IRC log of i18ncore on 2006-04-04

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meeting: i18n core working group
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chair: Francois
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scribe: Felix
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scribeNick: fsasaki
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last minutes:
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agenda+ action items
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agenda+ ws i18n republication schedule
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agenda+ charmod resid progress
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agenda+ LTLI / RFC 3066bis project review
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agenda+ Voice XML and charmod (fundamentals)
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zakim, [ is fyergeau
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+fyergeau; got it
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "action items" taken up [from fsasaki]
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action: Felix to make regular call 1 hour earlier (talk to zakim)(DONE)
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Felix to talk to Martin on IRI tests (DONE)
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action: Mary to look at WS Addr (PENDING)
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action: felix to go trough LTLI within the next 2 weeks (PENDING)
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felix: hope to have this done next week (again)
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action: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (ONGOING)
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action: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu on ws i18n (PENDING)
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action: Richard to go through the xml:lang CDR review issue (DROPPED)
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "ws i18n republication schedule" taken up [from fsasaki]
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felix: got feedback that we should slow down publication of this
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.. i.e. not before May, better June
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zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "charmod resid progress" taken up [from fsasaki]
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Felix: mail from Martin
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.. we need an implementation report for resid
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Richard: charmod needs implementation in specs
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Francois: for resid, you have to show that browsers or servers to the right thing
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Felix: do we then have to write an implementation report?
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Francois: in the resid spec, there are four requirements
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.. we require a test suite, but the document places requirements on spec
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.. the document is just a wrapper on the IETF IRI spec
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Richard: conformance criteria are just about specs
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action: Felix to find out where the tests from Martin are located
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action: Felix to find out what we need in the IRI implementation report
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Francois: We did require a test suite
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.. what we could do is an implementation report related to specs
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Felix: how many specs cite charmod resid?
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Francois: they don't need to cite it, just be compliant
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[[C061 [S] Specifications that define new syntax for URIs SHOULD also define the normalization requirements for the syntax they introduce.]]
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Richard: we left that in there because we are not defining what the normalization requirements are
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.. so we are fine with this
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action: Felix to write an implementation report on charmod resid
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "LTLI / RFC 3066bis project review" taken up [from fsasaki]
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Felix: I asked Addison if he could participate in a project review about RFC 3066bis
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Richard: when will you do that?
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Felix: in the next months
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Richard: we have to figure out some things
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.. and it should be after the doc is finalized
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.. I am writing s.t. about the first part part of RFC 3066bis
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.. for the www conference, and to put on the i18n site
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zakim, take up agendum 5
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agendum 5. "Voice XML and charmod (fundamentals)" taken up [from fsasaki]
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topic: ws addressing review
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mary: I'll get to it this afternoon
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topic: ws i18n update
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mary: It looks like it makes sense
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.. it will not be a 100 page document (like the security document)
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zakim, take up agendum 5
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agendum 5. "Voice XML and charmod (fundamentals)" taken up [from fsasaki]
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Richard: I don't understand the DTMF part
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i don't think *Max* understands the DTMF part
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Francois: there seems to be some misunderstanding
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[[Here's an analysis of why I recommend we do not mandate nor
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recomment compliance to CharMod Fundamentals in VoiceXML2.1.
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action: everybody to look at the mail at
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action: Felix ask Max if he can join next week's i18n core call
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Richard: what will the TAG discuss?
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Karl's tag action item:
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[[ACTION: Karl to bring to the TAG the relationship between charmod and
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XML as large and its implications on specification development
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[[The question seems to be if all future Technologies defined in W3C
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Specifications MUST conform or not to Charmod.
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A related question is for the specifications themselves.
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Richard: the tag question is a general question, different from Max' issues
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.. as we developed charmod, we had something in the conformance section saying "all new W3C specs MUST refer to it"
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.. Tim and others pushed back, so we took that out
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.. in the hope that other specs would refer to charmod
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.. Francois, is this the result?
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Francois: I don't recall anything else
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Richard: that means "don't look at the http header"
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Francois: that stuff breaks all the time
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correction: that means "don't declare the encoding in the http header for xhtml"
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action: all to look at the TAG issue, and intercept Karl
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Felix: should we take over from Karl?
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Richard: I don't think so
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.. it will take some time from us
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.. we should not make a huge deal of it
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topic: other business?
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Attendees were Felix, [IPcaller], fyergeau, Keio, Ishida, Mary
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present: Felix, Francois, Mary, Richard
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hello karunesh
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hello karunesh,
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core meetings start an hour earlier now
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ie. at 2pm UTC
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