IRC log of ws-addr on 2006-03-27

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20:40:36 [bob]
zakim, this will be ws_addrwg
20:40:36 [Zakim]
ok, bob; I see WS_AddrWG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 20 minutes
20:41:23 [bob]
Meeting: Web Services Addressing WG Teleconference
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Chair: Bob Freund
20:41:51 [plh]
Hugo is sick and went to bed. I'll fill in for him today.
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Thanks Philippe, I hope it is nothing serious
20:44:34 [plh]
fever from what he said and he was tired. not the right week to get som rest in Europe given the time change
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I hope that he was not manning the barracades at the Sorbonne
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I didn't ask him if he was involve in the troubles in Paris, but I have a hard time imagining him on the barricades
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WS_AddrWG()4:00PM has now started
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20:54:39 [bob]
I managed to be right across the street when several vans full of riot police spilled out and started chasing the demonstrators
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reminded me of 1968
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only then I was on the other side of the police line
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zakim, ??p3 is me
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+TonyR; got it
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zakim, ipcaller is bozhong
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+bozhong; got it
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zakim, call plh-work
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ok, plh; the call is being made
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Regrets: Hugo
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zakim, who's making noise?
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plh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bob_Freund (54%), Gilbert_Pilz (4%), [IPcaller] (17%), ??P13 (57%), Plh (18%)
21:02:23 [Jonathan]
Zakim, +[IPcaller] is bozhong
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sorry, Jonathan, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
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zakim, mute me
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Plh should now be muted
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zakim, mute ??p13
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sorry, plh, I do not see a party named '??p13'
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zakim, mute p13
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sorry, plh, I do not see a party named 'p13'
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I am muted
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zakim, who's making noise?
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zakim, who's making noise?
21:03:14 [pauld]
zakim, who is inside a washing machine
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I don't understand 'who is inside a washing machine', pauld
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Jonathan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tom_Rutt (34%)
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plh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bob_Freund (14%), TonyR (26%)
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zakim, who's here?
21:04:01 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Bob_Freund, David_Illsley, Nilo, TonyR, Plh (muted), prasad, Pete_Wenzel, Tom_Rutt, Jonathan_Marsh, [IPcaller], Gilbert_Pilz, Anish, Dave_Hull, Paul_Downey
21:04:02 [pauld]
zakim, who is on the phone?
21:04:04 [Zakim]
On IRC I see dhull, TRutt, andreas, anish, David_Illsley, TonyR, prasad, bob, Jonathan, RRSAgent, Zakim, yinleng, plh, pauld
21:04:07 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Bob_Freund, David_Illsley, Nilo, TonyR, Plh (muted), prasad, Pete_Wenzel, Tom_Rutt, Jonathan_Marsh, [IPcaller], Gilbert_Pilz, Anish, Dave_Hull, Paul_Downey
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rrsagent, make logs member-visible
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plh has changed the topic to: Agenda:
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zakim, unmute me
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Plh should no longer be muted
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Scribe: Philippe
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zakim, mute me
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Plh should now be muted
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Topic: Call for correction for past week minutes
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Last week minutes:
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No objection
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Resolution: minutes accepted
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Topic: Action items
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[DONE] ACTION: 2006-03-03: Hugo Haas to draft mapping to CM of UsingAddressing.
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[DONE] ACTION: 2006-03-20: Editors to Review wsdl document for RFC2119 usage by 2006-03-27
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zakim, unmute me
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Plh should no longer be muted
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21:10:24 [yinleng]
zakim, ??P12 is me
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+yinleng; got it
21:11:03 [plh]
Marc: every place with may, must, should comply with RFC2119
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Topic: Proposed and New issues
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Bob: lc120, lc121, lc122 are new issues
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... will go through those today
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Topic: Issue LC112
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-> Changes for LC112 resolution
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"I had a doubt about the resolution for {anonymous required}" -- Hugo
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->;%20charset=utf-8#wsdl20_usingaddressing proposed changes for LC112
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Jonathan: looks fine to me.
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Bob: objection to accept the text?
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Resolution: text from Hugo regarding LC112 is accepted
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ACTION: Editors to remove editorial note in section 3.1.1. text from Hugo is accepted.
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Topci: lc 120
21:16:54 [bob]
Here are a few editorial comments on the Last Call Working Draft
21:16:54 [bob]
21:16:54 [bob]
Section 1:" (for backwards compatibility" is missing a closing bracket
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Section 4.2.3: "the property value is the value of the wsaw:action
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attribute" should be wsaw:Action
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Section 4.2.4: "In the absence of the wsa:Action attribute" should be
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Example 4.1 title uses wsaw:Action and titles for 4.2, 4.5, 4.8, 4.9 use
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wsa:Action. All examples show similar things. Both wsa:Action and
21:17:09 [bob]
wsaw:Action make sense in this context but it should be consistent.
