IRC log of i18ncore on 2006-05-09

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meeting: i18n core working group

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chair: Francois

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scribe: Felix

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scribeNick: fsasaki

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006May/0003.html

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+Felix

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Hi Francois

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+[IPcaller]

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zakim, [ is fyergeau

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+fyergeau; got it

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Hi Felix

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+[IBM]

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zakim, dial ishida

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ok, r12a; the call is being made

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+Ishida

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zakim, [ is Mary

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+Mary; got it

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zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see Felix, fyergeau, Mary, Ishida

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On IRC I see r12a, fyergeau, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki

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francois: last minutes are o.k.?

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topic: action items

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action: all to look at charmod resid test suite and gather feedback (ONGOING)

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francois: at least one page was password protected

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.. it is also hard to access since there is no access page, although it is quite self evident

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.. let's have this ongoing, that others can have a look

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action: Felix to check that Addisons comments are o.k. with regard to patent policy (DONE)

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Francois: richard suggested to follow up in long term, but no need to track it

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+Karunesh_Arora

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action: all to give feedback on the LTLI draft (ONGOING)

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Richard: I took a look, I'll give feedback later

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.. there is a lot of discussion at the www-i18n-comments list

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action: Felix to make restructuring of the LTLI conformance (DONE)

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Felix: done this afternoon (Japanese time)

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action: Felix to send in the comments from Martin on Mark's UAX 15 revision proposal to Unicode (DONE)

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Francois: that was specifically the reordering issue, right?

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Felix: yes

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Francois: No need to do s.t. more about that for now

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action: Francois, ping Martin about when we can make the tests public (DONE)

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Francois: no response yet

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action: Felix to find out where the tests from Martin are, where they will stay (PENDING)

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Felix: asked Martin, no response yet

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action: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING)

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zakim, mute ishida

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Ishida should now be muted

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action: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu on ws i18n (PENDING)

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topic: MWBP review - need to follow up?

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zakim, unmute ishida

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Ishida should no longer be muted

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Richard: If you think these are good comments, back them up. Appart from them, I have no other comments, I'm fine with the doc.

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Francois: Need to say more about MWBI? Our message came across

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Richard: If they come back to me, then I'll bring it up to you again

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Francois: Excellent

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topic: Review of ITS tagset draft

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Francois: We should review it, we need a reviewer who is not in the ITS working group

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Mary: I'll have a look

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Felix: Great

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.. I'll ping you again as it is a "real" last call draft

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topic: Charmod resid / charmod norm

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Felix: possibility to have a time schedule?

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zakim, dial ishida-home

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ok, r12a; the call is being made

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Francois: hard to make

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+Ishida

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-Ishida

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Felix: Richard and me should have a look what time we could use for this

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action: Felix and Richard to think about their time ressources for charmod norm

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topic: LTLI

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Francois: There was a discussion on the i18n-comments

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.. Felix proposed to implement them, I don't see an issue

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Richard: My conclusion was that people say the right thing, so I'll wait until you do the next version

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action: Felix to implement discussion results from the i18n-comments list

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Richard: one idea: have a separte section for the discussion of "language versus locale"?

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.. because that is what people confuses a lot

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Felix: good idea

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Richard: section 4, where you have the requirements: maybe separate sections for language and locale?

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Francois: maybe that is too much

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Felix: currently it is very similar to the resid draft, where you have a section similar to sec. 4

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Richard: would you leave it like that?

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Felix: yes

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Richard: 4, point "4" could have a termref

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Felix: good point

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Francois: I would like a bit more explanatory stuff here

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.. for example the definition of a basic language range etc.

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.. at least an example

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Felix: good point

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Richard: two aspects of the document: make it "normativly clear", and make it understandable

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.. you have to have a balance between the two

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action: Felix to create examples for defined terms (like "language range")

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Felix: a general question: The editor's copy is already heavinly changed

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.. should we republish?

