IRC log of swbp on 2006-04-03

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16:56:34 [RalphS]

Meeting: SWBPD WG

16:56:40 [RalphS]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Mar/0119.html

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RalphS has changed the topic to: SWBPD 3 April agenda is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Mar/0119.html

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i'll be joining in three minutes

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rrsagent, please make record public

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Regrets: Raphael, DanBri, Deb, Alistair, Benjamin, DavidW, PhilT

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SW_BPD()1:00PM has now started

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+[Sophia]

16:59:50 [FabGandon]

zakim, [Sophia] is FabGandon

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+FabGandon; got it

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+ +1.441.224.aaaa

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zakim, aaaa is me

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+JeffP; got it

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+Ralph

17:00:48 [FabGandon]

Hello (I am muted)

17:00:51 [libby]

sorry I don't think I'm going to make much / any of the voice meeting - I'm in another meeting

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+Evan_Wallace

17:01:10 [RalphS]

Regrets+ Libby

17:01:15 [libby]

thanks ralphs

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+[IVML]

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zakim, ivml is Giorgos

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+Giorgos; got it

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+DBooth

17:05:31 [RalphS]

Previous: http://www.w3.org/2006/03/20-swbp-minutes

17:05:32 [Zakim]

+ +30889aabb

17:05:45 [RalphS]

zakim, aabb is Guus

17:05:45 [Zakim]

+Guus; got it

17:05:59 [RalphS]

zakim, who's on the call?

17:05:59 [Zakim]

On the phone I see FabGandon (muted), JeffP, Ralph, Evan_Wallace, Giorgos, DBooth, Guus

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+[IPcaller]

17:06:48 [RalphS]

zakim, ipcaller is Jacco

17:06:48 [Zakim]

+Jacco; got it

17:06:57 [Jacco]

zakim mute me

17:07:01 [Jacco]

zakim, mute me

17:07:01 [Zakim]

Jacco should now be muted

17:07:14 [giorgos]

zakim, mute me

17:07:14 [Zakim]

Giorgos should now be muted

17:07:21 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ralph

17:07:29 [RalphS]

Zakim, you keep picking on me!

17:07:29 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'you keep picking on me!', RalphS

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Scribe: Ralph

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muted

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17:08:22 [ekw]

I could try scribing.

17:08:28 [ekw]

Evan

17:09:21 [RalphS]

Scribe: Evan

17:09:24 [RalphS]

Chair: Guus

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zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from RalphS]

17:09:56 [Jacco]

zakim, who is there

17:09:56 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is there', Jacco

17:10:44 [Zakim]

+Elisa_Kendall

17:10:50 [ekw]

Propose to accept draft minutes from last meeting with amendments

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Ralph seconds

17:11:37 [ekw]

Resolved to accept

17:11:54 [ekw]

Guus: proposes that we have two more telecons

17:11:57 [RalphS]

Regrets for 17 April

17:12:38 [ekw]

Ralph: regrets for 17 April, Mass state holiday

17:12:42 [FabGandon]

It is.

17:12:50 [RalphS]

is 17 April Easter holiday in Europe

17:13:20 [Jacco]

it is in netherlands too

17:13:45 [ekw]

Guus: I am happy to move 17 Apr - 24th but

17:13:57 [JeffP]

+1

17:13:58 [ekw]

then we need to move the last telecon to 8th of May

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17:14:16 [RalphS]

RESOLVED: next telecons will be 24 April and 8 May

17:14:37 [RalphS]

Evan: OMG meeting conflicts on 24 April, so some may be at risk

17:15:14 [ekw]

Announcements have been sent about pub of XSCH doc

17:15:17 [JeffP]

Thanks, Ralph!

17:15:26 [Jacco]

Thanks again!

