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13:58:20 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n core working group
13:58:25 <fsasaki> chair: Francois
13:58:29 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
13:58:34 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
14:00:20 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006May/0003.html
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14:00:44 <Zakim> +Felix
14:01:20 <fsasaki> Hi Francois
14:01:33 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:01:34 <fyergeau> zakim, [ is fyergeau
14:01:34 <Zakim> +fyergeau; got it
14:01:37 <fyergeau> Hi Felix
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14:01:39 <Zakim> +[IBM]
14:01:45 <r12a> zakim, dial ishida
14:01:45 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
14:01:47 <Zakim> +Ishida
14:01:50 <fyergeau> zakim, [ is Mary
14:01:50 <Zakim> +Mary; got it
14:02:33 <fyergeau> zakim, who is here?
14:02:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Felix, fyergeau, Mary, Ishida
14:02:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see r12a, fyergeau, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
14:03:29 <fsasaki> francois: last minutes are o.k.?
14:03:32 <fsasaki> topic: action items
14:03:55 <fsasaki> action: all to look at charmod resid test suite and gather feedback (ONGOING)
14:04:05 <fsasaki> francois: at least one page was password protected
14:04:24 <fsasaki> .. it is also hard to access since there is no access page, although it is quite self evident
14:04:44 <fsasaki> .. let's have this ongoing, that others can have a look
14:04:59 <fsasaki> action: Felix to check that Addisons comments are o.k. with regard to patent policy (DONE)
14:05:22 <fsasaki> Francois: richard suggested to follow up in long term, but no need to track it
14:05:38 <Zakim> +Karunesh_Arora
14:05:40 <fsasaki> action: all to give feedback on the LTLI draft (ONGOING)
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14:06:29 <fsasaki> Richard: I took a look, I'll give feedback later
14:06:46 <fsasaki> .. there is a lot of discussion at the www-i18n-comments list
14:06:56 <fsasaki> action: Felix to make restructuring of the LTLI conformance (DONE)
14:07:10 <fsasaki> Felix: done this afternoon (Japanese time)
14:07:47 <fsasaki> action: Felix to send in the comments from Martin on Mark's UAX 15 revision proposal to Unicode (DONE)
14:08:07 <fsasaki> Francois: that was specifically the reordering issue, right?
14:08:08 <fsasaki> Felix: yes
14:08:49 <fsasaki> Francois: No need to do s.t. more about that for now
14:08:59 <fsasaki> action: Francois, ping Martin about when we can make the tests public (DONE)
14:09:05 <fsasaki> Francois: no response yet
14:09:44 <fsasaki> action: Felix to find out where the tests from Martin are, where they will stay (PENDING)
14:09:51 <fsasaki> Felix: asked Martin, no response yet
14:10:05 <fsasaki> action: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING)
14:10:07 <r12a> zakim, mute ishida
14:10:07 <Zakim> Ishida should now be muted
14:10:23 <fsasaki> action: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu on ws i18n (PENDING)
14:10:26 <fsasaki> topic: MWBP review - need to follow up?
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14:10:57 <r12a> zakim, unmute ishida
14:10:57 <Zakim> Ishida should no longer be muted
14:12:37 <fsasaki> Richard: If you think these are good comments, back them up. Appart from them, I have no other comments, I'm fine with the doc.
14:13:31 <fsasaki> Francois: Need to say more about MWBI? Our message came across
14:13:51 <fsasaki> Richard: If they come back to me, then I'll bring it up to you again
14:13:58 <fsasaki> Francois: Excellent
14:14:11 <fsasaki> topic: Review of ITS tagset draft
14:14:51 <fsasaki> Francois: We should review it, we need a reviewer who is not in the ITS working group
14:15:17 <fsasaki> Mary: I'll have a look
14:15:21 <fsasaki> Felix: Great
14:15:50 <fsasaki> .. I'll ping you again as it is a "real" last call draft
14:16:12 <fsasaki> topic: Charmod resid / charmod norm
14:20:33 <fsasaki> Felix: possibility to have a time schedule?
