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14:46:07 <sandro> zakim, what is the code?
14:46:07 <Zakim> the conference code is 74394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), sandro
14:46:20 <sandro> rrsagent, make minutes
14:46:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/04/25-rif-minutes.html sandro
14:46:33 <sandro> rrsagent, make record public
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14:51:37 <Francois>  
14:52:31 <sandro> Hello, Francois.
14:53:50 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started
14:53:57 <Zakim> +??P2
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14:54:58 <Zakim> +MoZ
14:55:24 <MoZ> Zakim, who is on the phone ?
14:55:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, MoZ
14:55:31 <Zakim> +??P19
14:55:34 <Zakim> +Philippe_Bonnard (was ??P19)
14:55:45 <PhilippeB> Zakim, mute me
14:55:45 <Zakim> Philippe_Bonnard should now be muted
14:56:07 <Zakim> +Sandro
14:56:12 <Francois> sandro, hello sandro.
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14:57:01 <Zakim> +[IBM]
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14:57:19 <ChrisW> zakim, [ibm] is temporarily me
14:57:19 <Zakim> +ChrisW; got it
14:57:31 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:57:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Francois, MoZ, Philippe_Bonnard (muted), Sandro, ChrisW, Leora_Morgenstern
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14:57:34 <LeoraMorgenstern> zakim, mute me
14:57:34 <Zakim> Leora_Morgenstern should now be muted
14:57:46 <MoZ> Zakim: mute me
14:57:51 <Zakim> +Hassan_Ait-Kaci
14:58:02 <MoZ> Zakim, mute me
14:58:02 <Zakim> MoZ should now be muted
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14:58:44 <Zakim> +[NRCC]
14:58:50 <Francois> zakim mute me
14:59:03 <Zakim> +Deborah_Nichols
14:59:06 <Harold> zakim, [NRCC] is me
14:59:06 <Zakim> +Harold; got it
14:59:22 <Zakim> +PaulaP
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14:59:25 <Zakim> +Allen_Ginsberg
14:59:35 <Allen> zakim, mute me
14:59:35 <Zakim> Allen_Ginsberg should now be muted
14:59:38 <ChrisW> scribenick: MichaelKifer
14:59:46 <Francois> zakim, mute me.
14:59:46 <Zakim> Francois should now be muted
14:59:58 <Zakim> +Jos_de_Bruijn
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15:00:11 <Zakim> +Dave_Reynolds
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15:00:42 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:01:31 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:01:37 <MoZ> Zakim, who is making noise?
15:01:41 <AxelPolleres> zakim, IPcaller is me
15:01:42 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it
15:01:47 <Zakim> MoZ, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: josb (10%)
15:01:49 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, mute me
15:01:52 <Zakim> AxelPolleres should now be muted
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15:02:16 <Zakim> +??P33
15:02:24 <pfps> zakim, ??p33 is pfps
15:02:24 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
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15:02:55 <Zakim> +David_Hirtle
15:03:02 <ChrisW> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Apr/att-0093/rif-scriberei.html
15:03:42 <MichaelKifer> April 11 minutes have been accepted as true record
15:03:45 <ChrisW> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Apr/att-0054/18-rif-minutes.html
15:03:53 <Zakim> +??P38
15:04:06 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Francois (muted), MoZ (muted), Philippe_Bonnard (muted), Sandro, ChrisW, Leora_Morgenstern (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), Michael_Kifer, Harold,
15:04:10 <PhilippeB> zakim,nmute me
