IRC log of dawg on 2006-04-04

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14:30:20 [DanC]

agenda + Convene

14:30:26 [DanC]

agenda + DESCRIBE issue

14:30:33 [DanC]

agenda + Toward CR

14:30:40 [DanC]

agenda + JSON results format

14:30:47 [DanC]

agenda + test suite maintenance

14:30:54 [DanC]

agenda + MIME type registrations

14:31:02 [DanC]

agenda + UC&R end-game

14:31:06 [Sven_Groppe]

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14:31:07 [DanC]

Zakim, this is dawg

14:31:07 [Zakim]

ok, DanC; that matches SW_DAWG()10:30AM

14:31:16 [Zakim]

+DanC

14:31:38 [DanC]

Zakim, take up item 1

14:31:38 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Convene" taken up [from DanC]

14:31:44 [DanC]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:31:44 [Zakim]

On the phone I see [IPcaller], Libby_Miller, DanC

14:31:55 [jeen]

Zakim, [IPcaller] is mee

14:31:55 [Zakim]

+mee; got it

14:31:57 [libby]

zakim, mute me

14:31:57 [Zakim]

Libby_Miller should now be muted

14:31:58 [jeen]

er

14:32:00 [jeen]

Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:32:00 [Zakim]

sorry, jeen, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'

14:32:06 [jeen]

Zakim, mee is me

14:32:06 [Zakim]

+jeen; got it

14:32:08 [Zakim]

+Elias_Torres

14:32:09 [DanC]

Zakim, mee is jeen

14:32:09 [Zakim]

sorry, DanC, I do not recognize a party named 'mee'

14:32:18 [DanC]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:32:19 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jeen, Libby_Miller (muted), DanC, Elias_Torres

14:32:32 [EliasT]

Zakim, mute me please

14:32:32 [Zakim]

Elias_Torres should now be muted

14:32:44 [EliasT]

Zakim, Elias_Torres is me

14:32:44 [Zakim]

+EliasT; got it

14:33:01 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:33:02 [DanC]

Regrets: AndyS, Lee Feigenbaum, Souri

14:33:11 [DanC]

Meeting: RDF Data Access

14:33:12 [EliasT]

Jos also sent regrets.

14:33:13 [DanC]

Chair: DanC

14:33:19 [DanC]

Regrets+ JosD

14:33:30 [EliasT]

sorry

14:33:30 [ericP]

Scribe: DanC

14:33:33 [ericP]

Scribe: EricP

14:33:59 [DanC]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:33:59 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jeen, Libby_Miller (muted), DanC, EliasT (muted), EricP

14:34:09 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:34:21 [SteveH]

Zakim, IPcaller is SteveH

14:34:21 [Zakim]

+SteveH; got it

14:34:26 [SteveH]

Zakim, mute me

14:34:26 [Zakim]

SteveH should now be muted

14:34:31 [Zakim]

+Sven_Groppe

14:34:59 [Zakim]

-Sven_Groppe

14:35:36 [DanC]

Regrets+ Janne Saarela

14:35:56 [Zakim]

+Sven_Groppe

14:36:48 [ericP]

PROPOSED: to approve minutes 28 Mar as a true record

14:36:51 [EliasT]

second

14:36:51 [DanC]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JanMar/att-0532/28-dawg-minutes.html minutes 28 Mar

14:37:02 [ericP]

APPROVED. no abstentions or objections

14:37:18 [ericP]

PROPOSED: to meet again Tue, 11 Apr 14:30Z

14:37:25 [DanC]

Zakim, pick a scribe

14:37:25 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose jeen

14:37:30 [EliasT]

Let's nominate someone who's not here..

14:37:46 [DanC]

tentative regrets 11 apr for Jeen

14:37:47 [DanC]

Zakim, pick a scribe

14:37:48 [libby]

me can scribe but not 100%sure I'll be there :-/

14:37:48 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Libby_Miller (muted)

14:37:51 [libby]

heh

14:38:07 [libby]

yeahput me down

14:38:08 [ericP]

APPROVED. Next meeting Tue, 11 Apr 14:30Z; Libby to scribe

14:38:23 [ericP]

ACTION: SergioT to respond to 2005-09-18T15:02:48Z Peter F. Patel-Schneider. [DONE]

14:38:28 [ericP]

-> http://www.w3.org/mid/20050918.110248.43269866.pfps@research.bell-labs.com PFPS's initial mail

14:38:31 [ericP]

-> http://www.w3.org/mid/A021E7C2-C1AC-452E-8937-428A5F37ACEF@inf.unibz.it SergioT's response

14:38:34 [ericP]

-> http://www.w3.org/mid/20060329.070706.22039557.pfps@research.bell-labs.com PFPS's somewhat reluctant acceptance 29 Mar

14:38:37 [ericP]

action -1

14:38:44 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

14:38:44 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "DESCRIBE issue" taken up [from DanC]

14:39:22 [DanC]

see http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#describe 1.672

14:40:26 [DanC]

Zakim, who'e on the phone?