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Richard: If people reading the published one very often, you should republish, otherwise, you don't need to

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Francois: We should favor frequent publishing

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Richard: You don't want to publish s.t. if you are not confident about changes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki

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Felix: I'll try to make the LTLI tomorrow, so that you can have a look

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topic: WCAG review. http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-WCAG20-20060427/

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Felix: due until 31 May 2006

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Richard: I'll do it, but need an extension

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action: Felix to ask for a review extension for WCAG (2-3 weeks)

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topic: next meeting(s)

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Richard: I'll be here next week, but not the two weeks after that

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Felix: I'll be away the next two weeks

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Francois: we should have a meeting next week. If Felix does the LTLI stuff until then, we should publish it

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Felix: publishing would be fast

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Francois: o.k., so have a meeting next week, and cancel the meeting in two weeks

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topic: Discussion of "Named Character Sequences"

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006May/0005.html

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki

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francois: technically, the identifiers have no impact at all

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.. giving a name to them has no impact on anything

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.. what we do

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.. it is more a human, than a technical thing

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Felix: can you stay for a minute after meeting

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-fyergeau

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-Mary

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-Felix

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki

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-Ishida

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present: Felix, Francois, Mary, Richard

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki

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Felix are you there

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Hi Karunesh

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-Karunesh_Arora

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I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Felix, [IPcaller], fyergeau, [IBM], Ishida, Mary, Karunesh_Arora

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yes can we talk on phone

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Sure, I'll dial in again

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+Felix

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+Karunesh_Arora

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topic: First letter styling

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zakim, dial ishida

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ok, r12a-again; the call is being made

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+Ishida

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zakim, drop ishida

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Ishida is being disconnected

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-Ishida

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Francois and Mary already left the call, but Karunesh, Richard and Felix discussed this topic

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zakim, dial ishida-home

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ok, r12a-again; the call is being made

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+Ishida

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Karunseh: Regarding the discussion on first letter styling for Indian languages:

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.. for Hindi and Dev. we discussed whether it should be graphemes or syllable

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.. maybe it would be more appropriate for the grapheme cluster

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.. for other languages, we are contacting other specialists

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.. we are waiting for their feedback

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Richard: great

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.. if you could send the conclusion via mail, to www-international@w3.org

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.. I saw a mail from Goutam who also talked about this

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Karunseh: I'll also get feedback for other languages

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s/Karunseh/Karunesh/

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Richard: Goutam sent a mail about it this afternoon

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vijay: we would like to help and give more feedback

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Richard: great

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-Felix

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\quit

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-Ishida

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-Karunesh_Arora

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I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Felix, Karunesh_Arora, Ishida

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present: Felix, Francois, Karunesh (for "first letter" topic), Mary, Richard, Vijay (for "first letter" topic)

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: all to look at charmod resid test suite and gather feedback (ONGOING) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-03-55

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ACTION: Felix to check that Addisons comments are o.k. with regard to patent policy (DONE) [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-04-59

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ACTION: all to give feedback on the LTLI draft (ONGOING) [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-05-40

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ACTION: Felix to make restructuring of the LTLI conformance (DONE) [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-06-56

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ACTION: Felix to send in the comments from Martin on Mark's UAX 15 revision proposal to Unicode (DONE) [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-07-47

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ACTION: Francois, ping Martin about when we can make the tests public (DONE) [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-08-59

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ACTION: Felix to find out where the tests from Martin are, where they will stay (PENDING) [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-09-44

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ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING) [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-10-05

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ACTION: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu on ws i18n (PENDING) [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-10-23

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ACTION: Felix and Richard to think about their time ressources for charmod norm [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-21-24

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ACTION: Felix to implement discussion results from the i18n-comments list [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-24-17

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ACTION: Felix to create examples for defined terms (like "language range") [12]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-33-46

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ACTION: Felix to ask for a review extension for WCAG (2-3 weeks) [13]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-i18ncore-irc#T14-42-27

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