14:38:33 RRSAgent has joined #rif 14:38:33 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/05/23-rif-irc 14:38:41 rrsagent, make logs public 14:38:47 zakim, this will be rif 14:38:47 ok, ChrisW; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 22 minutes 14:50:31 FrankMcCabe has joined #rif 14:51:28 StanDevitt has joined #rif 14:53:48 SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started 14:53:54 +Sandro 14:55:23 DavidHirtle has joined #rif 14:55:53 LeoraMorgenstern has joined #rif 14:57:38 +[IBM] 14:57:40 josb has joined #rif 14:57:52 zakim, [ibm] is temporarily me 14:57:52 +ChrisW; got it 14:58:07 Harold has joined #rif 14:58:33 +[Fujitsu] 14:58:37 patranja has joined #rif 14:58:48 zakim, fujitsu is me 14:58:48 +FrankMcCabe; got it 14:59:30 +??P3 14:59:50 +[NRCC] 15:00:01 zakim, [NRCC] is me 15:00:01 +Harold; got it 15:00:02 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:00:02 On the phone I see Sandro, ChrisW, FrankMcCabe, josb, Harold 15:00:18 igor has joined #rif 15:00:24 +Stan_Devitt 15:00:38 +PaulaP 15:00:58 +Igor_Mozetic 15:01:05 zakim, mute me 15:01:05 Igor_Mozetic should now be muted 15:01:32 +David_Hirtle 15:01:45 zakim, who is talking? 15:01:57 ChrisW, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (19%), ChrisW (22%), Stan_Devitt (8%) 15:02:31 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:02:31 On the phone I see Sandro, ChrisW, FrankMcCabe, josb, Harold, Stan_Devitt, PaulaP (muted), Igor_Mozetic (muted), David_Hirtle 15:02:42 MichaelKifer has joined #rif 15:03:13 zakim, stan_devitt is standevitt 15:03:13 +standevitt; got it 15:03:22 zakim, mute standevitt 15:03:22 standevitt should now be muted 15:03:43 +Leora_Morgenstern 15:03:56 zakim, please mute me 15:03:56 Leora_Morgenstern should now be muted 15:04:39 MalaMehrotra has joined #rif 15:04:41 +[IPcaller] 15:04:42 scribenick: harold 15:04:53 -josb 15:04:56 +??P24 15:05:21 IPCaller is MichaelKifer 15:05:25 SaidTabet has joined #RIF 15:05:28 zakim, who is talking? 15:05:38 sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (7%), ChrisW (48%), [IPcaller] (6%), ??P24 (60%) 15:05:44 zakim, IPCaller is MichaelKifer 15:05:44 +MichaelKifer; got it 15:05:45 + +1.408.564.aaaa 15:05:46 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006May/att-0229/09-rif-minutes.xml 15:05:53 zakim, mute me 15:05:53 MichaelKifer should now be muted 15:05:53 zakim, mute ??P24 15:05:54 ??P24 should now be muted 15:06:52 #41 15:06:53 AxelPolleres has joined #rif 15:07:10 +Axel_Polleres 15:07:15 +Said_Tabet 15:07:21 zakim, who is here? 15:07:21 On the phone I see Sandro, ChrisW, FrankMcCabe, Harold, standevitt (muted), PaulaP (muted), Igor_Mozetic (muted), David_Hirtle, Leora_Morgenstern (muted), MichaelKifer (muted), 15:07:23 zakim, mute me 15:07:25 Said_Tabet should now be muted 15:07:26 ... ??P24 (muted), +1.408.564.aaaa, Axel_Polleres, Said_Tabet 15:07:27 On IRC I see AxelPolleres, SaidTabet, MalaMehrotra, MichaelKifer, igor, PaulaP, Harold, josb, LeoraMorgenstern, DavidHirtle, StanDevitt, FrankMcCabe, RRSAgent, Zakim, ChrisW, 15:07:29 ... sandro, Keeper 15:07:43 +??P25 15:07:45 zakim, aaaa is Mala 15:07:45 +Mala; got it 15:07:54 zakim, unmute ??p24 15:07:54 ??P24 should no longer be muted 15:08:15 Stella_Mitchell has joined #rif 15:08:48 zakim, who is muted? 15:08:48 I see standevitt, PaulaP, Igor_Mozetic, Leora_Morgenstern, MichaelKifer, ??P24, Axel_Polleres, Said_Tabet, josb muted 15:08:58 zakim, ??P24 is Hassan 15:08:58 +Hassan; got it 15:09:02 +[IBM] 15:09:08 +Evan_Wallace 15:09:22 Minutes May 9th accepted 15:09:34 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006May/att-0185/rif-minutes-2006-05-16.html 15:10:00 Minutes May 16th accepted 15:10:40 no updates 15:10:42 no news, everything on track I guess. 