IRC log of i18ncore on 2006-04-04

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meeting: i18n core working group

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chair: Francois

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scribe: Felix

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scribeNick: fsasaki

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last minutes: http://www.w3.org/2006/03/28-i18ncore-minutes.html

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Apr/0009.html

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agenda+ action items

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agenda+ ws i18n republication schedule

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agenda+ charmod resid progress

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agenda+ LTLI / RFC 3066bis project review

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agenda+ Voice XML and charmod (fundamentals)

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zakim, dial Keio-617

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ok, fsasaki; the call is being made

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+Keio

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agenda?

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+[IPcaller]

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zakim, [ is fyergeau

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+fyergeau; got it

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-Keio

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+Keio

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zakim, dial ishida

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ok, r12a; the call is being made

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+Ishida

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agenda?

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kazuyo

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zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1. "action items" taken up [from fsasaki]

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action: Felix to make regular call 1 hour earlier (talk to zakim)(DONE)

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Felix to talk to Martin on IRI tests (DONE)

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action: Mary to look at WS Addr (PENDING)

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action: felix to go trough LTLI within the next 2 weeks (PENDING)

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felix: hope to have this done next week (again)

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action: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (ONGOING)

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action: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu on ws i18n (PENDING)

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action: Richard to go through the xml:lang CDR review issue (DROPPED)

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agenda?

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zakim, take up agendum 2

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agendum 2. "ws i18n republication schedule" taken up [from fsasaki]

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felix: got feedback that we should slow down publication of this

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.. i.e. not before May, better June

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zakim, take up agendum 3

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agendum 3. "charmod resid progress" taken up [from fsasaki]

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Apr/0006.html

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Felix: mail from Martin

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.. we need an implementation report for resid

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Richard: charmod needs implementation in specs

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Francois: for resid, you have to show that browsers or servers to the right thing

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Felix: do we then have to write an implementation report?

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Francois: in the resid spec, there are four requirements

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.. we require a test suite, but the document places requirements on spec

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.. the document is just a wrapper on the IETF IRI spec

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Richard: conformance criteria are just about specs

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action: Felix to find out where the tests from Martin are located

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action: Felix to find out what we need in the IRI implementation report

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Francois: We did require a test suite

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.. what we could do is an implementation report related to specs

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Felix: how many specs cite charmod resid?

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Francois: they don't need to cite it, just be compliant

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[[C061 [S] Specifications that define new syntax for URIs SHOULD also define the normalization requirements for the syntax they introduce.]]

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Richard: we left that in there because we are not defining what the normalization requirements are

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.. so we are fine with this

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action: Felix to write an implementation report on charmod resid

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http://www.w3.org/2004/11/charmod-implementation/

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agenda?

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zakim, take up agendum 4

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agendum 4. "LTLI / RFC 3066bis project review" taken up [from fsasaki]

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Felix: I asked Addison if he could participate in a project review about RFC 3066bis

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Richard: when will you do that?

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Felix: in the next months

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Richard: we have to figure out some things

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.. and it should be after the doc is finalized

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.. I am writing s.t. about the first part part of RFC 3066bis

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.. for the www conference, and to put on the i18n site

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zakim, take up agendum 5

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agendum 5. "Voice XML and charmod (fundamentals)" taken up [from fsasaki]

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+[IBM]

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topic: ws addressing review

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mary: I'll get to it this afternoon

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topic: ws i18n update

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mary: It looks like it makes sense

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.. it will not be a 100 page document (like the security document)

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zakim, take up agendum 5

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agendum 5. "Voice XML and charmod (fundamentals)" taken up [from fsasaki]

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Apr/0005.html

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Apr/0011.html

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Richard: I don't understand the DTMF part

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i don't think *Max* understands the DTMF part

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Francois: there seems to be some misunderstanding

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[[Here's an analysis of why I recommend we do not mandate nor

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recomment compliance to CharMod Fundamentals in VoiceXML2.1.

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]]

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action: everybody to look at the mail at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Apr/0011.html

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action: Felix ask Max if he can join next week's i18n core call

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Richard: what will the TAG discuss?

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Karl's tag action item:

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[[ACTION: Karl to bring to the TAG the relationship between charmod and

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XML as large and its implications on specification development

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]]

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[[The question seems to be if all future Technologies defined in W3C

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Specifications MUST conform or not to Charmod.

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A related question is for the specifications themselves.

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]]

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Richard: the tag question is a general question, different from Max' issues

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.. as we developed charmod, we had something in the conformance section saying "all new W3C specs MUST refer to it"

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.. Tim and others pushed back, so we took that out

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.. in the hope that other specs would refer to charmod

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.. Francois, is this the result?

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Francois: I don't recall anything else

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http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/

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http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#no-charset

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Richard: that means "don't look at the http header"

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Francois: that stuff breaks all the time

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correction: that means "don't declare the encoding in the http header for xhtml"

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action: all to look at the TAG issue, and intercept Karl

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Felix: should we take over from Karl?

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Richard: I don't think so

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.. it will take some time from us

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.. we should not make a huge deal of it

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topic: other business?

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-fyergeau

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-Mary

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-Keio

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rrsagent, make log public

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Attendees were Felix, [IPcaller], fyergeau, Keio, Ishida, Mary

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present: Felix, Francois, Mary, Richard

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/04/04-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki

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+Karunesh_Arora

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hello karunesh

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-Karunesh_Arora

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Attendees were

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hello karunesh,

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core meetings start an hour earlier now

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ie. at 2pm UTC

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