14:40:26 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, DanC.

14:40:32 [EliasT]

Zakim, unmute me

14:40:32 [Zakim]

EliasT should no longer be muted

14:40:33 [DanC]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:40:33 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jeen, Libby_Miller (muted), DanC, EliasT, EricP, SteveH (muted), Sven_Groppe

14:40:37 [SteveH]

Zakim, unmute me

14:40:37 [Zakim]

SteveH should no longer be muted

14:40:52 [ericP]

[around the table on DESCRIBE]

14:41:03 [libby]

sorry, what's the best link?

14:41:07 [ericP]

jeen: current text seems fine to me

14:41:09 [EliasT]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#describe

14:41:14 [DanC]

PROPOSED: postpone DESCRIBE for reasons given in PatH's message, with text per http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#describe 1.672

14:42:20 [libby]

just looking

14:42:21 [DanC]

ack libby

14:42:24 [libby]

zakim, unmute me

14:42:24 [Zakim]

Libby_Miller was not muted, libby

14:42:56 [ericP]

libby: asemantics wanted to keep DESCRIBE in. current text is acceptable

14:42:56 [libby]

zakim, mute me

14:42:56 [Zakim]

Libby_Miller should now be muted

14:43:07 [ericP]

DanC: am content with this proposal

14:43:27 [ericP]

EliasT: text is ok. liked some of Bijan's points

14:43:55 [DanC]

ack steveh

14:44:01 [ericP]

ericP: am happy with current text

14:44:19 [ericP]

SteveH: worried about incompatible implementations but not all that bothered

14:44:26 [EliasT]

DESCRIBE is currently not constrained at all.

14:44:27 [SteveH]

Zakim, mute me

14:44:27 [Zakim]

SteveH should now be muted

14:44:31 [ericP]

Sven_Groppe: It's OK

14:45:15 [DanC]

"This definition intentionally does not prescribe the nature of the relevant information."

14:45:55 [ericP]

EliasT: the RDF graph is not constrained

14:46:06 [ericP]

... I'd like that in the red text

14:46:27 [DanC]

"Current conventions for DESCRIBE return an RDF graph that is not constrained at all."

14:46:43 [DanC]

"Current conventions for DESCRIBE return an arbitrary RDF graph."

14:46:46 [jeen]

Zakim, mute me

14:46:46 [Zakim]

jeen should now be muted

14:49:31 [DanC]

"Current conventions for DESCRIBE return an RDF graph without any specified constraints."

14:51:44 [DanC]

PROPOSED: postpone DESCRIBE for reasons given in PatH's message, with text per http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#describe 1.672 + "Current conventions for DESCRIBE return an RDF graph without any specified constraints."

14:51:50 [EliasT]

second

14:52:37 [ericP]

"Current conventions for DESCRIBE return an RDF graph without any specified constraints."

14:52:45 [DanC]

1.674 $ of $Date: 2006/04/04 14:52:22

14:53:01 [DanC]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JanMar/0523.html rationale from Hayes

14:53:23 [DanC]

so RESOLVED.

14:53:36 [ericP]

APPROVED. no abstentions or objections

14:53:56 [DanC]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JanMar/0528.html danc found some describe tests

14:54:09 [DanC]

tests/data/SyntaxDev/Syntax-SPARQL2/syntax-form-describe01.rq stays

14:54:29 [DanC]

is this an approved test? tests/data/extracted-examples/query-10.4.1.rq

14:54:56 [jeen]

Zakim, unmute me

14:54:56 [Zakim]

jeen should no longer be muted

14:55:11 [DanC]

no, it's not approved

14:55:24 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

14:55:24 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Toward CR" taken up [from DanC]

14:55:43 [ericP]

ACTION: Souri to arrange a phone call with Fred Zemke and interested WG members (Andy + (DanC or EricP)). [DONE]

14:55:46 [ericP]

-> http://www.w3.org/mid/443153AC.1030802@oracle.comnote regrets from Souri

14:55:57 [ericP]

-> http://www.w3.org/mid/443153AC.1030802@oracle.com note regrets from Souri

14:56:02 [ericP]

action -2

14:56:08 [DanC]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2006Mar/0192.html notes on Oracle coordination, conversation with Fred Z

14:56:51 [DanC]

PROPOSED: to go to CR

14:56:57 [EliasT]

second

14:57:05 [DanC]

so RESOLVED.

14:57:31 [DanC]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/crq349 CR request, under evaluation

14:57:41 [DanC]

DanC intends to update w.r.t. Cerebra objections.