15:04:10 <Zakim> ... Deborah_Nichols (muted), PaulaP (muted), Allen_Ginsberg (muted), josb (muted), Dave_Reynolds (muted), MarkusK (muted), AxelPolleres (muted), pfps, DavidHirtle (muted), ??P38
15:04:16 <Zakim> I don't understand 'nmute me', PhilippeB
15:04:18 <PhilippeB> zakim, unmute me
15:04:20 <Zakim> Philippe_Bonnard should no longer be muted
15:04:42 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
15:04:53 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Philippe_Bonnard (67%)
15:05:00 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
15:05:11 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Philippe_Bonnard (61%), ChrisW (29%)
15:05:16 <MichaelKifer> Minutes for April 18 need to be edited futher by Philippe_Bonnard
15:05:18 <ChrisW> ACTION: PhillipeB to clean up minutes from April 18
15:05:37 <Allen> there is an echo
15:05:49 <PhilippeB> Zakim, mute me
15:05:51 <Uli> zakim, P38 may be me
15:05:52 <Zakim> Philippe_Bonnard should now be muted
15:05:56 <Zakim> sorry, Uli, I do not understand your question
15:06:27 <Uli> zakim,  ??P38 is probably Uli
15:06:27 <Zakim> +Uli?; got it
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15:07:49 <PaulaP> q+
15:07:54 <sandro> [DONE] ACTION: Sandro to set up registration page for F2F3
15:08:09 <sandro> [DONE] ACTION: Public membership list needs to be extended to include Alex
15:08:12 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/38457/f2f3reg/
15:08:27 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/38457/f2f3reg/
15:08:48 <Zakim> +Jos_De_Roo
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15:09:40 <Zakim> +Mala_Mehrotra
15:10:20 <Zakim> +Christian
15:10:52 <csma> zakim, Christian is me
15:10:52 <Zakim> +csma; got it
15:11:05 <JosDeRoo> zakim, mute me
15:11:05 <Zakim> Jos_De_Roo should now be muted
15:11:19 <MichaelKifer> ppl should register to attend the F2F3 and to get transportation
15:12:58 <Allen> yes
15:12:58 <csma> ACTION: Paula to check on phone-call-in capability, and if we'll have a speaker phone, and network at f2f3? [DONE]
15:12:59 <MichaelKifer> sandro will set up a straw poll to decide the location/time of F2F4
15:13:23 <csma> ok
15:13:43 <JosDeRoo> zakim. unmute me
15:13:45 <csma> ACTION: Sandro set up straw-poll on F2F4 (MITRE - 3 different dates - and Peter/ISWC) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/18-rif-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUED]
15:13:54 <csma> ack josdero
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15:14:26 <Francois> zakim, who is speaking.
15:14:26 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is speaking', Francois
15:14:38 <ChrisW> jos de roo is speaking
15:14:58 <csma> zakim, unmute me
15:14:58 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
15:15:19 <MichaelKifer> ChrisW: Need a liason to SPARQL. Leave Enrico as the liason
15:16:48 <sandro> Haley
15:16:49 <csma> Haley
15:17:09 <Zakim> +JeffP
15:17:27 <csma> http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20060418005368&newsLang=en
15:17:44 <Hassan> http://www.computerwire.com/industries/research/?pid=E64311AB-B294-4F5A-A355-22EA0C08EA0A
15:17:45 <MichaelKifer> csma: nothing new as far as PRR, but Haley has released a new production language HRML (Haley Rule Markup Language)
15:18:35 <Zakim> +Gary_Hallmark
15:18:53 <Hassan> http://xml.coverpages.org/ORMML-coopis02.pdf
15:20:09 <Hassan> http://www.haley.com/0422488215392258/newsevents/PressRelease_JSR94_Release_Final_200604.html
15:20:53 <LeoraMorgenstern> zakim, unmute me
15:20:53 <Zakim> Leora_Morgenstern should no longer be muted
15:21:00 <LeoraMorgenstern> q+
15:21:08 <PaulaP> q-
15:21:16 <MichaelKifer> csma: no news as far as SBVR, ODM are concerned. Maybe a new co-chair.
