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13:32:53 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS working group
13:32:55 <fsasaki> chair: Yves
13:32:58 <fsasaki> scribe: Felid
13:33:10 <fsasaki> s/Felid/Felix/
13:33:14 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
13:33:53 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0064.html
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13:41:35 <YvesS> Hello Zakim!
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13:46:48 <fsasaki> Hi yves
13:47:29 <YvesS> Hi Felix
13:49:01 <fsasaki> I was wondering how long you want to edit the requirements and "best practices" document. Would it be o.k. if I take over on Thursday evening (Japanese time)?
13:49:08 <fsasaki> i.e, the xml sources
13:49:30 <fsasaki> for the publication preparation
13:50:04 <YvesS> Thursday that is tomorrow?
13:50:10 <fsasaki> yes
13:50:24 <YvesS> no problem with the Reqs.
13:50:30 <fsasaki> o.k.
13:50:54 <fsasaki> oh, I saw that there are no "modularization" section in "BP" yet
13:51:09 <YvesS> I may be able to work a bit more on the "BP", but I'm not sure, how useful it would be.
13:51:54 <fsasaki> I think it would be great to have the modularization sections. Do you think that is doable? Could I help?
13:51:56 <YvesS> BTW: I'm gone to Paris (immigration visa for Bea + familly visit) from tomorrow to monday. no email contact.
13:52:22 <YvesS> The modularizations are there (at least the 3 first)
13:52:42 <fsasaki> oh, I see. I will be on the plan on Monday morning, so the last day I can edit / do mail is Sunday evening
13:53:08 <YvesS> see http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#Modularization
13:53:41 <YvesS> ok, then it make sense to hand you over the BP as well.
13:53:41 <fsasaki> oh, great. Sorry, I had not seen them.
13:54:09 <YvesS> That means I need to give you all that before tomorrow my time.
13:54:23 <YvesS> I'll do it after the call.
13:54:29 <fsasaki> one last question: Could you also give me the stylesheets and everything Richard gave you, for both documents? Just to make sure that I'm using the same XSLT / CSS
13:54:36 <fsasaki> tx
13:54:59 <YvesS> sure. I'll make two zip one for the Req and one for the BP.
13:55:07 <fsasaki> thanks
13:55:44 <YvesS> I've seen Goutam's email. Is there a big difference between "may or may not" and "might"?
13:56:13 <fsasaki> I don't think so, so I'm fine with the change
13:56:46 <fsasaki> btw., would it be o.k. to add docbook to the modularizations?
13:56:53 <YvesS> we should do it for all then.
13:57:45 <YvesS> docbook... the problem is the withinText part: it's huge and I had no time to do that list yet. The rest should be pretty much ok.
13:58:08 <YvesS> but it's still not in the BP yet.
13:58:16 <fsasaki> o.k., I'll have a look. Maybe we can talk about it briefly at the call
13:58:21 <YvesS> ok
13:58:31 <fsasaki> I would integrate it then, if that's o.k. with you
13:58:46 <YvesS> ok
13:59:53 <fsasaki> btw., did you see the mail from Sebastian: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0082.html ? maybe we can talk about it briefly as well
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14:04:05 <fsasaki> regrets: Richard, Andrzej, Christian (maybe late)
14:04:34 <fsasaki> topic: action items
14:05:11 <fsasaki> action: all to review the xs:annotation elements in http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/its.xsd (ONGOING)
14:05:36 <fsasaki> action: Felix (possibly others) to look on the issue of xml:base, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0156.html (DONE)
14:06:24 <fsasaki> yves: xml:base is covered by xlink, so we don't need a direct reference
14:06:39 <fsasaki> .. does xml:base look like xml:lang?
14:08:06 <fsasaki> felix: very similar
14:08:17 <fsasaki> sebastian: TEI does not use xml:base either
14:08:50 <fsasaki> action: Felix to add time stamps to the examples in the specification (ONGOING)
14:09:20 <fsasaki> sebastian: timestamps are just for internal use, not for the final document
14:09:39 <fsasaki> action: Yves to post a mail with the proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0156.html (DONE)
14:09:57 <fsasaki> yves: everybody fine with the new title, so we use it.
