IRC log of ua on 2006-05-25

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17:49:50 [jallan]

Meeting: UAWG Teleconference 25 May 2006

17:55:33 [jallan]

zakim, this will be wai_u

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ok, jallan; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

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WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started

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+Jim_Allan

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+[IBM]

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18:02:28 [JR]

Scribe: JR

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Chair: Jim Allan

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Regrets: Cathy Laws

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Topic: WCAG comments

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JA: Will right something up for programmatically determined.

18:04:22 [jallan]

JR: Programmatically Determined:

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determined by software from data provided in a user-agent-supported

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[implemented by user agents and assistive technologies] manner such that

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the user agents [any software that retrieves and renders Web content for

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users] can extract and present this information to users in different

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modalities

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This may be more clear:

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Available in a user-agent-supported [implemented by user agents and

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assistive technologies] manner that supports unambiguous automatic

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processing by user agents [any software that retrieves and renders Web

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content for users].

18:05:45 [JR]

(Context, this is a proposal JR sent to JA last week that JA has just pasted in)

18:08:25 [jallan]

JA: revision: Available in a user-agent-supported [implemented by user agents and

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assistive technologies] manner that supports unambiguous automatic

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processing by user agents [any software that retrieves and renders Web

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content for users] for presentation to users in different modalities.

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(context: JA pastes in his newer version)

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cleaner - Available in a user-agent-supported manner that supports unambiguous automatic

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processing by user agents for presentation to users in different modalities.

18:09:23 [JR]

JA: Can live with this.

18:09:27 [JR]

JR: So can I

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Peter: So can I

18:10:10 [jallan]

action: JA to contact CL about change of definition vs. change all sc in wcag

18:10:13 [JR]

Peter: Prob can expect better reception from WCAG than suggesting changes to lots of success criteria

18:10:42 [JR]

Topic: WCAG 3.2.3

18:10:43 [jallan]

3.2.2 Changing the setting of any form control or field does not automatically cause a change of context (beyond moving to the next field in tab order) unless the authored unit contains instructions before the control that describe the behavior. [How to meet 3.2.2]

18:10:44 [jallan]

18:12:16 [JR]

JA: Statement "(beyond moving to the next field in tab order)" should be removed since it undermines the whole thing

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JR: Agreed

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Peter: So why did they do it?

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Peter: Perhaps there are situations eg phone numbers with a known number of digits.

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JA: If that clause is removed then it makes sense

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JR, perter: Agreed

18:31:01 [Zakim]

-[IBM]

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-??P2

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-Jim_Allan

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WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended

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Attendees were Jim_Allan, [IBM]

18:31:24 [JR]

RRSAgent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/25-ua-minutes.html JR

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RRSAgent, set logs public

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Zakim, bye

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/25-ua-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: JA to contact CL about change of definition vs. change all sc in wcag [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/25-ua-irc#T18-10-10