IRC log of dawg on 2006-03-28

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14:28:30 [LeeF]

Zakim, IBMCambridge is me

14:28:30 [Zakim]

+LeeF; got it

14:28:36 [Zakim]

+DanC

14:29:18 [Zakim]

+??P5

14:29:20 [AndyS_]

zakim. ??P5 is me

14:29:43 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P5 is me

14:29:43 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

14:30:04 [kendallclark]

i was gonna call in late but then i remembered i'm scribe

14:30:07 [kendallclark]

dialing now

14:30:20 [kendallclark]

(mom called to ask about wedding plans. ;>)

14:30:33 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:30:44 [LeeF]

you'd preempt your Mom for the DAWG, kendallclark? that's dedication

14:30:44 [Zakim]

+Sven_Groppe

14:30:45 [SerT]

regrets, can't stay. I didn't realise the daylight saving time is not started for you guys

14:30:58 [kendallclark]

well, she wanted to chat for a long time :)

14:31:06 [Zakim]

+Kendall_Clark

14:31:15 [kendallclark]

scribe: Kendall Clark

14:31:22 [DanC]

bummer, SerT. I tried to look into that carefully; I thought the summer time wierdness didn't start until next week.

14:31:38 [kendallclark]

it doesn't in the US start till this weekend, iirc

14:31:39 [SerT]

my fault

14:31:50 [DanC]

well, understandable.

14:32:10 [ericP]

i'm sure there are politicians to blame for this policy

14:33:02 [ericP]

are we scheduled to align with europe?

14:33:07 [SerT]

can somebody forward me Peter's message http://www.w3.org/mid/20050918.110248.43269866.pfps@research.bell-labs.com

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14:33:37 [ericP]

should i scribe this for kendall?

14:33:40 [DanC]

I guess so, SerT

14:33:49 [ericP]

was just giving you a hard time

14:33:53 [kendallclark]

i'm good

14:34:00 [ericP]

(with a smile on my face)

14:34:03 [SerT]

thanks Dan, c u

14:34:10 [LeeF]

zakim, EliasT is with me

14:34:10 [Zakim]

+EliasT; got it

14:34:11 [DanC]

no, my mailer is in some wierd IMAP-lock-wierdness, state, SerT

14:34:30 [Zakim]

+Jos_De_Roo

14:34:40 [DanC]

Zakim, take up item 1

14:34:40 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review records and agenda" taken up [from DanC]

14:34:45 [DanC]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

14:34:45 [Zakim]

On the phone I see LeeF, DanC, AndyS, EricP (muted), Sven_Groppe, Kendall_Clark, Jos_De_Roo

14:34:47 [Zakim]

LeeF has LeeF, EliasT

14:34:54 [SerT]

no rush, Dan, I just need it to keep the header references in my reply

14:35:25 [DanC]

there are mbox archives... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/mboxes/2006-03.mbx

14:35:38 [DanC]

(member-access for spam control reasons)

14:36:02 [SerT]

got it, thanx

14:36:09 [LeeF]

F.C.S is lacking, often.

14:36:09 [Zakim]

+ +1.603.459.aaaa

14:36:24 [DanC]

Zakim, aaaa is Souri

14:36:24 [Zakim]

+Souri; got it

14:36:28 [kendallclark]

argh

14:38:01 [DanC]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JanMar/0465.html minutes 21 March

14:38:05 [AndyS]

seconded

14:38:06 [DanC]

with 1 ammendment

14:38:07 [kendallclark]

Minutes from 21 March, as amended, APPROVED

14:38:48 [kendallclark]

Levity at the chair's expense! :)

14:39:01 [DanC]

PROPOSED: to meet again Tue, 4 Apr 2006, 14:30Z (Boston Tue 10:30 AM; Los Angeles Tue 7:30 AM; London Tue 3:30 PM; other local times);

14:39:29 [ericP]

2nd

14:39:34 [AndyS]

Congrats to get the TZ right for London this week.