14:10:06 <fsasaki> action: Yves to post his thoughts on Jerry's comments on the member list. (DONE)
14:10:56 <fsasaki> action: Yves to post a mail with the proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0156.html (DONE)
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14:11:11 <fsasaki> yves: felix started implementing that in the tagset draft
14:11:42 <fsasaki> yves: as for Jerry's comment and my reply, any opinions?
14:12:54 <fsasaki> .. the only change I would make: the terminology for the "translate" attribute
14:13:05 <fsasaki> .. it is more than "translatable" rather than "translate"
14:13:56 <fsasaki> felix: how about the terminology "localizability"
14:14:41 <fsasaki> yves: if it could do s.t. against the concerns of Jerry or others
14:15:32 <fsasaki> sebastian: jerry wants better semantics for the markup, but that's hard to achieve
14:16:11 <fsasaki> .. ITS is s.t. not for typical authors, rather for technical people
14:16:48 <fsasaki> action: yves to send the reply to Jerry's comment
14:17:00 <fsasaki> action: All to try out the "translate" test case to achieve compatibility of output (PENDING)
14:17:11 <fsasaki> action: Christian and Felix to finish the text for the inclusion issue (DONE)
14:17:32 <fsasaki> action: Felix to check how license should be handled in the schema. (PENDING)
14:17:51 <fsasaki> felix: I contacted some people, no reply yet
14:18:02 <fsasaki> action: Sebastian and Yves to work on integration of modularization section into best practices document
14:18:24 <fsasaki> s/practices document/practices document (DONE)/
14:18:53 <fsasaki> yves: felix wanted to have docbook as a modularization as well. The "within text" is not finished yet
14:19:03 <fsasaki> .. it is very hard to do for docbook
14:19:37 <fsasaki> sebastian: just say that these examples are illustrations
14:20:19 <fsasaki> action: felix to add a sentence on "these examples are illustrative" to the modularization section
14:20:40 <fsasaki> yves: I'll send felix the HTML file of docbook
14:21:49 <fsasaki> action: Sebastian to get rid of "empties" from generated schema (DONE)
14:23:12 <fsasaki> topic: having not more than one rules element per document
14:23:19 <fsasaki> felix: is that constraint necessary?
14:23:42 <fsasaki> sebastian: you may have several rules elements per document, for embedding 
14:24:09 <fsasaki> .. there is a lack of parallelism: you can have several rules with pointing, but not with adding in one doc
14:24:22 <fsasaki> yves: we had a problem with the version conflicts
14:24:45 <fsasaki> sebastian: you could say if you have element that must not have different versions
14:25:56 <fsasaki> .. felix could change the text like that
14:25:59 <fsasaki> yves: any other problems?
14:26:05 <fsasaki> felix: the precedence between rules?
14:26:16 <fsasaki> yves: can be solved by merging them in document order
14:27:10 <fsasaki> felix: paragraph about rules: http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset-diff-20060414.html#selection-global
14:28:39 <fsasaki> sebastian: felix, make sure that the URI for the BP document is the right one 
14:30:03 <fsasaki> felix: will do
14:31:34 <fsasaki> yves: as fur the rules: everybody o.k. to allow them?
14:32:34 <fsasaki> action: sebastian to make a reword of the paragraph on the change of the "not more than one rules element" requirement
14:33:00 <fsasaki> topic: last call decision
14:33:16 <fsasaki> yves: we have to decide this week
14:34:51 <fsasaki> .. everybody fine with that?
14:35:05 <fsasaki> .. people who don't agree should write a mail until Friday
14:36:30 <fsasaki> topic: requirements document
14:36:45 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/requirements/Overview.html
14:37:35 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html
14:37:37 <fsasaki> s/requirements document/requirements document and best practices document/
14:37:48 <fsasaki> yves: both documents are not last call docs
14:38:00 <fsasaki> .. if you have problems, please mention that before Friday
14:40:46 <fsasaki> felix: we need a transition request for the "best practices" doc, could you send a mail to the list?
