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13:58:47 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS working group
13:58:50 <fsasaki> chair: Yves
13:58:51 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
13:58:57 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
13:59:12 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0007.html
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14:00:15 <Zakim> + +1.303.516.aaaa
14:01:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:01:23 <Zakim> - +1.303.516.aaaa
14:01:24 <Zakim> + +1.303.516.aaaa
14:01:44 <fsasaki> zakim, who is here?
14:01:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.303.516.aaaa, [IPcaller]
14:01:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, chriLi, Zakim, fsasaki, YvesS
14:02:00 <fsasaki> zakim, [IPcaller is Felix
14:02:00 <Zakim> +Felix; got it
14:03:07 <fsasaki> zakim, [1.303.516.aaaa is Yves
14:03:07 <Zakim> sorry, fsasaki, I do not recognize a party named '[1.303.516.aaaa'
14:03:20 <fsasaki> zakim, +1.303.516.aaaa is Yves
14:03:20 <Zakim> +Yves; got it
14:03:27 <fsasaki> zakim, who is here?
14:03:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Yves, Felix
14:03:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, chriLi, Zakim, fsasaki, YvesS
14:04:10 <Zakim> +??P15
14:04:24 <fsasaki> zakim, ??P15 is Christian
14:04:24 <Zakim> +Christian; got it
14:05:53 <fsasaki> regrets: Sebastian, Andrzej
14:05:58 <fsasaki> topic: action items
14:06:33 <fsasaki> topic: versioning
14:06:36 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2876
14:07:04 <fsasaki> Yves: last summary was to have an its:version attribute, to put at the top of the document
14:07:24 <fsasaki> .. Martin had some comments about the future version
14:07:35 <fsasaki> Felix: would it be in the rules element as well?
14:07:39 <Zakim> +Diane_Stoick
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14:08:55 <fsasaki> Yves: if it is an external file which is not linked
14:09:12 <fsasaki> .. if it has a version, you take the rules from the top level element in that file
14:10:20 <fsasaki> .. XSLT puts the version in the root element as well
14:12:26 <fsasaki> Christian: I'd go for a version attribute both at the top of the doc and the rules element
14:12:30 <fsasaki> Felix: XSLT way:
14:12:33 <fsasaki> [[[Definition: There are a number of standard attributes that may appear on any XSLT element: specifically version, exclude-result-prefixes, extension-element-prefixes, xpath-default-namespace, default-collation, and use-when.]]]
14:13:27 <fsasaki> Yves: rules can have their own version, they are prossed before the other ones
14:14:14 <fsasaki> Christian: We could say: If you include a rules element
14:14:26 <fsasaki> .. in your document, you could put the version identifier in the rules element
14:14:47 <fsasaki> .. if you don't have a rules element, then put it on the top most element of the host vocabulary
14:16:21 <chriLi> test
14:16:31 <fsasaki> Yves: do we need that for version 1?
14:17:35 <chriLi> We don't want this, right? <foo its:version="1.0"><its:documentRules xmlns:its="http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its" its:version="1.0">
14:19:00 <fsasaki> Yves: why not?
14:19:13 <fsasaki> .. the rules element is s.t. you can link
14:19:21 <fsasaki> .. so it may be of a different version
14:21:07 <fsasaki> Christian: you should have either
14:22:57 <fsasaki> Yves: summary: either a version number at the top of the document, or in the rules element
14:23:05 <fsasaki> Christian: no, always in the rules element
14:23:55 <fsasaki> Yves: what if you would have both?
14:24:55 <fsasaki> Felix: for the top of the document, the version attribute at the root element counts, for the rules element, the mandatory attribute at the rules element
14:27:03 <fsasaki> Yves: how about having a version attribute at top of the document only? That could be used for external rules as well
14:27:14 <chriLi> I suggest: It is incorrect to have its:version at the top-level if there exists an its:Rules
14:27:15 <chriLi> I suggest: It is incorrect to have its:version at the top-level if there exists an its:Rules
14:28:53 <fsasaki> Yves: if you have rules, it is the rules version
14:29:09 <fsasaki> .. if you have local only, it is local only, if you have both, it is the rules which wins
14:30:03 <fsasaki> Diane: I think we need that information somewhere
14:30:16 <fsasaki> Yves: we can try that
14:30:40 <fsasaki> .. so let's go for that
14:31:43 <fsasaki> action: Yves to write a paragraph on versioning for the tagset draft
14:32:17 <fsasaki> topic: Decide on term "localization properties"
14:32:47 <fsasaki> Yves: everybody agrees that we will have no change on this?