14:20:36 <r12a> zakim, dial ishida-home
14:20:36 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
14:20:37 <fsasaki> Francois: hard to make
14:20:38 <Zakim> +Ishida
14:20:56 <Zakim> -Ishida
14:20:56 <fsasaki> Felix: Richard and me should have a look what time we could use for this
14:21:24 <fsasaki> action: Felix and Richard to think about their time ressources for charmod norm
14:21:36 <fsasaki> topic: LTLI
14:22:46 <fsasaki> Francois: There was a discussion on the i18n-comments
14:22:58 <fsasaki> .. Felix proposed to implement them, I don't see an issue
14:23:38 <fsasaki> Richard: My conclusion was that people say the right thing, so I'll wait until you do the next version
14:24:17 <fsasaki> action: Felix to implement discussion results from the i18n-comments list
14:24:41 <fsasaki> Richard: one idea: have a separte section for the discussion of "language versus locale"?
14:24:51 <fsasaki> .. because that is what people confuses a lot
14:24:54 <fsasaki> Felix: good idea
14:26:34 <fsasaki> Richard: section 4, where you have the requirements: maybe separate sections for language and locale?
14:26:39 <fsasaki> Francois: maybe that is too much
14:27:15 <fsasaki> Felix: currently it is very similar to the resid draft, where you have a section similar to sec. 4
14:28:19 <fsasaki> Richard: would you leave it like that?
14:28:40 <fsasaki> Felix: yes
14:28:52 <fsasaki> Richard: 4, point "4" could have a termref 
14:28:55 <fsasaki> Felix: good point
14:29:30 <fsasaki> Francois: I would like a bit more explanatory stuff here
14:29:57 <fsasaki> .. for example the definition of a basic language range etc.
14:30:05 <fsasaki> .. at least an example
14:30:18 <fsasaki> Felix: good point
14:32:37 <fsasaki> Richard: two aspects of the document: make it "normativly clear", and make it understandable
14:33:02 <fsasaki> .. you have to have a balance between the two
14:33:46 <fsasaki> action: Felix to create examples for defined terms (like "language range")
14:35:03 <fsasaki> Felix: a general question: The editor's copy is already heavinly changed
14:35:10 <fsasaki> .. should we republish?
14:35:38 <fsasaki> Richard: If people reading the published one very often, you should republish, otherwise, you  don't need to
14:36:12 <fsasaki> Francois: We should favor frequent publishing
14:36:36 <fsasaki> Richard: You don't want to publish s.t. if you are not confident about changes
14:38:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
14:40:36 <fsasaki> Felix: I'll try to make the LTLI tomorrow, so that you can have a look
14:41:02 <fsasaki> topic: WCAG review. http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-WCAG20-20060427/ 
14:41:26 <fsasaki> Felix: due until 31 May 2006
14:41:57 <fsasaki> Richard: I'll do it, but need an extension
14:42:27 <fsasaki> action: Felix to ask for a review extension for WCAG (2-3 weeks)
14:43:21 <fsasaki> topic: next meeting(s)
14:43:32 <fsasaki> Richard: I'll be here next week, but not the two weeks after that
14:43:41 <fsasaki> Felix: I'll be away the next two weeks
14:44:04 <fsasaki> Francois: we should have a meeting next week. If Felix does the LTLI stuff until then, we should publish it
14:44:14 <fsasaki> Felix: publishing would be fast
14:44:30 <fsasaki> Francois: o.k., so have a meeting next week, and cancel the meeting in two weeks
14:45:00 <fsasaki> topic: Discussion of "Named Character Sequences"
14:45:04 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006May/0005.html
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14:48:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
14:48:41 <fsasaki> francois: technically, the identifiers have no impact at all
14:48:56 <fsasaki> .. giving a name to them has no impact on anything
14:50:37 <fsasaki> .. what we do
14:51:39 <fsasaki> .. it is more a human, than a technical thing
14:52:30 <karunesh> Felix: can you stay for a minute after meeting
14:52:31 <Zakim> -fyergeau
14:52:32 <Zakim> -Mary
14:52:34 <Zakim> -Felix
14:52:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
14:52:41 <Zakim> -Ishida
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14:52:47 <fsasaki> present: Felix, Francois, Mary, Richard
14:52:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
14:53:16 <karunesh> Felix are you there
14:53:30 <fsasaki> Hi Karunesh
14:53:33 <Zakim> -Karunesh_Arora
14:53:34 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
14:53:35 <Zakim> Attendees were Felix, [IPcaller], fyergeau, [IBM], Ishida, Mary, Karunesh_Arora
14:54:01 <karunesh> yes can we talk on phone
14:54:10 <fsasaki> Sure, I'll dial in again
14:54:25 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
14:54:25 <Zakim> +Felix