14:58:29 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

14:58:31 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "JSON results format" taken up [from DanC]

14:58:39 [ericP]

ACTION: AndyS to review JSON results draft. [DONE]

14:58:40 [ericP]

-> http://www.w3.org/mid/442BD95F.1020304@hp.com AndyS's review

14:59:34 [DanC]

Revision 1.5 2006/03/30 17:39:30 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/json-sparql/

14:59:38 [ericP]

EliasT, I think KendallC has checked in everything.

14:59:43 [ericP]

EliasT: I think KendallC has checked in everything.

15:00:21 [ericP]

PROPOSED: to get around to publishing http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/json-sparql/

15:01:02 [SteveH]

yes

15:01:37 [DanC]

... with any edits agreed by EricP + Elias

15:01:47 [DanC]

so RESOLVED.

15:02:03 [ericP]

no abstentions or objections

15:02:26 [ericP]

ACTION: EricP to publish http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/json-sparql/

15:02:38 [DanC]

no guarantees about timeliness

15:02:40 [ericP]

action -3

15:02:58 [ericP]

action -2

15:03:13 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

15:03:14 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "test suite maintenance" taken up [from DanC]

15:03:22 [ericP]

ACTION: EricP to work on [2006-02-24T08:45:23Z Olivier Corby], potentially automating examples2tests progress, [DONE]

15:03:25 [ericP]

-> http://www.w3.org/mid/43FEC7A3.6040703@sophia.inria.fr 2006-02-24T08:45:23Z Olivier Corby

15:03:28 [ericP]

-> http://www.w3.org/mid/20060323163316.GW412@w3.org EricP's announcement

15:03:29 [ericP]

action -5

15:03:32 [Sven_Groppe]

must leave because of Kindergarten opening times...

15:03:38 [Zakim]

-Sven_Groppe

15:03:48 [DanC]

enjoy, Sven

15:04:07 [Sven_Groppe]

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15:04:09 [ericP]

jeen: results for queries with OPITONALs are incorrectly coded

15:05:01 [DanC]

(yay! peer programming!)

15:05:19 [ericP]

ACTION: EricP and Jeen to fix OPTIONAL coding

15:05:58 [DanC]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JanMar/0472.html andy's offset tests

15:06:06 [ericP]

ACTION: AndyS conjure some LIMIT/OFFSET tests. [DONE]

15:06:07 [ericP]

-> http://www.w3.org/mid/44210293.5000605@hp.com announcement

15:06:17 [ericP]

action -7

15:06:59 [ericP]

ACTION: DanC to follow up re optional test based on op:dateTime triple

15:07:29 [ericP]

[CONTINUED]

15:07:40 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

15:07:41 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "MIME type registrations" taken up [from DanC]

15:07:54 [ericP]

ACTION EricP: to follow up on mime type requests (2Mar)

15:07:54 [ericP]

-> http://www.w3.org/mid/20060309080030.GR412@w3.org [Last Call] Registration of media type application/sparql-results+xml

15:07:57 [ericP]

-> http://www.w3.org/mid/20060309080507.GS412@w3.org [Last Call] Registration of media type application/sparql-query

15:08:00 [ericP]

-> http://www.w3.org/mid/20060309013957.F70758@skutsje.san.webweaving.org Dirk-Willem's response

15:08:52 [DanC]

"This has not been reviewed or approved by the RDF Data Access Working Group." -- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#mediaType

15:09:46 [DanC]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/issues#queryMimeType resolved in 2005-07-26 telcon

15:12:46 [ericP]

ACTION: EricP to respond to http://www.w3.org/mid/20060309013957.F70758@skutsje.san.webweaving.org

15:13:06 [Zakim]

-DanC

15:13:14 [DanC]

wtf?

15:13:20 [libby]

yes!

15:13:25 [SteveH]

im here

15:13:27 [libby]

yeah!

15:13:31 [Zakim]

+DanC

15:13:56 [DanC]

uh... my phone is acting up.

15:14:06 [ericP]

agenda?

15:14:11 [DanC]

I guess I move to adjourn, unless somebody wants to take over chairing

15:14:43 [Zakim]

-DanC

15:15:00 [jeen]

ADJOURNED

15:15:01 [EliasT]

MOTION: ADJOURN

15:15:07 [EliasT]

ADJOURN

15:15:08 [DanC]

very well. thanks.

15:15:19 [EliasT]

yes

15:15:35 [SteveH]

bye

15:15:41 [libby]

cheers!

15:15:43 [Zakim]

-SteveH

15:15:48 [Zakim]

-Libby_Miller

15:17:09 [ericP]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/examples-extract.xsl

15:17:41 [EliasT]

RRSAgent, please make logs world-access

15:17:54 [EliasT]

RRSAgent, stop