IRC log of i18ncore on 2006-05-02

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meeting: i18n core working group
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chair: Francois
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scribe: Felix
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scribeNick: fsasaki
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006May/0000.html
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previous minutes at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006AprJun/0028.html
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I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
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+[IBM]
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+Felix
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+??P17
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zakim, ? is fyergeau
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+fyergeau; got it
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zakim, dial ishida
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ok, r12a; the call is being made
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+Ishida
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topic: action items
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action: Felix to find out where the tests from Martin are (PENDING)
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francois: Martin did not approve to make them public yet
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francois: I will ping Martin
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action: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING)
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ACTION: francois, ping Martin about when we can make the tests public
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action: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu on ws i18n (PENDING)
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+Karunesh_Arora
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/02-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
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topic: IRI and charmod norm progress
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francois: would you have bandwith to update the charmod norm issues list?
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richard: currently not
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francois: so I'll look at it later this months
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action: all to look at charmod resid test suite and gather feedback
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topic: LTLI progress
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Richard: are there instructions on how the tests should be run?
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Francois: they are supposed to be self explaining
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felix: there is a bachelor thesis about the tests
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ltli latest editor's draft: http://www.w3.org/International/core/langtags/
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006AprJun/0030.html
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felix: from Addison, proposes conformance criteria for LTLI
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felix: describes the conformance critera proposed from Addison
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richard: why not using xml:lang for locale?
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francois: xml:lang should not be used for locale, is the message
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.. the word "MUST NOT use" is not very precise
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.. it should say e.g. "specifications must not specify that xml:lang specifies locale"
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richard: process question: Addison has not agreed to the patent policy?
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mary: these are public comments, so is there a problem?
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richard: you have to contact the people who make the comments
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.. we have to get back to plh to make sure that there is no patent issue here
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mary: I don't think that there's a problem
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richard: we have to be careful
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.. let's take the examples to plh and say "these are basic ideas we would have had anyway" and see if it is an issue
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action: Felix to check that Addisons comments are o.k. with regard to patent policy
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francois: where are other comments?
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in the member list comments from Martin: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Apr/0038.html
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felix: could you all give me feedback on the document?
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francois: sure
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richard: the conformance section should say what you have to do to be conformant, but not have all conformance section
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felix: could it be like charmod-resid
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.. "3 Character Encoding in Resource Identifiers"
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.. would LTLI to be structured in the same way?
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.. do you think that there should be s.t. else in the document than the conformance criteria?
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francois: could be structured like charmod-resid
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.. resid puts the rfc 2119 into sec. 2 "conformance", that's it
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.. in the next section, you make the definitions
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felix: looks good to me
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action: felix to make restructuring of the conformance section
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francois: there was an interesting comments from Mark Davis
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topic: MWBP comments
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felix: I brought one comment back to them: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006AprJun/0034.html
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francois: we said "make explicit if a link is to something in another language"
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.. they said "this has no mobile specific interpretation", which was an answer to many comments
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.. we did agree with them in many cases, but not here
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.. do you agree to insist on that?
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Richard: o.k.
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new last call WD of MWBP 1.0: http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-mobile-bp-20060412/
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felix: if you want to reply to other responses, please send a mail until tomorrow
14:51:13 [fyergeau]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Apr/0032.html
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topic: should we send in these comments? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Apr/0032.html
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felix: do you see an issues with Mark's proposals to update UAX 15?
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everybody looking at Marks mail
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Francois: Martin's comments are interesting
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Felix: should we send them as working group comments?
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Francois: let's send them in as working group comments
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.. send them in as the liasion to Unicode
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action: Felix to send in the comments from Martin on Mark's UAX 15 revision proposal to Unicode
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topic: other business?
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richard: maybe we will have to do wcag comments soon, I'll check and come back later
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http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-WCAG20-20060427/
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-[IBM]
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felix: I'll update the review radar
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-fyergeau
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-Ishida
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-Felix
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-Karunesh_Arora
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I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were [IBM], Felix, fyergeau, Ishida, Karunesh_Arora
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present: Felix, Francois, Karunesh, Mary, Richard, Vijay
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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