17:15:29 [ekw]

No issues for liaison

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Task Force Updates

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Topic: 3. Task Force Updates

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Topic: 3.1 PORT

17:16:29 [ekw]

Guus: for all practical purposes this TF is closed

17:16:41 [RalphS]

Guus: PORT closed

17:16:52 [RalphS]

Topic: 3.2 OEP

17:17:25 [ekw]

Elisa: n-ary relations is ready to go

17:17:54 [ekw]

Elisa: the only thing missing was the revision which re-org'd flight eg

17:18:08 [RalphS]

ACTION: Ralph get N-ary Relation to WG Note

17:19:01 [Jacco]

I can review part whole

17:19:04 [ekw]

Guus: Part-Whole - Steve Pepper to review

17:19:42 [Jacco]

zakim, unmute me

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Jacco should no longer be muted

17:19:56 [Jacco]

zakim, mute me

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Jacco should now be muted

17:20:36 [ekw]

DavidBooth: I am pretty sure I reviewed this

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:-)

17:21:53 [Jacco]

will do

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ACTION: Jacco to review Part-Whole doc

17:22:03 [Jacco]

zakim, unmute me

17:22:04 [Zakim]

Jacco should no longer be muted

17:22:11 [Jacco]

zakim, mute me

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Jacco should now be muted

17:22:17 [dbooth]

Here are the comments that I posted a while back on the n-ary draft: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0059

17:22:33 [RalphS]

[http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~rector/swbp/simple-part-whole/simple-part-whole-relations-v0-2.html claims to be a W3C Working Draft -- that is poor style]

17:23:28 [ekw]

Guus: OWL Time - Do we have the prospect of having another version of Time

17:23:33 [RalphS]

Evan: I think Feng thought he was done with Time editor's draft

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ACTION: Evan to contact Feng about status of Time note

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-> http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action09 meeting record

17:25:50 [ekw]

Semantic Integration note reviews

17:25:51 [RalphS]

Ralph: as of 12 December the word from OEP was "chris: no, expecting to release a new draft [of Time] soon, have had several comments"

17:26:35 [FabGandon]

Review Phil:

17:26:36 [FabGandon]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Mar/0104.html

17:26:38 [FabGandon]

Review Fabien:

17:26:39 [ekw]

Guus: I hope that the editors can respond to the rev. cmts for another draft

17:26:39 [FabGandon]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Mar/0087.html

17:27:40 [ekw]

ACTION: Elisa to ask Sem. Integ. editors to revise prior to final mtg

17:27:48 [Jacco]

raphael is travelling

17:28:16 [ekw]

Guus: I think we are only missing QCR

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ACTION: Guus to sort out status of QCR note

17:29:51 [ekw]

Topic 3.3 WordNet

17:30:03 [RalphS]

Topic: 3.3 WordNet

17:30:27 [ekw]

[[got it]]

17:31:05 [ekw]

Guus: So much work has been done on this, I would hate to see it be lost.

17:32:12 [ekw]

Ralph: my understanding is that Princeton is willing to provide a URI that redirects

17:32:38 [ekw]

Ralph: we were waiting until asking Princeton to do that redirection.

17:33:27 [ekw]

Ralph: I gave Mark a URI in W3 space where he can put all the files.

17:34:14 [ekw]

Guus: I think the wordnet example is a good example of vocab mgmt issues.

17:34:40 [ekw]

Ralph: I am concerned about publishing a draft which contains a URI that will 404.

17:35:10 [ekw]

Guus: Mark promised a new draft before end of week.

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+Ben_Adida

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zakim, mute me

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Ben_Adida should now be muted

17:36:50 [Jacco]

q part-whole: version at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/SimplePartWhole/ is of 11 August, reviews (including Mike's) have been posted later ...?

17:37:08 [Jacco]

+q part-whole: version at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/SimplePartWhole/ is of 11 August, reviews (including Mike's) have been posted later ...?

17:37:10 [ekw]

Ralph: I would prefer to use the W3.org URI everywhere then pub'ing a doc that 404s.