15:21:17 <csma> ACTION: Francois write up what he's saying on the DesignConstraints page
15:21:18 <csma> See message and ensuing thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Apr/0053.html 
15:21:24 <LeoraMorgenstern> zakim, mute me
15:21:24 <Zakim> Leora_Morgenstern should now be muted
15:21:24 <csma> ACTION: Francois write up what he's saying on the DesignConstraints page
15:21:25 <csma> See message and ensuing thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Apr/0053.html 
15:21:34 <csma> ACTION: Francois write up what he's saying on the DesignConstraints page
15:21:35 <csma> See message and ensuing thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Apr/0053.html 
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15:22:26 <csma> ACTION: Leora to set up draft proposal on what we mean by FOL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/18-rif-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUED]
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15:22:41 <csma> ACTION: Leora to Write up CSF for FOL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/18-rif-minutes.html#action03]
15:22:42 <csma> [CONTINUED]
15:23:02 <ChrisW> [DONE] ACTION: Francois write up what he's saying on the DesignConstraints page
15:23:10 <csma> ACTION: Sandro and Igor to find a name+definition for the
15:23:11 <csma> "pure prolog" requirement that does not mention "pure prolog" [recorded
15:23:11 <csma> in  http://www.w3.org/2006/04/11-rif-minutes.html#action10]
15:23:16 <csma> [CONTINUED]
15:23:26 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/2006-04-25_Meeting
15:25:03 <csma> ACTION: Sandro to discuss on email whether the "pure prolog" requirement can be replaced by a "horn logic" requirement or if we need both [CONTINUED]
15:25:41 <ChrisW> [DROPPED] ACTION: Frank will produce an initial diagram with existing constraints 
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15:25:50 <csma> ACTION: Frank will produce an initial diagram with existing constraints [DROPPED]
15:26:16 <csma> ACTION: sandro to clarify meaning of sound and what is the requirement on RIF [CONTINUED]
15:26:33 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:26:34 <csma> ACTION: Sandro to clarify whether sound reasoning constraint with unknown dialects is a requirement or a critical success factor [CONTINUED]
15:27:49 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:30:13 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/RIF_must_define_for_all_RIF_elements_a_default_behaviour_for_compliant_applications_that_do_not_know_how_to_process_it
15:31:41 <MichaelKifer> Chris: requirement that RIF must be able to pass on pieces of XML that it dosnt understand.
15:33:36 <pfps> q+
15:33:54 <StanDevitt> How does this differ from having a default behavior for compliant applications that do understand how to do it?
15:34:13 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:35:06 <johnhall> zakim, IPcaller is me
15:35:06 <Zakim> +johnhall; got it
15:35:13 <johnhall> zakim, mute me
15:35:13 <Zakim> johnhall should now be muted
15:35:22 <MichaelKifer> csma: RIF should be able to <em>describe</em> what to do with pieces that it does not understand
15:35:33 <LeoraMorgenstern> no,
15:35:34 <csma> ack leora
15:35:35 <ChrisW> q?
15:35:38 <LeoraMorgenstern> that was just leftover
15:35:43 <ChrisW> ack leora
15:35:47 <ChrisW> ack pfps
15:35:52 <csma> ack pfps
15:35:54 <LeoraMorgenstern> zakim, mute me
15:35:54 <Zakim> Leora_Morgenstern should now be muted
15:35:57 <Zakim> -StanDevitt
15:36:30 <MichaelKifer> pfps: [to csma] should every rule set come with a spec of the default action?
15:37:15 <Hassan> q+
15:37:35 <PaulV> [procedural item] looks like Zakim cannot handle >1 IPCaller :) - I see myself, StanDevitt and John Hall registering IPCaller
15:38:04 <Uli> q+
15:38:20 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:38:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Francois (muted), MoZ (muted), Philippe_Bonnard (muted), Sandro, ChrisW, Leora_Morgenstern (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci, Michael_Kifer, Harold, Deborah_Nichols
15:38:24 <Zakim> ... (muted), PaulaP (muted), Allen_Ginsberg (muted), josb (muted), Dave_Reynolds (muted), MarkusK (muted), AxelPolleres (muted), pfps, DavidHirtle (muted), Uli? (muted), Jos_De_Roo
15:38:27 <Zakim> ... (muted), Mala_Mehrotra, csma, JeffP, Gary_Hallmark, PaulV, johnhall (muted)
15:38:46 <ChrisW> looks ok to me
15:39:07 <ChrisW> q?
15:39:16 <MichaelKifer> csma: the producer should be able to state what should RIF do with unsupported features (eg, ignore them)
15:39:47 <ChrisW> ack hassan
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15:41:34 <MichaelKifer> Hasan: These actions must be tied into the semantics
15:42:17 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:42:45 <MichaelKifer> Hasan: should look closer at the RIF condition language proposal in conjunction with csma's requirement
15:43:50 <MichaelKifer> csms: believes that handling unknown features can be done independent of any semantics
15:44:13 <Uli> we are just having a fire alarm warning, so might have to run off and leave the building
15:44:21 <GaryHallmark> q+
15:45:18 <ChrisW> ack uli
15:45:39 <MichaelKifer> Hasan: csms's requirement is supported by the RIF condition language proposal
15:46:40 <Hassan> q+
15:46:47 <Hassan> q-
15:47:21 <PaulaP> +1 to Chris' comment on the independence requirements - architecture
15:50:11 <PaulaP> q+
15:50:42 <MichaelKifer> csma: the consumer should be able to decide if parts of the ruleset are not understood; but csma agrees that this may be too simplistic
15:52:23 <ChrisW> q?
