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13:54:26 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n core working group
13:54:32 <fsasaki> chair: Francois
13:54:34 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
13:54:40 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
13:55:04 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006May/0000.html
13:55:14 <fsasaki> previous minutes at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006AprJun/0028.html
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14:00:04 <Zakim> +[IBM]
14:00:13 <Zakim> +Felix
14:01:29 <Zakim> +??P17
14:01:33 <fyergeau> zakim, ? is fyergeau
14:01:34 <Zakim> +fyergeau; got it
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14:03:34 <r12a> zakim, dial ishida
14:03:34 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
14:03:34 <Zakim> +Ishida
14:04:52 <fsasaki> topic: action items
14:05:00 <fsasaki> action: Felix to find out where the tests from Martin are (PENDING)
14:05:17 <fsasaki> francois: Martin did not approve to make them public yet
14:06:49 <fsasaki> francois: I will ping Martin 
14:07:14 <fsasaki> action: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING)
14:07:36 <r12a> ACTION: francois, ping Martin about when we can make the tests public
14:07:58 <fsasaki> action: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu on ws i18n (PENDING)
14:08:11 <Zakim> +Karunesh_Arora
14:09:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/02-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
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14:11:43 <fsasaki> topic: IRI and charmod norm progress 
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14:12:18 <fsasaki> francois: would you have bandwith to update the charmod norm issues list?
14:12:23 <fsasaki> richard: currently not
14:13:11 <fsasaki> francois: so I'll look at it later this months
14:13:49 <fsasaki> action: all to look at charmod resid test suite and gather feedback
14:14:32 <fsasaki> topic: LTLI progress 
14:15:21 <fsasaki> Richard: are there instructions on how the tests should be run?
14:15:33 <fsasaki> Francois: they are supposed to be self explaining
14:16:13 <fsasaki> felix: there is a bachelor thesis about the tests
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14:17:24 <fsasaki> ltli latest editor's draft: http://www.w3.org/International/core/langtags/
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14:19:04 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006AprJun/0030.html
14:19:21 <fsasaki> felix: from Addison, proposes conformance criteria for LTLI
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14:21:30 <fsasaki> felix: describes the conformance critera proposed from Addison
14:21:37 <fsasaki> richard: why not using xml:lang for locale?
14:21:51 <fsasaki> francois: xml:lang should not be used for locale, is the message
14:22:02 <fsasaki> .. the word "MUST NOT use" is not very precise
14:22:19 <fsasaki> .. it should say e.g. "specifications must not specify that xml:lang specifies locale"
14:23:04 <fsasaki> richard: process question: Addison has not agreed to the patent policy?
14:23:17 <fsasaki> mary: these are public comments, so is there a problem?
14:23:39 <fsasaki> richard: you have to contact the people who make the comments
14:24:22 <fsasaki> .. we have to get back to plh to make sure that there is no patent issue here
14:24:38 <fsasaki> mary: I don't think that there's a problem
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14:27:40 <fsasaki> richard: we have to be careful
14:28:05 <fsasaki> .. let's take the examples to plh and say "these are basic ideas we would have had anyway" and see if it is an issue
14:28:12 <fsasaki> action: Felix to check that Addisons comments are o.k. with regard to patent policy
14:30:46 <fsasaki> francois: where are other comments?
14:30:57 <fsasaki> in the member list comments from Martin: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Apr/0038.html
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14:36:43 <fsasaki> felix: could you all give me feedback on the document?
14:36:48 <fsasaki> francois: sure
14:37:29 <fsasaki> richard: the conformance section should say what you have to do to be conformant, but not have all conformance section
14:38:15 <fsasaki> felix: could it be like charmod-resid
14:38:46 <fsasaki> .. "3 Character Encoding in Resource Identifiers" 
14:40:15 <fsasaki> .. would LTLI to be structured in the same way?
14:40:41 <fsasaki> .. do you think that there should be s.t. else in the document than the conformance criteria?
14:41:05 <fsasaki> francois: could be structured like charmod-resid 
14:41:53 <fsasaki> .. resid puts the rfc 2119 into sec. 2 "conformance", that's it
14:42:04 <fsasaki> .. in the next section, you make the definitions
14:42:36 <fsasaki> felix: looks good to me
14:43:22 <fsasaki> action: felix to make restructuring of the conformance section
14:44:55 <fsasaki> francois: there was an interesting comments from Mark Davis
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14:46:33 <fsasaki> topic: MWBP comments
14:47:18 <fsasaki> felix: I brought one comment back to them: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006AprJun/0034.html
14:47:59 <fsasaki> francois: we said "make explicit if a link is to something in another language"
14:48:21 <fsasaki> .. they said "this has no mobile specific interpretation", which was an answer to many comments
14:48:30 <fsasaki> .. we did agree with them in many cases, but not here
14:49:01 <fsasaki> .. do you agree to insist on that?
14:49:05 <fsasaki> Richard: o.k.
14:49:52 <fsasaki> new last call WD of MWBP 1.0: http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-mobile-bp-20060412/
14:51:04 <fsasaki> felix: if you want to reply to other responses, please send a mail until tomorrow
14:51:13 <fyergeau> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Apr/0032.html
14:51:16 <fsasaki> topic: should we send in these comments? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Apr/0032.html
14:52:22 <fsasaki> felix: do you see an issues with Mark's proposals to update UAX 15? 
14:53:44 <fsasaki> everybody looking at Marks mail
14:55:29 <fsasaki> Francois: Martin's comments are interesting
14:55:42 <fsasaki> Felix: should we send them as working group comments?
14:56:02 <fsasaki> Francois: let's send them in as working group comments
14:57:50 <fsasaki> .. send them in as the liasion to Unicode
14:58:37 <fsasaki> action: Felix to send in the comments from Martin on Mark's UAX 15 revision proposal to Unicode
14:59:11 <fsasaki> topic: other business?
15:00:16 <fsasaki> richard: maybe we will have to do wcag comments soon, I'll check and come back later
15:01:04 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-WCAG20-20060427/
15:01:11 <Zakim> -[IBM]
15:01:13 <fsasaki> felix: I'll update the review radar
15:01:55 <Zakim> -fyergeau
15:01:57 <Zakim> -Ishida
15:01:59 <Zakim> -Felix
15:02:30 <Zakim> -Karunesh_Arora
15:02:31 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
15:02:32 <Zakim> Attendees were [IBM], Felix, fyergeau, Ishida, Karunesh_Arora
15:03:19 <fsasaki> present: Felix, Francois, Karunesh, Mary, Richard, Vijay
15:03:24 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
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