IRC log of swbp on 2006-05-08

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Meeting: SWBPD WG
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SW_BPD()1:00PM has now started
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006May/0040.html
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+DBooth
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+Ralph
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Previous: 2006-04-24 http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html
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Regrets: ChrisH, Jacco, Libby
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+Evan_Wallace
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+[CWI]
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zakim, cwi is Raphael
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+Raphael; got it
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Regrets+ JeffP
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+Guus_Schreiber
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Chair: Guus
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zakim, who's on the call?
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On the phone I see DBooth, Ralph, Evan_Wallace, Raphael, Guus_Schreiber
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+Elisa_Kendall
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+Gary_Ng
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Topic: Admin
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zakim, list participants
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As of this point the attendees have been DBooth, Ralph, Evan_Wallace, Raphael, Guus_Schreiber, Elisa_Kendall, Gary_Ng
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+Ben_Adida
17:05:10 [raphael]
zakim, mute me
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Raphael should now be muted
17:05:14 [RalphS]
zakim, pick a victim
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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DBooth
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17:05:20 [RalphS]
zakim, pick a victim
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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DBooth
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zakim, pick a victim
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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Guus_Schreiber
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zakim, pick a victim
17:05:24 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Guus_Schreiber
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zakim, pick a victim
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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ralph
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Scribe: Ralph
17:05:55 [benadida]
zakim, mute me
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Ben_Adida should now be muted
17:06:07 [RalphS]
zakim, remind me to fix your implementation of 'pick a scribe'
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I don't understand you, RalphS
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zakim, list participants
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As of this point the attendees have been DBooth, Ralph, Evan_Wallace, Raphael, Guus_Schreiber, Elisa_Kendall, Gary_Ng, Ben_Adida
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see DBooth, Ralph, Evan_Wallace, Raphael (muted), Guus_Schreiber, Elisa_Kendall, Gary_Ng, Ben_Adida (muted)
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On IRC I see benadida, GaryNg, guus, Elisa, RRSAgent, dbooth, raphael, EWallace, Zakim, RalphS
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+Deb_McGuinness
17:07:19 [GaryNg]
zakim, mute me
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Gary_Ng should now be muted
17:08:00 [benadida]
I can only stay until 1730 UTC
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RESOLVED: http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html accepted as minutes of previous meeting
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PROPOSED next telecons 22 May, 5 June, 19 June
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RESOLVED next telecons 22 May, 5 June, 19 June
17:08:49 [benadida]
zakim, unmute me
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Ben_Adida should no longer be muted
17:09:13 [RalphS]
Ben: I would like a vote to publish 2nd WD of RDF/a Primer
17:09:46 [benadida]
zakim, mute me
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Ben_Adida should now be muted
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-> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/ Multimedia Semantics Incubator Group
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Topic: HTML TF
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zakim, unmute me
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Gary_Ng should no longer be muted
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ACTION: Ben to ask Gary (and Fabien) if they would review RDFa Primer doc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action18
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-- done
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Ben: got response from Gary, none from Fabien
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DBooth: I believe I have an action to review as well
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ACTION: Ben to send examples of bookmarklets highlighting RDFa marked up terms to WG list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action19]
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-- continutes
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-- continues
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ACTION: Ben_Adida to find reviewers and put acknowledgements in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action20]
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-- done
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ACTION: Ben give reviewers appropriate acknowledgement in RDF/A Primer
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ACTION: DBooth to re-review RDFa draft by next teleconf (doc ready by Wed 26 Apr for review) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action17]
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-- continues
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DBooth: I'm happy to proceed with publication
17:12:56 [GaryNg]
zakim, mute me
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Gary_Ng should now be muted
17:12:57 [RalphS]
... one question: in Dublin Core, 'creator' is not required to be a URI
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Ben: correct; that was one comment made on the first draft
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DBooth: reading the examples, I felt I would like to see the RDF produced by the examples sooner, similar to section 3
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Ben: good point, it depends on the audience how soon we felt it appropriate to introduce the RDF
17:14:07 [GaryNg]
zakim, unmute me
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Gary_Ng should no longer be muted
17:14:20 [RalphS]
... the HTML folk feel introducing RDF later is better
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Gary: I've looked at the document briefly, concentrating on the changes
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... I'm fine with proceeding with publication
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... I'd like to suggest some minor rearrangements
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... I did notice that the first example in section 2 appears to have missed the triple that Joe is speaking at the conference
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Ben: thanks. The major change was adding the calendar example in section 2
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... we'd like to have this published before WWW2006
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Guus: hearing the oral comments from the reviewers, I'll accept a proposal to publish this WD provided reviewer's comments are taken into account
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DBooth: second
17:16:52 [GaryNg]
zakim, mute me
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Gary_Ng should now be muted
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RESOLVED: RDF/A Primer publication request may be issued as soon as editor has incorporated today's feedback from reviewers
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Ben: other updates from TF ...