15:52:35 <Zakim> -Philippe_Bonnard
15:52:35 <csma> ACTION: csma to modify compliance reqs to make it more like a req
15:52:51 <MichaelKifer> ACTION: csma will modify the requirement to clarify it
15:55:06 <ChrisW> ack gary
15:55:31 <ChrisW> rrsagent, drop item 15
15:55:31 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'drop item 15', ChrisW.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:56:44 <Uli> q+
15:58:27 <ChrisW> rrsagent, drop action 15
15:58:49 <ChrisW> zakim, ack paula
15:58:49 <Zakim> I see Uli on the speaker queue
16:00:42 <StanDevitt> What I am hearing is that the producer may "prefer" that priorty be used if present, but that it is not necessary.
16:00:49 <StanDevitt> #rif
16:00:57 <GaryHallmark> Gary: can all the burden be on the translator and keep the RIF clean?
16:01:25 <MichaelKifer> csma: an example of a use of my requirement is rules with certainty factors; these maybe omitted if these factors do not affect the semantics [editor's note: this is rarely the case]
16:01:26 <ChrisW> ack uli
16:01:42 <GaryHallmark> Gary: for example, instead of tagging priority as optional, just don't use priority in rulesets for maximum interoperability
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16:02:51 <StanDevitt> What I am hearing is that the author can specify a priority list of interpretations.
16:02:58 <Hassan> Chris: you are describing a taxonmy of semantics
16:03:20 <MichaelKifer> Priorities among rules do affect the semantics in most cases -- this is like the case statement
16:03:28 <StanDevitt> e.g.  Use priority if it is available, but otherwise use non-prioirty.
16:03:34 <ChrisW> the "RIF RAF" was supposed to be doing that
16:03:35 <Hassan> The taxonomy is the basis that may be extended - this what Uli is saying as well
16:03:43 <ChrisW> yes, i think so
16:04:11 <Hassan> +1 to what Uli is saying!!!
16:04:31 <ChrisW> so a lattice instead of a hierarchy
16:05:13 <StanDevitt> The analogy is like a list of fonts to choose from in CSS - the author having preferences, but being happy with any choice. 
16:05:17 <Hassan> any partial order may be extended to a boolean lattice using disjunctions
16:06:15 <MichaelKifer> Uli: the extensibility mechanism should be handled at the level of taxonomies of dialects (similar point as Hasan's)
16:08:10 <ChrisW> q?
16:08:31 <csma> ACTION:csma to clarify use of terms like 'consumer', producer, translator etc
16:08:36 <ChrisW> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Apr/0068.html
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16:09:51 <MichaelKifer> Discussion of the extensibility mechanism based on the "RIF Condition Language"
16:10:12 <Uli> Michael: I agree that we can have such a "seed" mechanism, but then this could be even extended, according to the needs
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16:14:44 <Zakim> +csma.a
16:15:04 <Uli> q+
16:17:50 <ChrisW> ack uli
16:18:12 <Zakim> -csma
16:20:53 <josb> +1 to Harold: we need to cater for different ways of integration with ontologies
16:21:07 <MichaelKifer> Harold gave an overview of the approach based on conditions
16:21:13 <StanDevitt> q+
16:21:57 <pfps> q+
16:22:11 <Hassan> What is the paper's reference mentioned by Michael? Pointers?
16:22:18 <MichaelKifer> csma: how do we access Java objects, not just ontologies?
16:23:15 <DaveReynolds> q+
16:23:20 <ChrisW> ack stan
16:23:49 <MoZ> Harold, 'Forall' is used but not defined, have I miss something ? 