14:40:51 <fsasaki> yves: will do
14:41:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
14:42:46 <fsasaki> present: Diane, Felix, Sebastian, Yves
14:42:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
14:43:09 <fsasaki> topic: next call
14:43:15 <fsasaki> yves: next week, same time
14:44:22 <Zakim> -Sebastian_Rahtz
14:44:26 <Zakim> -Felix
14:44:28 <Zakim> -Yves
14:44:30 <fsasaki> .. regrets from sebastian and felix
14:44:30 <Zakim> -Diane_Stoick
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14:44:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
14:44:32 <Zakim> Attendees were Yves, Felix, Sebastian_Rahtz, Diane_Stoick
14:45:00 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started
14:45:07 <Zakim> +??P0
14:45:18 <fsasaki> zakim, dial felix-home
14:45:18 <Zakim> ok, fsasaki; the call is being made
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14:45:23 <Zakim> -??P0
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14:45:43 <fsasaki> christian? ruf doch mal an
14:46:35 <Zakim> +??P0
14:47:21 <Zakim> -Felix
14:47:27 <fsasaki> zakim, dial felix-home
14:47:27 <Zakim> ok, fsasaki; the call is being made
14:47:28 <Zakim> +Felix
14:53:19 <Zakim> +Yves
14:54:24 <fsasaki> topic: discussion on "more than one rules element" (with christian)
14:54:34 <fsasaki> present: Chrisitan, Diane, Felix, Sebastian, Yves
14:54:44 <fsasaki> yves summarizes the discussion
14:54:56 <fsasaki> christian: when would you have one than more rules element?
14:55:13 <fsasaki> yves: if you want to split them in various parts, or have inclusion (or not)
14:55:16 <fsasaki> christian: great
14:55:43 <fsasaki> sebastian's text proposal:
14:55:44 <fsasaki> "If there is more than one <rules> element in an XML document,
14:55:44 <fsasaki> the rules from each section are to be processed at the
14:55:44 <fsasaki> same precedence level. The <rules> sections are to be read in document
14:55:44 <fsasaki> order, and the ITS rules with them processed sequentially."
14:56:28 <fsasaki> felix: we need the text on "there MUST be the same version"
14:56:34 <fsasaki> christian: fine with that
14:56:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
15:00:38 <Zakim> -Yves
15:00:38 <Zakim> -Felix
15:02:25 <Zakim> -??P0
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15:02:31 <Zakim> Attendees were Felix, Yves
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15:17:22 <YvesS> Hi Goutam,
15:18:06 <fsasaki> hi goutam
15:18:26 <YvesS> I'm afraid, the agenda was incorrect with the time: I probably made the mistake of using a template of a email of the winter hours. Sorry.
15:18:45 <YvesS> We discussed your feedback: and agreed to make the changes.
15:19:11 <YvesS> from "may or may not" to "might"
15:23:02 <fsasaki> yves? sorry, but the transition request for the best practices document has to be send on Friday, otherwise there is not enough time. sorry, but Could you send another mail?
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15:57:50 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
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15:57:54 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
15:57:54 <RRSAgent> I see 14 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-actions.rdf :
15:57:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: all to review the xs:annotation elements in http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/its.xsd (ONGOING) [1]
15:57:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-irc#T14-05-11
15:57:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix (possibly others) to look on the issue of xml:base, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0156.html (DONE) [2]
15:57:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-irc#T14-05-36
15:57:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to add time stamps to the examples in the specification (ONGOING) [3]
15:57:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-irc#T14-08-50
15:57:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to post a mail with the proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0156.html (DONE) [4]
15:57:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-irc#T14-09-39
15:57:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to post his thoughts on Jerry's comments on the member list. (DONE) [5]
15:57:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-irc#T14-10-06
15:57:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to post a mail with the proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0156.html (DONE) [6]
15:57:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-irc#T14-10-56
15:57:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: yves to send the reply to Jerry's comment [7]
15:57:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-irc#T14-16-48
15:57:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: All to try out the "translate" test case to achieve compatibility of output (PENDING) [8]
15:57:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-irc#T14-17-00
15:57:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Christian and Felix to finish the text for the inclusion issue (DONE) [9]
15:57:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-irc#T14-17-11
15:57:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to check how license should be handled in the schema. (PENDING) [10]
15:57:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-irc#T14-17-32
15:57:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sebastian and Yves to work on integration of modularization section into best practices document [11]
15:57:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-irc#T14-18-02
15:57:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: felix to add a sentence on "these examples are illustrative" to the modularization section [12]
15:57:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-irc#T14-20-19
15:57:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sebastian to get rid of "empties" from generated schema (DONE) [13]
15:57:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-irc#T14-21-49
15:57:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sebastian to make a reword of the paragraph on the change of the "not more than one rules element" requirement [14]
15:57:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-i18nits-irc#T14-32-34