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... we're talking with GRDDL folk about a transformation that would take microformats in-place into RDF/A
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... we're in early investigation of this
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... hope to have more information by June
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Topic: OEP
17:18:49 [benadida]
zakim, mute me
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Ben_Adida should now be muted
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[DONE] ACTION: Elisa to figure out who was 2nd reviewer of Time note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action12]
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Elisa: Jeremy and Libby were the reviewers
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... last telecon Libby reported that her comments had been addressed
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[DONE] ACTION: Guus to review OWL Time note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action09]
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Guus: my review in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006May/0039.html
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... needs work to make it consistent with the OWL
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... I've documented the inconsistencies I found
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... let's wait for the reaction to my review
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ACTION: Elisa to find correct latest version of part-whole draft. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action09]
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-- done
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Elisa: Alan says what's on the W3C site is his lastest draft but believes Chris may have a more recent draft
17:23:06 [benadida]
thanks everyone, I need to run off... I appreciate getting bumped up in the schedule!
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-Ben_Adida
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ACTION: Ralph copy http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~rector/swbp/simple-part-whole/simple-part-whole-relations-v0-2.html to WG area [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action07]
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Ralph: that version is older than anything we have on the W3C site
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-- done
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(not copied, as we already have newer versions)
17:24:35 [Elisa]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Apr/0014.html
17:24:39 [DeborahM]
i am going to need to drop off but i wanted to make sure that we check if the semantic integration note is the latest
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since the one that is up dropped the author changes that chris welty put in in november
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[DONE] ACTION: Elisa to ask Sem. Integ. editors to revise prior to final mtg [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action04]
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Elisa: editors hope to have something in a week or two
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ACTION: Guus to sort out status of QCR note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
17:25:30 [DeborahM]
it included at least natasha and me as authors for our contributions
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-- done
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i appear to still be muted
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Guus: just sent mail
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ACTION: Guus to propose a version of QCR note for review by 8 May teleconf [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action10]
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-- continues
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Guus: I've updated the editor's draft to not say it's a Working Draft
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Deb: an authorship change on the Semantic Integration Note was lost
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... not sure if any other changes were also lost
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... I gave Chris a huge list of changes in November in Ireland
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... most appear to be there, but not the authorship change
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Elisa: if you email those to me I'll check with Mike that he did include everything
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-Deb_McGuinness
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Guus: the main to-do on QCR note is to discuss the RDF/XML syntax
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... I'll call Peter Patel-Schneider
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... following that discussion I think I'll be ready to propose QCR for review
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Topic: WordNet
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[DONE] ACTION: Guus to ask Benjamin if he agrees to the WG publishing 23 Apr version with the above provisos. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action16]
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Guus: Benjamin responded
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Ralph: I'm working on making the URIs work
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... am about 2 hours away from finishing a program to generate those files
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ACTION: Guus get Jacco to mail explicit consent to publish WordNet WD
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DBooth: what did we decide about 303 redirects?
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Ralph: I intend to serve the URIs with 303 redirects
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... the draft lists this as an open issue in Appendix I
17:35:44 [raphael]
zakim, unmute me
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Raphael should no longer be muted
17:35:52 [RalphS]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wn-conversion.html#issues
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Topic: Multimedia Annotation
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Raphael: we're still working on the final version of the Image Annotation WD
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... we're accumulating a list of changes for the Note
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... we'll close the TF as soon as the Note is published
17:37:14 [raphael]
zakim, mute me
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Raphael should now be muted
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[adjourned]
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-Evan_Wallace
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bye
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-DBooth
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-Raphael
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-Elisa_Kendall
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Regrets+ DWood
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bye
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-Gary_Ng
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-Guus_Schreiber
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-Ralph
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SW_BPD()1:00PM has ended
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Attendees were DBooth, Ralph, Evan_Wallace, Raphael, Guus_Schreiber, Elisa_Kendall, Gary_Ng, Ben_Adida, Deb_McGuinness
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bye
17:37:48 [RalphS]
rrsagent, please make this record public
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bye
17:37:55 [RalphS]
rrsagent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/08-swbp-minutes.html RalphS
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/08-swbp-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Ben to ask Gary (and Fabien) if they would review RDFa Primer doc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action18 [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/08-swbp-irc#T17-10-55
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ACTION: Ben to send examples of bookmarklets highlighting RDFa marked up terms to WG list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action19] [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/08-swbp-irc#T17-11-24
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ACTION: Ben_Adida to find reviewers and put acknowledgements in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action20] [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/08-swbp-irc#T17-11-49
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ACTION: Ben give reviewers appropriate acknowledgement in RDF/A Primer [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/08-swbp-irc#T17-12-04
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ACTION: DBooth to re-review RDFa draft by next teleconf (doc ready by Wed 26 Apr for review) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action17] [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/08-swbp-irc#T17-12-13
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ACTION: Elisa to find correct latest version of part-whole draft. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action09] [6]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/08-swbp-irc#T17-21-47
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ACTION: Ralph copy http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~rector/swbp/simple-part-whole/simple-part-whole-relations-v0-2.html to WG area [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action07] [7]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/08-swbp-irc#T17-23-29-1
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ACTION: Guus to sort out status of QCR note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html#action05] [8]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/08-swbp-irc#T17-25-28
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ACTION: Guus to propose a version of QCR note for review by 8 May teleconf [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/24-swbp-minutes.html#action10] [9]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/08-swbp-irc#T17-26-05
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ACTION: Guus get Jacco to mail explicit consent to publish WordNet WD [10]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/08-swbp-irc#T17-34-16