16:23:57 <sandro> +1 ! thanks to Harold & Michael and whoever else worked on this
16:24:40 <MichaelKifer> Hasan, this is a paper, which will appear in KR2006. He sent me a private copy. I can ask him if I can share this or u can ask him for a copy: rosati at dis.uniroma1.it
16:25:36 <ChrisW> The KR papers will be available on the web in a few days
16:26:03 <Hassan> Thanks Michael - I will ask him.
16:26:58 <MoZ> for extensibility we can define <operation name="Exists"..> instead of <Exists>
16:28:00 <MichaelKifer> StanDevitt: adding features to a language interferes with extensibility because this requires that we change XML Schema
16:28:11 <DavidHirtle> MoZ, the basis is Horn -- universal quantification (Forall) is referred to as a later extension
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16:28:32 <MoZ> DavidHirtle, thanks
16:28:46 <ChrisW> q?
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16:29:04 <MichaelKifer> Harold, csma, others: the schema extensibility issue can be solved by inheritance or substitution groups
16:29:13 <ChrisW> ack pfps
16:30:00 <Hassan> +1 with Peter - I think
16:30:02 <Zakim> -Francois
16:30:06 <DaveReynolds> ack me
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16:31:01 <josb> +1 with Peter: some (extended) languages might have unnamed individuals, especially when considering extension to FOL
16:31:21 <MichaelKifer> pfps: concern that the semantics of "RIF Cond Lang" is based on binding variables to named objects -- this is not a general model-theoretic semantics
16:31:23 <Hassan> Substitutions are just constraints over Herbrands Trees
16:32:17 <MichaelKifer> Discussion of the F2F4 straw poll
16:33:34 <MichaelKifer> sandro: why should the poll count individual rather than individuals? Because we want organizations to be represented, not just individuals
16:33:43 <Zakim> -Harold
16:33:45 <PaulV> bye
16:33:47 <Uli> Uli has left #rif
16:33:58 <MichaelKifer> end-of-meeting
16:33:59 <Zakim> -Hassan_Ait-Kaci
16:34:01 <Zakim> -josb
16:34:01 <Zakim> -PaulV
16:34:01 <PaulaP> bye
16:34:02 <Zakim> -Deborah_Nichols
16:34:03 <Zakim> -Jos_De_Roo
16:34:04 <Zakim> -Gary_Hallmark
16:34:04 <JeffP> bye
16:34:05 <Zakim> -johnhall
16:34:06 <Zakim> -Dave_Reynolds
16:34:08 <Zakim> -PaulaP
16:34:10 <sandro> rrsagent, make minutes
16:34:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/04/25-rif-minutes.html sandro
16:34:13 <Zakim> -MoZ
16:34:15 <Zakim> -JeffP
16:34:16 <Zakim> -Leora_Morgenstern
16:34:18 <Zakim> -Allen_Ginsberg
16:34:19 <StanDevitt> bye
16:34:23 <Zakim> -DavidHirtle
16:34:24 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
16:34:33 <PaulaP> PaulaP has left #rif
16:34:37 <Zakim> -StanDevitt
16:34:57 <MalaMehrotra> bye
16:35:12 <Zakim> -Mala_Mehrotra
16:35:43 <Zakim> -Uli?
16:35:51 <Zakim> -Michael_Kifer
16:35:56 <Zakim> -MarkusK
16:35:57 <Zakim> -pfps
16:36:02 <csma> zakim, who is bon the call?
16:36:02 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, csma.
16:36:16 <csma> zakim, who is on the call?
16:36:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, ChrisW, csma.a
16:39:20 <Zakim> -Sandro
16:39:22 <Zakim> -ChrisW
16:39:24 <Zakim> -csma.a
16:39:25 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
16:39:26 <Zakim> Attendees were MoZ, Philippe_Bonnard, Francois, Sandro, Leora_Morgenstern, ChrisW, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, Michael_Kifer, Deborah_Nichols, Harold, PaulaP, Allen_Ginsberg, Dave_Reynolds,
16:39:31 <Zakim> ... josb, MarkusK, AxelPolleres, pfps, DavidHirtle, Uli?, Jos_De_Roo, Mala_Mehrotra, csma, JeffP, Gary_Hallmark, PaulV, StanDevitt, johnhall
17:01:20 <Harold> Harold has left #rif
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