IRC log of er on 2006-05-10

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13:53:56 [Zakim]
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13:54:04 [shadi]
zakim, this will be ert
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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
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meeting: ERT WG
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chair: Shadi
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regrets: David
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006May/0031.html
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agenda+ WCAG 2.0: "test case" and "test requirement" revival?
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agenda+ WCAG 2.0: blanket statements
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agenda+ Continuing WCAG 2.0 review
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agenda+ URI-in-RDF vs single URI
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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
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+Shadi
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+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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+[IPcaller]
14:02:05 [shadi]
zakim, ipcaller is really Chris
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+Chris; got it
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+CarlosI
14:03:46 [ChrisR]
zakim, scribe ChrisR
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I don't understand 'scribe ChrisR', ChrisR
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scribe: ChrisR
14:05:34 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "WCAG 2.0: "test case" and "test requirement" revival?" taken up [from shadi]
14:08:37 [ChrisR]
SAZ: model of WCAG2 under discussion with regard with EARL
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CR: tests are 'sufficient' not 'required' so not sure how this will impact on EARL
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SAZ: there is a heirarchy with guideline, SC and techniques/tests
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SAZ: what about test case language needed in addition to EARL?
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JK: relationships between test requirements and actual tests need to be described - EARL or something else
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SAZ: at last FTF we decided that we wanted to keep test description language seperate from EARL
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SAZ: should not make EARL specific to WCAG2, must keep open
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JK: EARL reports just say pass/fail, not a relationship between tests and guidelines
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Resolution: relationships between tests and success criteria are not to be modelled in EARL but in a test case description language
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zakim, close agendum 1
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agendum 1, WCAG 2.0: "test case" and "test requirement" revival?, closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. WCAG 2.0: blanket statements [from shadi]
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "WCAG 2.0: blanket statements" taken up [from shadi]
14:20:43 [ChrisR]
CI: key question is blanket statements - allow or not?
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CI: conformance claim is a result of blanket statements
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SAZ: advantage is more compact EARL reports, disadvantage is less precision
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CI: blanket statements are more useful, just level of detail that you need.
14:24:03 [ChrisR]
JK: is need of compact reports requirement of EARL?
14:24:27 [ChrisR]
CI: More detail is useful for some people, not all
14:25:32 [ChrisR]
SAZ: EARL is really for machines, not people (exchanging info between tools)
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(discussion of how EARL used by project managers, web services etc.)
14:40:04 [ChrisR]
CI: people who work in validation need to specify entire domains and subdomains
14:42:27 [JohannesK]
I think the only thing you can really do is something like http://*example.org/*
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or http://www.example.org/foo*
14:44:34 [JohannesK]
some CMSes create URLs like http://www.example.org/?id=938658
14:54:38 [shadi]
action: CarlosI look at RDF-CL vocabulary for describing groups of Web pages or parts of Web sites etc, and report back to ERT WG (hopefully with some examples)
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action: Shadi ping DominiqueH about the QA Test Case Description Language
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zakim, close agendum 2
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agendum 2, WCAG 2.0: blanket statements, closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. Continuing WCAG 2.0 review [from shadi]
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zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "Continuing WCAG 2.0 review" taken up [from shadi]
14:57:43 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/conformance
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/baseline/
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-Chris
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action: everyone read these two documents about baselines (and also conformance) and send message to the ERT list
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-Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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-Shadi
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next meeting: 17 May
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zakim, drop carlos
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CarlosI is being disconnected
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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Shadi, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Chris, CarlosI
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-er-minutes.html shadi
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-er-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: CarlosI look at RDF-CL vocabulary for describing groups of Web pages or parts of Web sites etc, and report back to ERT WG (hopefully with some examples) [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-er-irc#T14-54-38
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ACTION: Shadi ping DominiqueH about the QA Test Case Description Language [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-er-irc#T14-56-15
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ACTION: everyone read these two documents about baselines (and also conformance) and send message to the ERT list [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-er-irc#T14-58-43