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21:17:45 [plh]
Bob: objection to accept those changes?
21:19:01 [Zakim]
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Resolution: accepted the proposed changes in
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Anish: so, do we change it to wsaw:Action, or do we leave it as wsa:Action?
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Marc: I think it should be wsa:Action in the examples
21:20:35 [GlenD]
+1 to Marc
21:20:50 [plh]
... we only change the first one in first example of 4.1. Others are fine.
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Resolution: change title in example 4.1 to use wsa:Action
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ACTION: editors will go through section 4 and modify it to be consistent
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Bob: I'll mark the issue as closed with editorial pending
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Topic: lc 121
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closed following
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original issue was at
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Resolution: lc 121 is closed with Marc suggestions
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Topic: lc 122
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Section 2.1
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Do we need to specify cardinality for InterfaceName, ServiceName and
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EndpointName - i.e. to ensure that there are never multiple ones
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Section 2.2
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As above but with embedded WSDL definitions - do we need to specify max
21:24:21 [plh]
-> Specifying cardinality of WSDL Metadata
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21:25:55 [plh]
Katy: I always assumed that the interface name only occured once in an EPR, also for service name, or endpoit name but we don't specify that anywhere
21:26:28 [plh]
Jonathan: I can image a bunch of WSDL that describe the same service with different names (translation, ...)
21:26:34 [plh]
21:26:39 [anish]
would that belong in the same EPR, jonathan?
21:27:18 [plh]
... right now, we're not restricting to one, and don't have a use case for it. But can't imagine why we should restrict.
21:27:30 [anish]
+1 to bob
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Bob: then it should be clear in the document that it is not limited
21:28:10 [plh]
... objection to specificy the cardinality to 0.. ?
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21:29:07 [anish]
xml:lang ?
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Tom: if we support the use of multiple languages, then it should useful to specify the language on them as well to support the local
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Jonathan: could be done through extensibility
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Bob: seems a WSDL issue in general?
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Marc: an obvious use case is to include a WSDL 1.1 and WSDL 2.0 reference
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Katy: how would you know which one reference which anyway?
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Marc: you'll need to dereference the service
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Glen: you should encapsulate them into an element or restrict the cardinality to one
21:32:36 [plh]
... if we restrict to one, people can use extensibility anyway
21:33:13 [plh]
Katy: you'll need to own client to handle the case then
21:33:36 [plh]
Glen: that would be the case anyway. you need to have some out-of-band mechanism to understand the meaning anyway
21:34:03 [plh]
... if we're going to allow several, let's make the syntax clear, or we should restrict to one
21:35:03 [plh]
.. we would need an element to do the paring between the service name and the interface name
21:35:55 [plh]
Katy: maybe the issue is how often would people use this?
21:36:28 [plh]
Bob: so restrict to one?
21:36:58 [plh]
Katy: if we restrict to one, it would be one of each, right?
21:37:11 [plh]
Marc: they are combinable indeed
21:37:31 [plh]
Katy: can you specify an interface and embed some WSDL?
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Glen: as long as the interface matches the WSDL, sure.
21:38:03 [plh]
Jonathan: do we say that in the spec?
21:38:28 [plh]
Katy: [quoting text] yes, it's covered.
21:38:41 [plh]
Bob: objection to restrict the cardinality to one?
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Resolution: lc 122 closed. cardinality for ServiceName, InterfaceName, EndpointName limited to one.
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ACTION: Editors to limited cardinality for ServiceName, InterfaceName, EndpointName
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Topic: Future
21:40:08 [plh]
Bob: how many more issues should we expect?
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Glen: don't think you'll get some from us.
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Jonathan: expecting to get some this week. A couple of them are interesting.
21:41:04 [plh]
Bob: we'll schedule next week call for one hour only as well
21:41:38 [plh]
... we'll be in summer time next week in the US.
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... we'll keep it 4pm US/Eastern
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... we also need to start looking for implementations
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Bob: we'll want to progress this to CR fast.
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Bob: the PR review for Core and SOAP Binding is ongoing.
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Philippe: no objection so far I think
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Paul: I started a discussion thread on the list about next steps.
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... what does it mean, etc.
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rrsagent, make logs public
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate bob
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Attendees were Bob_Freund, David_Illsley, Nilo, TonyR, bozhong, Plh, prasad, Pete_Wenzel, Tom_Rutt, Jonathan_Marsh, [IPcaller], Gilbert_Pilz, Anish, Dave_Hull, Paul_Downey,
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... Paul_Knight, Dave_Orchard, Marc_Hadley, Mark_Peel/Katy_Warr, yinleng, GlenD