17:37:42 [RalphS]

Ralph: the w3.org URI would never be 404 after we publish a WD

17:38:11 [ekw]

Guus: I suggest that we add a note about the Princeton URI to the effect that it may work in future.

17:39:06 [ekw]

Guus: I propose that we do as Ralph suggests for this draft.

17:40:11 [ekw]

ACTION: Guus to discuss with other WN TF members about using W3 URI's in next draft

17:40:51 [ekw]

scribe missed the details of DBooth's question

17:40:59 [RalphS]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wn-conversion-20060403.html#versioningstrategy Appendix B

17:41:36 [RalphS]

DBooth: is the intention in the implementation to use 303 redirects for the synset URIs?

17:42:07 [RalphS]

... where will the data come from?

17:43:32 [RalphS]

Ralph: whatever we do should be consistent with http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wn-conversion-20060403.html#versioningstrategy

17:43:35 [RalphS]

oope

17:43:48 [RalphS]

Ralph: whatever we do should be consistent with http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-vocab-pub/

17:44:24 [ekw]

ACTION: Guus to ask Mark to compare his doc with our Recipe's

17:47:05 [RalphS]

Ralph: we missed an opportunity to coordinate better between WordNet and VM

17:47:35 [Jacco]

zakim, unmute me

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Jacco should no longer be muted

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-Jacco

17:47:57 [Jacco]

zakim, mute me

17:47:57 [Zakim]

sorry, Jacco, I do not see a party named 'Jacco'

17:48:25 [Jacco]

got kicked out of the connection

17:48:35 [Jacco]

+q part-whole: version at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/SimplePartWhole/ is of 11 August, reviews (including Mike's) have been posted later ...?

17:50:07 [RalphS]

Jacco: what is the latest version of Part-Whole?

17:50:32 [RalphS]

(OEP page http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/SimplePartWhole/index.html )

17:50:49 [Jacco]

that is dated august 11

17:51:11 [Jacco]

Mike Ushold's review is from 14 september...

17:52:08 [RalphS]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/SimplePartWhole/

17:52:12 [ekw]

Ralph: There is nothing more recent than the Aug 11 doc in W3 filesystem

17:53:05 [ekw]

Ralph: That file was updated on our servers on Oct 10

17:53:06 [RalphS]

that document was last updated on W3C servers on 2005-10-10

17:53:27 [Zakim]

+Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen

17:54:13 [Jacco]

zakim, mute me

17:54:13 [Zakim]

Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted

17:54:27 [Jacco]

zakim, unmute me

17:54:27 [Zakim]

Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should no longer be muted

17:54:36 [Jacco]

zakim, mute me

17:54:36 [Zakim]

Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted

17:54:49 [ekw]

ACTION: Guus to check on the status of latest version of Part-Whole

17:54:58 [RalphS]

actually, the most recent version of Simple part-whole I see on our servers was last updated on 2005-08-13

17:55:32 [ekw]

Topic: VM

17:55:38 [benadida]

zakim, unmute me

17:55:41 [Zakim]

Ben_Adida was not muted, benadida

17:55:48 [ekw]

Topic: 3.6 HTML

17:56:46 [ekw]

Ben: Getting positive signs from Mozilla about RDF/A

17:57:15 [RalphS]

Ben: Mike Shaver says Mozilla is interested in making Firefox and Mozilla support RDF/A

17:57:47 [ekw]

Ben: Only non-minor changes expected are for rdf:Collection support

17:58:45 [ekw]

Guus: would you have another revision before final SWBPD telecon

17:59:13 [ekw]

Ben: We will have a second draft by April 24th

18:00:25 [ekw]

ACTION: Ben_Adida to find reviewers and put acknowledgements in next draft

18:00:44 [ekw]

Topic 3.7 ADTF

18:00:47 [benadida]

zakim, mute me

18:00:47 [Zakim]

Ben_Adida should now be muted

18:00:56 [ekw]

Topic: 3.7 ADTF

18:01:13 [RalphS]

ACTION: Ralph update ADTF link to point to DOAP Wiki

18:01:56 [FabGandon]

Review Fabien:

18:01:58 [FabGandon]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Mar/0114.html

18:02:05 [ekw]

Topic: 3.8 RDFTM

18:02:29 [ekw]

Guus: You have an action to review?