15:11:06 csma has joined #rif 15:11:54 Uli has joined #rif 15:12:51 +??P28 15:13:07 zakim, ??P28 is uli 15:13:07 +uli; got it 15:13:11 EKW has joined #rif 15:13:34 + +68006aabb 15:13:45 zakim, aabb is me 15:13:45 +csma; got it 15:13:53 zakim, mute me 15:13:53 csma should now be muted 15:14:01 q+ 15:14:25 StanDevitt2 has joined #rif 15:14:28 PaulV has joined #RIF 15:15:14 NOTE: Jos DeRoo has checked for DAWG participation. No other members currently attend both calls. 15:15:29 ack me 15:15:32 zakim, unmute me 15:15:32 csma was not muted, csma 15:15:34 the action of Allen is done 15:15:40 zakim, mute me 15:15:40 csma should now be muted 15:15:50 +??P27 15:16:01 Paula is right (about Allen's question being done) 15:16:15 Action 19 COMPLETED (by Gary Hallmark) 15:16:50 +Gary_Hallmark 15:17:12 q+ 15:17:14 Re DAWG coordination, will probably need to draw issues to the atttention of the DAWG chair(s) 15:17:35 q? 15:18:40 zakim, unmute me 15:18:40 csma should no longer be muted 15:18:52 zakim, aaa is malamehrota 15:18:52 sorry, ChrisW, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa' 15:18:57 zakim, aaaa is malamehrota 15:18:57 sorry, ChrisW, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa' 15:19:03 zakim, mute me 15:19:03 csma should now be muted 15:19:05 q+ 15:19:25 ack ??P24 15:19:47 GaryHallmark has joined #rif 15:19:52 unmuting is 63# 15:20:11 Discussion about soundness. 15:20:15 zakim, who is here? 15:20:15 On the phone I see Sandro, ChrisW, FrankMcCabe, Harold, standevitt (muted), PaulaP (muted), Igor_Mozetic (muted), David_Hirtle, Leora_Morgenstern (muted), MichaelKifer (muted), 15:20:19 ... Hassan (muted), Mala, Axel_Polleres (muted), Said_Tabet (muted), josb (muted), [IBM] (muted), Evan_Wallace, uli (muted), csma (muted), PaulV, Gary_Hallmark 15:20:21 Deborah_Nichols has joined #rif 15:20:22 On IRC I see GaryHallmark, PaulV, StanDevitt2, EKW, Uli, csma, Stella_Mitchell, AxelPolleres, SaidTabet, MalaMehrotra, MichaelKifer, igor, PaulaP, Harold, josb, LeoraMorgenstern, 15:20:24 ... DavidHirtle, StanDevitt, FrankMcCabe, RRSAgent, Zakim, ChrisW, sandro, Keeper 15:20:27 No, AxelPolleres Unmute is 61# 15:20:32 No, AxelPolleres Unmute is 60# 15:20:36 (D'oh!) 15:20:41 +Deborah_Nichols 15:22:01 q? 15:22:07 ack harold 15:22:14 ack aaaa 15:22:37 ack csma 15:22:54 ack +1408 15:23:03 ack aaa 15:23:06 ack aaaa 15:23:13 Hassan has joined #rif 15:23:54 ack 15:23:58 q? 15:24:08 ack +1.408.564.aaaa 15:24:48 zakim, mute me 15:24:48 csma should now be muted 15:25:29 Sandro and Harold: Our notion of soundness seems to be slightly more general than the one in (Lloyd 87). 15:26:11 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006May/0209.html 15:26:18 for Allen's action 15:26:55 thanks 15:27:13 Frank and Paula's GCR document: So far little feedback. 15:27:35 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006May/att-0188/RIF_requirements.png 15:27:36 -csma 15:27:40 csma has left #rif 15:27:42 there's frank's diagram 15:27:52 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006May/att-0188/RIF_requirements.png 15:28:41 the option with mail is fine, or no.... 15:29:30 q? 15:29:38 SaidTabet has joined #RIF 15:29:59 zakim [ibm] is probably StellaMitchell 15:30:09 zakim, [ibm] is probably StellaMitchell 15:30:09 +StellaMitchell?; got it 15:30:17 Evan and Sandro like Frank's diagram. 15:30:41 q+ 15:30:58 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006May/0198.html 15:31:05 Paula solicits feedback on her email on Current list of reqs and des. princ. 15:31:10 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006May/0197.html 15:31:13 RIFRAF discussion 15:31:20 ack axel 15:32:48 I preceeded all my concrete comments on RIFRAF with "--> comment axel:" in the mail, 15:33:51 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006May/0232.html 15:33:52 Actions completed by Peter, Hassan, Axel, Paula. 