IRC log of er on 2006-05-10

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13:54:04 [shadi]

zakim, this will be ert

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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes

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meeting: ERT WG

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chair: Shadi

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regrets: David

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006May/0031.html

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agenda+ WCAG 2.0: "test case" and "test requirement" revival?

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agenda+ WCAG 2.0: blanket statements

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agenda+ Continuing WCAG 2.0 review

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agenda+ URI-in-RDF vs single URI

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started

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+Shadi

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+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

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+[IPcaller]

14:02:05 [shadi]

zakim, ipcaller is really Chris

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+Chris; got it

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+CarlosI

14:03:46 [ChrisR]

zakim, scribe ChrisR

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I don't understand 'scribe ChrisR', ChrisR

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scribe: ChrisR

14:05:34 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1. "WCAG 2.0: "test case" and "test requirement" revival?" taken up [from shadi]

14:08:37 [ChrisR]

SAZ: model of WCAG2 under discussion with regard with EARL

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CR: tests are 'sufficient' not 'required' so not sure how this will impact on EARL

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SAZ: there is a heirarchy with guideline, SC and techniques/tests

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SAZ: what about test case language needed in addition to EARL?

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JK: relationships between test requirements and actual tests need to be described - EARL or something else

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SAZ: at last FTF we decided that we wanted to keep test description language seperate from EARL

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SAZ: should not make EARL specific to WCAG2, must keep open

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JK: EARL reports just say pass/fail, not a relationship between tests and guidelines

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Resolution: relationships between tests and success criteria are not to be modelled in EARL but in a test case description language

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zakim, close agendum 1

14:18:10 [Zakim]

agendum 1, WCAG 2.0: "test case" and "test requirement" revival?, closed

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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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2. WCAG 2.0: blanket statements [from shadi]

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zakim, take up agendum 2

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agendum 2. "WCAG 2.0: blanket statements" taken up [from shadi]

14:20:43 [ChrisR]

CI: key question is blanket statements - allow or not?

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CI: conformance claim is a result of blanket statements

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SAZ: advantage is more compact EARL reports, disadvantage is less precision

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CI: blanket statements are more useful, just level of detail that you need.

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JK: is need of compact reports requirement of EARL?

14:24:27 [ChrisR]

CI: More detail is useful for some people, not all

14:25:32 [ChrisR]

SAZ: EARL is really for machines, not people (exchanging info between tools)

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(discussion of how EARL used by project managers, web services etc.)

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CI: people who work in validation need to specify entire domains and subdomains

14:42:27 [JohannesK]

I think the only thing you can really do is something like http://*example.org/*

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or http://www.example.org/foo*

14:44:34 [JohannesK]

some CMSes create URLs like http://www.example.org/?id=938658

14:54:38 [shadi]

action: CarlosI look at RDF-CL vocabulary for describing groups of Web pages or parts of Web sites etc, and report back to ERT WG (hopefully with some examples)

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action: Shadi ping DominiqueH about the QA Test Case Description Language

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zakim, close agendum 2

14:56:25 [Zakim]

agendum 2, WCAG 2.0: blanket statements, closed

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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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3. Continuing WCAG 2.0 review [from shadi]

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zakim, take up agendum 3

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agendum 3. "Continuing WCAG 2.0 review" taken up [from shadi]

14:57:43 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/conformance

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/baseline/

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-Chris

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action: everyone read these two documents about baselines (and also conformance) and send message to the ERT list

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-Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

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-Shadi

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next meeting: 17 May

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zakim, drop carlos

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CarlosI is being disconnected

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Shadi, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Chris, CarlosI

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-er-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-er-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: CarlosI look at RDF-CL vocabulary for describing groups of Web pages or parts of Web sites etc, and report back to ERT WG (hopefully with some examples) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-er-irc#T14-54-38

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ACTION: Shadi ping DominiqueH about the QA Test Case Description Language [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-er-irc#T14-56-15

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ACTION: everyone read these two documents about baselines (and also conformance) and send message to the ERT list [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/10-er-irc#T14-58-43