14:39:37 [kendallclark]

seconded

14:39:41 [ericP]

oh all right

14:39:42 [LeeF]

Regrets for next week

14:39:47 [ericP]

yup

14:39:58 [DanC]

RESOLVED: to meet Tue, 4 Apr 2006, 14:30Z, ericp to scribe

14:39:58 [kendallclark]

EricP to scribe next week's meeting

14:40:00 [AndyS]

AndyS / Regrets for next week

14:40:23 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

14:40:23 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "comments related to rdfSemantics, owlDisjunction" taken up [from DanC]

14:40:58 [LeeF]

ACTION LeeF: to find email thread about wording of restricting pattern solution domain to variables in BGP; follow up on that to get text back into rq23 [WITHDRAWN]

14:41:06 [LeeF]

ACTION: LeeF to create test case resulting from 2006-03-03T11:15Z (before lunch, 2nd day) whiteboard discussion [WITHDRAWN]

14:41:47 [DanC]

ACTION: SergioT to respond to 2005-09-18T15:02:48Z Peter F. Patel-Schneider [CONTINUES]

14:41:50 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

14:41:50 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Issue nameValueForms" taken up [from DanC]

14:42:05 [DanC]

RESOLVED to postpone

14:42:08 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

14:42:08 [Zakim]

agendum 3 was just opened, DanC

14:42:16 [DanC]

Zakim, move to next item

14:42:16 [Zakim]

agendum 3 was just opened, DanC

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14:42:23 [DanC]

Zakim, close item 3

14:42:24 [Zakim]

agendum 3, Issue nameValueForms, closed

14:42:25 [Zakim]

I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:42:26 [Zakim]

4. protocol editing, WSDL 2 coordination [from DanC]

14:42:27 [DanC]

Zakim, move to next item

14:42:27 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "protocol editing, WSDL 2 coordination" taken up [from DanC]

14:43:12 [DanC]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-wd/ 1.117 discharges KC's refs action to my satisfaction

14:44:42 [DanC]

# ACTION: LeeF to try SPARQL WSDL files with Woden validator, report results. [DONE]

14:45:12 [DanC]

ACTION: KendallC to confirm that SPARQL WSDL query/queryrequest and maxOccurs do not need to be changed, despite Marsh's comment of 17Feb. [DONE]

14:45:13 [kendallclark]

but it's still true, Lee

14:45:24 [LeeF]

d'oh

14:45:28 [kendallclark]

:>

14:45:29 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

14:45:29 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "Toward CR" taken up [from DanC]

14:46:02 [DanC]

# ACTION: SvenG to follow up with Reto Krummenacher on [2006-02-24T16:40:55Z Reto Krummenacher]. Note: the thread is closed as of 14 March

14:46:08 [DanC]

Zakim, is Sven here?

14:46:08 [Zakim]

probably, DanC; Sven_Groppe arrived 15 minutes ago

14:46:34 [Sven_Groppe]

you cannot here me?

14:46:44 [DanC]

Zakim, ack sven

14:46:44 [Zakim]

I see no one on the speaker queue

14:46:44 [Sven_Groppe]

I write ..

14:46:47 [kendallclark]

well, he can be a rational being with inconsistent belief set

14:47:14 [Sven_Groppe]

Reto is satisfied with the last email correspondence

14:47:18 [DanC]

great.

14:47:25 [DanC]

action done.

14:49:34 [DanC]

PROPOSED: to to advance SPARQL to CR, and be willing to treat Fred's comments as new information during CR

14:49:43 [DanC]

PROPOSED: to to advance SPARQL to CR, and be willing to treat Fred Zemke's comments as new information during CR

14:52:51 [kendallclark]

Does anyone else in the WG agree w/ Oracle about these 6 and 4 comments not addressed?

14:53:05 [kendallclark]

i.e., that they haven't been addressed?

14:54:46 [DanC]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JanMar/0484.html Souri 26 Mar

14:55:08 [Souri]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JanMar/att-0484/fz_3.htm

14:59:22 [Sven_Groppe]

I have to leave due to not recognizing the different daylight time changes of US and here.