15:34:22 New Action for Harold: Respond to Axel. 15:34:51 Action completed by Jos DeRoo re DAWG interaction 15:35:07 q+ 15:35:34 zakim, who is here? 15:35:34 On the phone I see Sandro, ChrisW, FrankMcCabe, Harold, standevitt (muted), PaulaP, Igor_Mozetic (muted), David_Hirtle, Leora_Morgenstern (muted), MichaelKifer (muted), Hassan, 15:35:37 ... Mala, Axel_Polleres (muted), Said_Tabet (muted), josb (muted), StellaMitchell? (muted), Evan_Wallace, uli (muted), PaulV, Gary_Hallmark, Deborah_Nichols (muted) 15:35:40 On IRC I see SaidTabet, Hassan, Deborah_Nichols, GaryHallmark, PaulV, StanDevitt2, EKW, Uli, Stella_Mitchell, AxelPolleres, MalaMehrotra, MichaelKifer, igor, PaulaP, Harold, josb, 15:35:42 ... LeoraMorgenstern, DavidHirtle, StanDevitt, FrankMcCabe, RRSAgent, Zakim, ChrisW, sandro, Keeper 15:36:52 zakim, StellaMitchell is Stella_Mitchell 15:36:52 +Stella_Mitchell; got it 15:37:03 +1 to Hassan's proposal 15:37:05 +1 to set RIFRAF subcommittee atf2f3 15:37:08 q- 15:37:18 Hassan: Besides responding to shortcomings to the current RIFRAF, we should also extend it. 15:37:25 -Said_Tabet 15:37:48 Will be a topic of F2F3. 15:38:16 Discussion on Technical Design. 15:40:40 Chris: The chairs have polled the group about the Extensible Design: it should now be used as a working syntax. 15:40:45 My action on this continued. 15:40:51 zakim, unmute me 15:40:51 MichaelKifer should no longer be muted 15:40:56 q+ 15:42:04 Chris and Sandro: Mappings from other languages to the Condition Language should be attempted. 15:43:03 The emails by Peter and Gerd amount to a SWRL mapping. 15:43:19 q- 15:43:25 zakim, mute me 15:43:25 MichaelKifer should now be muted 15:44:19 q+ 15:44:29 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:44:29 On the phone I see Sandro, ChrisW, FrankMcCabe, Harold, StanDevitt2 (muted), PaulaP (muted), Igor_Mozetic (muted), David_Hirtle, Leora_Morgenstern (muted), MichaelKifer (muted), 15:44:32 ... Hassan, Mala, Axel_Polleres (muted), josb (muted), Stella_Mitchell (muted), Evan_Wallace, uli (muted), PaulV, Gary_Hallmark, Deborah_Nichols (muted) 15:44:42 Chris: Would be nice to have Production Rules mapped both to RIFRAF and to Condition Language. 15:45:34 Hassan: Already did Production Rules (of ILOG) in RIFRAF. 15:46:03 Mapping goes not to surface syntax but directly to the XML level. 15:46:16 +1 15:46:34 q+ 15:47:14 Hassan: What about features that are not currently in the (XML element) core? 15:47:26 Chris: Comment on what features are missing. 15:47:49 q- 15:48:19 ack harold 15:48:33 +1 to entereing mappings on Wiki, but should also be sent by mail 15:49:27 Chris: Identify where mapping cannot be done is important as where it can. 15:49:39 Rete 15:50:24 Paul and Gary: Hassan is speaking for Oracle and Fair Isaac. 15:51:20 ... when he shows what can be done for Production Rules with the Extensible Design. 15:52:08 +1 15:52:11 +1 15:52:13 No other business. 15:52:18 -Evan_Wallace 15:52:19 -Igor_Mozetic 15:52:20 -Mala 15:52:21 -josb 15:52:22 - 15:52:22 -Deborah_Nichols 15:52:24 -uli 15:52:25 -David_Hirtle 15:52:26 -Gary_Hallmark 15:52:28 -FrankMcCabe 15:52:28 -StanDevitt 15:52:30 -Hassan 15:52:31 -Stella_Mitchell 15:52:32 -MichaelKifer 15:52:34 -Leora_Morgenstern 15:52:36 -Axel_Polleres 15:52:37 -StanDevitt2 15:52:38 MichaelKifer has joined #rif 15:52:38 -PaulV 15:52:39 -PaulaP 15:52:41 -StanDevitt2 15:52:41 rrsagent, make minutes 15:52:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/23-rif-minutes.html ChrisW 15:52:43 bye 15:55:40 -Harold 15:57:35 -Sandro 15:57:36 -ChrisW 15:57:36 SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended 15:57:37 Attendees were Sandro, ChrisW, FrankMcCabe, josb, Harold, PaulaP, Igor_Mozetic, David_Hirtle, Leora_Morgenstern, MichaelKifer, +1.408.564.aaaa, Axel_Polleres, Said_Tabet, Mala, 15:57:42 ... 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