IRC log of er on 2006-04-19

Timestamps are in UTC.

13:54:07 [RRSAgent]

RRSAgent has joined #er

13:54:07 [RRSAgent]

logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/04/19-er-irc

13:54:30 [Zakim]

Zakim has joined #er

13:54:38 [shadi]

zakim, this will be ert

13:54:38 [Zakim]

ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes

13:54:47 [shadi]

meeting: ERT WG

13:55:11 [shadi]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Apr/0013.html

13:55:15 [shadi]

chair: Shadi

13:55:26 [shadi]

scribe: Jim

13:56:29 [ChrisR]

ChrisR has joined #er

13:57:44 [shadi]

agenda+ EARL pointers proposal by Jim

13:57:52 [shadi]

agenda+ Requirements for Web ContentS by CarlosI

13:59:12 [JohannesK]

JohannesK has joined #er

14:00:16 [Zakim]

WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started

14:00:17 [Zakim]

+Shadi

14:00:22 [Zakim]

+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

14:00:24 [Zakim]

-Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

14:00:26 [Zakim]

+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

14:00:30 [drooks]

drooks has joined #er

14:00:51 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:01:18 [Zakim]

-Shadi

14:01:19 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller.a]

14:01:36 [drooks]

zakim, ipcaller is drooks

14:01:36 [Zakim]

+drooks; got it

14:01:39 [Zakim]

+Shadi

14:02:12 [shadi]

zakim, ipcaller.a is really Chris

14:02:12 [Zakim]

+Chris; got it

14:03:20 [CarlosI]

CarlosI has joined #er

14:05:17 [Zakim]

+ +34.98.439.aaaa

14:05:20 [Zakim]

- +34.98.439.aaaa

14:06:12 [Zakim]

+ +34.98.439.aabb

14:06:32 [shadi]

zakim, aaaa is really CarlosI

14:06:32 [Zakim]

sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

14:06:37 [shadi]

zakim, aabb is really CarlosI

14:06:37 [Zakim]

+CarlosI; got it

14:06:44 [Zakim]

-drooks

14:07:14 [Zakim]

-CarlosI

14:07:24 [drooks]

skype playing up, be back in a second

14:07:27 [drooks]

drooks has left #er

14:08:24 [niq]

niq has joined #er

14:08:49 [shadi]

yes!

14:08:51 [shadi]

:)

14:09:25 [drooks]

drooks has joined #er

14:10:02 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:10:20 [shadi]

zakim, ipcaller is really Nick

14:10:20 [Zakim]

+Nick; got it

14:10:30 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:10:50 [shadi]

zakim, ipcaller is really David

14:10:50 [Zakim]

+David; got it

14:10:54 [shadi]

carlos?

14:12:03 [shadi]

scribe: David

14:12:11 [shadi]

scribenick: drooks

14:12:29 [CarlosI]

need to restart the system, be back in a few minutes

14:12:36 [carlos]

carlos has joined #er

14:14:38 [shadi]

agenda+ Editing ERT Documents

14:14:46 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 3

14:14:46 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Editing ERT Documents" taken up [from shadi]

14:15:43 [drooks]

earl guide - version for review should be available for end of week

14:15:43 [CarlosI]

CarlosI has joined #er

14:15:56 [shadi]

s/earl guide/earl schema

14:16:39 [Zakim]

+CarlosI

14:18:48 [drooks]

JK - no use case for uri in rdf

14:21:27 [drooks]

JK - no change to rca22

14:25:01 [shadi]

action: johannes update RFC822-in-RDF and HTTP-in-RDF document to capture latest changes, and send to the group by 1st may

14:25:02 [Zakim]

-Nick

14:25:30 [drooks]

s/rca22/rfc822

14:26:51 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:26:55 [shadi]

action: CarlosV send an updated EARL Guide document to list by 5th may

14:27:06 [shadi]

zakim, ipcaller is really Nick

14:27:06 [Zakim]

+Nick; got it

14:27:47 [shadi]

action: shadi and charles send an updated EARL Schema document to list by 22 april

14:28:51 [shadi]

zakim, close agendum 3

14:28:51 [Zakim]

agendum 3, Editing ERT Documents, closed

14:28:52 [Zakim]

I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:28:53 [Zakim]

1. EARL pointers proposal by Jim [from shadi]

14:29:02 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 2

14:29:02 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Requirements for Web ContentS by CarlosI" taken up [from shadi]

14:32:15 [drooks]

we are looking for something to describe groups of pages

14:34:49 [drooks]

i am having trouble hearing niq

14:35:43 [niq]

skype--

14:37:30 [drooks]

we have a problem - how to relate specific error/result to groups of pages rather than repeating error/result. i.e. for result A pages x,y,z apply

14:38:44 [drooks]

sorry, just lost my sound

14:39:06 [Zakim]

-David

14:40:14 [niq]

saz: we have multi-value location pointers for that

14:40:37 [drooks]

drooks has left #er

14:41:20 [JohannesK]

CV: CI's requirements about scope of tests or scope of claims?