18:03:13 [ekw]

Elisa: Bob Colomb still probably will review after ODM deadline

18:03:34 [Jacco]

zakim, unmute me

18:03:34 [ekw]

Topic: 3.11 MM

18:03:36 [Zakim]

Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should no longer be muted

18:03:37 [giorgos]

Zakim, please unmute

18:03:40 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'please unmute', giorgos

18:04:10 [ekw]

Jacco: no further MM documents expected within this group

18:04:37 [JeffP]

q+

18:04:42 [Jacco]

zakim, mute me

18:04:42 [Zakim]

Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted

18:05:08 [ekw]

Giorgos: we are going to work further on second deliverable

18:05:27 [ekw]

Giorgos: but will try to pub through XG

18:05:47 [ekw]

Giorgos: XG proposal should be done by 15 Apr

18:06:22 [RalphS]

Ralph: feel free to request W3C telecon resources for your XG organization work, Giorgos

18:06:27 [giorgos]

Zakim, mute me

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Giorgos should now be muted

18:07:20 [ekw]

Jeff Pan: I wonder if we could get some more comments on deliverable 2 from this WG

18:07:59 [JeffP]

http://www.csd.abdn.ac.uk/~jpan/w3c/MSXG-proposal.html

18:08:09 [ekw]

Topic: 4 AOB

18:08:48 [Zakim]

-Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen

18:08:49 [giorgos]

bye

18:08:51 [ekw]

Adjourn

18:08:52 [Zakim]

-Ben_Adida

18:08:53 [JeffP]

s/comments on deliverable 2/comments on the XG proplsal

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-DBooth

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benadida has left #swbp

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-Evan_Wallace

18:08:58 [Jacco]

bye

18:08:58 [Zakim]

-FabGandon

18:08:59 [Zakim]

-Elisa_Kendall

18:09:06 [FabGandon]

Bye.

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-JeffP

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-Giorgos

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-Ralph

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-Guus

18:10:04 [Zakim]

SW_BPD()1:00PM has ended

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Attendees were FabGandon, +1.441.224.aaaa, JeffP, Ralph, Evan_Wallace, Giorgos, DBooth, +30889aabb, Guus, Jacco, Elisa_Kendall, Ben_Adida, Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen

18:10:37 [RalphS]

zakim, bye

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18:10:42 [RalphS]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

18:10:42 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-minutes.html RalphS

18:15:08 [dbooth]

rrsagent, please make minutes public

18:15:08 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make minutes public', dbooth. Try /msg RRSAgent help

18:27:56 [RalphS]

rrsagent, bye

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-actions.rdf :

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Ralph get N-ary Relation to WG Note [1]

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T17-18-08

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Jacco to review Part-Whole doc [2]

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T17-21-53-1

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Evan to contact Feng about status of Time note [3]

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T17-24-35

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Elisa to ask Sem. Integ. editors to revise prior to final mtg [4]

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T17-27-40

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Guus to sort out status of QCR note [5]

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T17-28-42

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Guus to discuss with other WN TF members about using W3 URI's in next draft [6]

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T17-40-11

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Guus to ask Mark to compare his doc with our Recipe's [7]

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T17-44-24

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Guus to check on the status of latest version of Part-Whole [8]

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T17-54-49

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Ben_Adida to find reviewers and put acknowledgements in next draft [9]

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T18-00-25

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Ralph update ADTF link to point to DOAP Wiki [10]

18:27:56 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/04/03-swbp-irc#T18-01-13