on this, but working on the schematron and the catch-all to go
14:13:34 <JonC> f2f at Colombo House, 50 - 60 Blackfriars Road, SE1 8NZ
14:13:36 <pauld> .. trying to get Mark's time, busy this week 
14:15:22 <pauld> Topic: ISSUE-58: anonymous complexType
14:15:42 <pauld> pauld: raised against advanced by accident rather than design
14:16:47 <pauld> pauld: concerned at this point that people don't understand how we're working
14:17:11 <pauld> .. if a pattern isn't in the Basic patterns document, it isn't a Basic pattern
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14:17:56 <pauld> pauld: people should realise that if they expect their schemas to be Basic Patterns compliant, then they need to submit them
14:18:15 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:18:35 <Ajith> +[IPCaller] is ajith
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14:19:58 <pauld> pauld: sees another issue, how do we know when we're done
14:20:18 <pauld> ACTION: pdowney to send mail to clarify how we're working re ISSUE-58
14:20:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-42 - Send mail to clarify how we\'re working re ISSUE-58 [on Paul Downey - due 2006-06-06].
14:20:38 <pauld> Topic: ISSUE-12 (again)
14:20:55 <pauld> pauld: Ajith has joined
14:24:36 <pauld> pauld: george and I picking up detection work
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14:25:13 <pauld> .. would like Tungsten to become an leading example on how databinding toolkits may use our testsuite
14:25:20 <pauld> ajith: happy to help
14:25:41 <Zakim> -Ajith
14:25:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:26:34 <pauld> Topic: ISSUE-61: Movement of Patterns between Basic and Advanced Specifications
14:26:55 <pauld> pauld: created from discussion at F2F
14:27:46 <pauld> proposal is to mark all Basic patterns at risk of being moved to advanced
14:28:22 <Ajith> things seem to break up once in a while
14:28:51 <pauld> and Advanced patterns may be moved to Basic (depending upon timing)
14:31:45 <pauld> ajith: do you want to document the criteria for moving between advanced and basic?
14:32:07 <pauld> pauld: yes, it has to work with all "mainstream" toolkits, which is a value judgement
14:34:19 <pauld> jonc: CR testing will help justify a pattern being moved
14:34:53 <pauld> RESOLUTION: ISSUE-61 closed with enclosed proposal to mark all basic patterns as "at risk"
14:37:45 <pauld> Topic: Example Schemas from HL7 and Origo
14:38:11 <pauld> gcowe: Origo patterns all raised as issues
14:39:14 <pauld> pauld: concerned about HL7 (and other verticals) not submitting "patterns"
14:39:27 <pauld> gcowe: test tools may throw out some patterns
14:40:15 <pauld> pauld: once we have a validation, people will try their own schemas out, which may lead to more patterns being collected
14:41:07 <pauld> pauld: we also have a set of schemas collected from the wild in Henry's schema collection which I have a copy (status of this unknown)
14:42:06 <pauld> pauld: concern in general we're not going to cover all patterns in general use
14:42:20 <pauld> jonc: publishing may flush more out
14:42:34 <pauld> pauld: publishing something incomplete as Last Call
14:43:23 <Zakim> -otu?
14:44:46 <Zakim> -pauld
14:44:48 <Zakim> -Jon_Calladine
14:44:48 <Zakim> -Yves
14:44:49 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
14:44:50 <Zakim> -gcowe
14:44:52 <Zakim> WS_DBWG()10:00AM has ended
14:44:53 <Zakim> Attendees were Jon_Calladine, pauld, otu?, gcowe, Yves, Ajith, [IPcaller]
14:45:00 <pauld> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:45:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/30-databinding-minutes.html pauld
14:45:08 <pauld> rrsagent, make logs public
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19:19:21 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/30-databinding-actions.rdf :
19:19:21 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pdowney to send mail to clarify how we're working re ISSUE-58 [1]
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