14:54:38 <Zakim> +Karunesh_Arora
14:56:45 <fsasaki> topic: First letter styling 
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14:56:59 <r12a-again> zakim, dial ishida
14:56:59 <Zakim> ok, r12a-again; the call is being made
14:57:01 <Zakim> +Ishida
14:57:21 <r12a-again> zakim, drop ishida
14:57:21 <Zakim> Ishida is being disconnected
14:57:22 <Zakim> -Ishida
14:57:24 <fsasaki> Francois and Mary already left the call, but Karunesh, Richard and Felix discussed this topic
14:57:30 <r12a-again> zakim, dial ishida-home
14:57:30 <Zakim> ok, r12a-again; the call is being made
14:57:32 <Zakim> +Ishida
14:58:15 <fsasaki> Karunseh: Regarding the discussion on first letter styling for Indian languages:
14:58:31 <fsasaki> .. for Hindi and Dev. we discussed whether it should be graphemes or syllable
14:58:41 <fsasaki> .. maybe it would be more appropriate for the grapheme cluster
14:58:59 <fsasaki> .. for other languages, we are contacting other specialists
14:59:05 <fsasaki> .. we are waiting for their feedback
14:59:08 <fsasaki> Richard: great
14:59:27 <fsasaki> .. if you could send the conclusion via mail, to www-international@w3.org 
14:59:55 <fsasaki> .. I saw a mail from Goutam who also talked about this
15:00:11 <fsasaki> Karunseh: I'll also get feedback for other languages
15:00:26 <fsasaki> s/Karunseh/Karunesh/
15:01:17 <fsasaki> Richard: Goutam sent a mail about it this afternoon
15:03:50 <fsasaki> vijay: we would like to help and give more feedback
15:03:53 <fsasaki> Richard: great
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15:04:38 <Zakim> -Felix
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15:04:48 <Zakim> -Ishida
15:04:52 <Zakim> -Karunesh_Arora
15:04:54 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
15:04:58 <Zakim> Attendees were Felix, Karunesh_Arora, Ishida
15:05:18 <fsasaki> present: Felix, Francois, Karunesh (for "first letter" topic), Mary, Richard, Vijay (for "first letter" topic)
15:05:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
15:24:26 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
15:24:26 <RRSAgent> I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-actions.rdf :
15:24:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: all to look at charmod resid test suite and gather feedback (ONGOING) [1]
15:24:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-03-55
15:24:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to check that Addisons comments are o.k. with regard to patent policy (DONE) [2]
15:24:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-04-59
15:24:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: all to give feedback on the LTLI draft (ONGOING) [3]
15:24:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-05-40
15:24:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to make restructuring of the LTLI conformance (DONE) [4]
15:24:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-06-56
15:24:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to send in the comments from Martin on Mark's UAX 15 revision proposal to Unicode (DONE) [5]
15:24:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-07-47
15:24:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Francois, ping Martin about when we can make the tests public (DONE) [6]
15:24:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-08-59
15:24:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to find out where the tests from Martin are, where they will stay (PENDING) [7]
15:24:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-09-44
15:24:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING) [8]
15:24:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-10-05
15:24:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu on ws i18n (PENDING) [9]
15:24:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-10-23
15:24:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix and Richard to think about their time ressources for charmod norm [10]
15:24:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-21-24
15:24:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to implement discussion results from the i18n-comments list [11]
15:24:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-24-17
15:24:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to create examples for defined terms (like "language range") [12]
15:24:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-33-46
15:24:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to ask for a review extension for WCAG (2-3 weeks) [13]
15:24:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-42-27
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