14:59:32 [Zakim]

-Sven_Groppe

14:59:46 [Sven_Groppe]

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15:01:51 [DanC]

PROPOSED: to to advance SPARQL to CR, contingent on confirmation from Fred Zemke

15:02:12 [ericP]

2nd

15:03:40 [DanC]

ACTION Souri: arrange a phone call with Fred Zemke and interested WG members (Andy + (DanC or EricP))

15:06:24 [LeeF]

what's the current discussion about? i had to step away for a second

15:06:38 [DanC]

"I have been told by other members of DAWG that it is illegal to name the same dataset twice in FROM or FROM NAMED clauses of a query. "

15:06:41 [kendallclark]

about what happens if a URI occurs >1 in a from or from named clause

15:06:42 [DanC]

-- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JanMar/att-0484/fz_3.htm

15:06:55 [LeeF]

ah, thanks

15:08:40 [kendallclark]

sorry if i spoke over you eric

15:09:19 [DanC]

PROPOSED: to to advance SPARQL to CR, contingent on confirmation from Fred Zemke

15:09:31 [DanC]

Zakim, who's on the phone?

15:09:31 [Zakim]

On the phone I see LeeF, DanC, AndyS, EricP, Kendall_Clark, Jos_De_Roo, Souri

15:09:33 [Zakim]

LeeF has LeeF, EliasT

15:15:34 [DanC]

PROPOSED: to to advance SPARQL to CR, contingent on confirmation from Fred Zemke

15:15:47 [kendallclark]

2nd

15:16:15 [DanC]

so RESOLVED, FUB objecting

15:17:09 [DanC]

EricP: I'm in Paris

15:17:16 [AndyS]

AndyS : +44 117 312 8181

15:17:24 [DanC]

http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=35463

15:17:33 [ericP]

Souri, you can reach me at +1.617.395.1213 or my Japanese cell: +81.90.6533.3882

15:18:22 [LeeF]

good luck, DanC!

15:18:31 [LeeF]

and Andy

15:19:11 [kendallclark]

zakim, mute me

15:19:11 [Zakim]

Kendall_Clark should now be muted

15:19:22 [DanC]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/w3t-archive/2006Mar/0396.html

15:19:49 [DanC]

20:00Z

15:21:31 [kendallclark]

fine

15:21:32 [LeeF]

is ok

15:21:52 [DanC]

Zakim, close this item

15:21:54 [Zakim]

agendum 5 closed

15:21:55 [Zakim]

I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

15:21:56 [Zakim]

6. JSON results format [from DanC]

15:22:14 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

15:22:14 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "JSON results format" taken up [from DanC]

15:22:18 [kendallclark]

zakim, unmute me

15:22:18 [Zakim]

Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted

15:22:35 [EliasT]

yes

15:22:46 [DanC]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JanMar/0477.html

15:22:48 [EliasT]

Thanks for your editing...

15:23:29 [DanC]

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/json-sparql/

15:25:03 [DanC]

ACTION AndyS: review http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/json-sparql/ after early apr holiday, at earliest convenience

15:25:51 [DanC]

Zakim, next item

15:25:51 [Zakim]

agendum 7. "test suite maintenance" taken up [from DanC]

15:26:07 [kendallclark]

propose to adjourn

15:26:15 [kendallclark]

2nd, Andy

15:26:53 [DanC]

ADJOURN.

15:26:59 [kendallclark]

for danc: http://halogen.note.amherst.edu/%7Ejdtang/scheme_in_48/tutorial/overview.html

15:27:03 [DanC]

kendallclark, can you send minutes?

15:28:09 [Zakim]

-Jos_De_Roo

15:29:49 [DanC]

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=3&day=28&year=2006&p1=0&p2=136&p3=127&p4=248

15:29:57 [kendallclark]

danc: i was scribing in IRC

15:30:05 [kendallclark]

can zakim generate minutes?

15:30:39 [DanC]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

15:30:39 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/03/28-dawg-minutes.html DanC

15:30:58 [DanC]

Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 11:00:00Tue Noon *Tue 6:00 AMTue 8:00 PM

15:31:10 [DanC]

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=3&day=28&year=2006&p1=0&p2=136&p3=43&p4=248

15:34:03 [kendallclark]

dawg minutes 403'd, btw

15:34:16 [DanC]

RRSAgent, make logs world-access

15:34:26 [kendallclark]

th

15:34:27 [kendallclark]

x

15:35:17 [DanC]

yes, EliasT , that's a nice distraction

15:35:19 [Zakim]

-Kendall_Clark

15:35:31 [Zakim]

-Souri

15:35:31 [LeeF]

he probably means IRC, but I can do voice if you prefer

15:35:43 [DanC]

RRSAgent, stop