14:33:44 <fsasaki> action: Yves to summarize the terminology discussion on "localization properties"
14:33:49 <fsasaki> topic: Decide on term "data category"
14:33:53 <fsasaki> Yves: again agreement
14:34:02 <fsasaki> action: Yves to summarize "loc prop" discussion
14:34:23 <fsasaki> topic: conformance section
14:34:37 <fsasaki> Yves: any further comments?
14:35:33 <fsasaki> .. according for our schedule, that will be an item this week
14:36:00 <fsasaki> topic: further action items
14:36:16 <fsasaki> action: Editor's of the techniques document: give examples how to use its:locInfoRef (ONGOING)
14:36:29 <fsasaki> Yves: if you have comments, please tell me
14:38:11 <fsasaki> Felix: we could use the period of ITS tagset last call for that
14:38:30 <fsasaki> action: Richard to describe an additional level of conformance for Ruby (PENDING)
14:38:58 <fsasaki> action: Felix to remind Richard of ruby additional level
14:39:21 <fsasaki> action: Spec editors to integrate discussion result about bugs 2881,2,3 (PENDING)
14:39:58 <fsasaki> Yves: we wait until Friday to see if people agree
14:40:08 <fsasaki> action: Felix to write a mail to the data category thread (DROPPED)
14:40:36 <fsasaki> action: Yves to see what problems could happen if there is no prefix at rule elements? (DONE)
14:40:51 <fsasaki> Yves: I tried that with my implementations, but there were no problems
14:41:54 <fsasaki> Felix: in the next draft, it will still be with prefixes, due to editing problems
14:42:05 <fsasaki> action: Yves to write a mail about his finding about the usage of "overriding" (DONE)
14:42:57 <fsasaki> Yves: even Richard used "overriding"
14:43:21 <fsasaki> .. Sebastian gave two definitions
14:44:55 <fsasaki> action: Sebastian to give feedback on the overriding change proposal, Diane to look at it again
14:45:28 <fsasaki> topic: last call preparation
14:46:51 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html
14:48:39 <fsasaki> Felix: please give feedback of my changes with regard to syntax changes
14:48:47 <fsasaki> Christian: I made only initial changes
14:49:24 <fsasaki> .. it will be a section "introduction" and "basic concepts"
14:49:37 <fsasaki> .. I will work on it later today, and tomorrow
14:51:44 <fsasaki> Yves: how about publishing on Friday?
14:52:02 <fsasaki> Felix: o.k., Friday next week
14:52:50 <fsasaki> .. with final input of Christian on Friday this week
14:54:13 <fsasaki> .. as for groups, please tell me from whom you want to have feedback 
14:54:19 <fsasaki> yves: how about XSLT people?
14:54:30 <fsasaki> christian: is it good design to have localizable in XSLT?
14:54:34 <fsasaki> yves: it is reality
14:55:40 <fsasaki> action: everybody to think about which W3C working groups shoud comment on the tagset last call draft
14:55:45 <fsasaki> topic: topics for next week
14:55:52 <fsasaki> yves: conformance to be finalized
14:56:00 <fsasaki> .. element within text
14:56:33 <fsasaki> .. ruby
14:58:00 <fsasaki> action: everybody to look at rescheduling proposed at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0001.html
14:58:29 <fsasaki> topic: next face-to-face meeting (after Oxford)
14:59:44 <fsasaki> felix: end of last call period would be good
14:59:52 <fsasaki> yves: how about specific locations?
15:00:10 <fsasaki> yves: I would propose "Boulder"
15:00:21 <fsasaki> .. it is far for people in Europe
15:00:57 <Zakim> -Diane_Stoick
15:01:02 <fsasaki> felix: as we discuss last call issues, we need as many people as possible
15:03:08 <fsasaki> topic: XTech paper
15:03:13 <fsasaki> felix: deadline is http://xtech06.usefulinc.com/content/speakers
15:04:30 <Zakim> -Felix
15:04:32 <Zakim> -Yves
15:04:41 <fsasaki> .. first create input to tag set draft, then to the XTech paper
15:04:55 <fsasaki> Yves: on Friday, we will discuss Christian's changes
15:04:56 <Zakim> -Christian
15:04:58 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
15:04:59 <Zakim> Attendees were [IPcaller], Felix, Yves, Christian, Diane_Stoick
15:05:09 <fsasaki> present: Christian, Diane, Felix, Yves
15:05:43 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
15:05:54 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:05:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/04/05-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
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15:08:58 <GoutamSaha> Hi Christian, Hi Diane
15:35:41 <GoutamSaha> bye
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