14:41:57 [drooks]

drooks has joined #er

14:42:29 [JohannesK]

SAZ: main motivation is make claims; need for describing groups of resources

14:42:36 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:42:48 [drooks]

zakim, ipcaller is drooks

14:42:48 [Zakim]

+drooks; got it

14:43:32 [JohannesK]

SAZ: no big difference between the two use cases

14:44:15 [JohannesK]

CV: use of wild cards leeds to problems; need to list all URLs

14:45:29 [JohannesK]

s/leeds/leads/

14:45:40 [JohannesK]

CV: Nick's proposal is too complex

14:47:11 [JohannesK]

CV: we need a resource list

14:47:40 [Zakim]

-Nick

14:48:57 [JohannesK]

CI: need different view on report (project leader, developer, ...)

14:49:58 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:50:06 [JohannesK]

SAZ: EARL report needs to include whole data, applications may transform different views from EARL

14:51:19 [JohannesK]

SAZ: there may be situations where resource list can be collapsed

14:52:02 [JohannesK]

CV: application can create collapsed things

14:53:11 [JohannesK]

CI: use case: collapse information before transmitting via web service

14:55:54 [Zakim]

-Chris

14:56:01 [ChrisR]

ChrisR has left #er

14:57:27 [Zakim]

-[IPcaller]

14:57:35 [JohannesK]

SAZ: use http://example.org for whole domain?

14:57:43 [JohannesK]

JK: this is just one resource

14:57:53 [JohannesK]

SAZ: people may misuse this

14:58:19 [JohannesK]

CV: that's why I want list of specific resources

14:58:58 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:59:18 [JohannesK]

SAZ: do we want blanket statements?

15:01:00 [JohannesK]

SAZ: need further discussion on the list

15:01:46 [JohannesK]

CV: it is possible to go from specific to general, but not the other way round

15:02:05 [shadi]

action: shadi summarize issue about blanket statements to the group

15:02:37 [shadi]

action: everyone read, think, and comment on the issue on the mailing list

15:03:54 [Zakim]

-drooks

15:03:56 [Zakim]

-Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

15:03:57 [Zakim]

-[IPcaller]

15:03:58 [Zakim]

-Shadi

15:04:10 [shadi]

*LOL*

15:04:27 [shadi]

drop action 6

15:04:35 [Zakim]

-CarlosI

15:04:37 [Zakim]

WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended

15:04:38 [Zakim]

Attendees were Shadi, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, drooks, Chris, +34.98.439.aaaa, +34.98.439.aabb, CarlosI, Nick, David, [IPcaller]

15:04:45 [shadi]

zakim, bye

15:04:45 [Zakim]

Zakim has left #er

15:05:12 [shadi]

rrsagent, drop action 6

15:05:26 [shadi]

rrsagent, make logs world

15:05:34 [shadi]

rrsagent, make minutes

15:05:34 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/04/19-er-minutes.html shadi

15:06:02 [shadi]

rrsagent, make logs world

15:06:51 [shadi]

rrsagent, bye

15:06:51 [RRSAgent]

I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/19-er-actions.rdf :

15:06:51 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: johannes update RFC822-in-RDF and HTTP-in-RDF document to capture latest changes, and send to the group by 1st may [1]

15:06:51 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/19-er-irc#T14-25-01

15:06:51 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: CarlosV send an updated EARL Guide document to list by 5th may [2]

15:06:51 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/19-er-irc#T14-26-55

15:06:51 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: shadi and charles send an updated EARL Schema document to list by 22 april [3]

15:06:51 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/19-er-irc#T14-27-47

15:06:51 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: shadi summarize issue about blanket statements to the group [4]

15:06:51 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/19-er-irc#T15-02-05

15:06:51 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: everyone read, think, and comment on the issue on the mailing list [5]

15:06:51 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/19-er-irc#T15-02-37