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20:40:36 <bob> zakim, this will be ws_addrwg
20:40:36 <Zakim> ok, bob; I see WS_AddrWG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 20 minutes
20:41:23 <bob> Meeting: Web Services Addressing WG Teleconference
20:41:34 <bob> Chair: Bob Freund
20:41:51 <plh> Hugo is sick and went to bed. I'll fill in for him today.
20:42:26 <bob> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/7D5D3FDA429F4D469ADF210408D6245A03914D@jeeves.freunds.com
20:43:24 <bob> Thanks Philippe, I hope it is nothing serious
20:44:34 <plh> fever from what he said and he was tired. not the right week to get som rest in Europe given the time change
20:47:27 <Jonathan> Jonathan has joined #ws-addr
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20:48:24 <bob> I hope that he was not manning the barracades at the Sorbonne
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20:53:15 <plh> I didn't ask him if he was involve in the troubles in Paris, but I have a hard time imagining him on the barricades
20:53:23 <plh> s/involve/involved/
20:53:48 <Zakim> WS_AddrWG()4:00PM has now started
20:53:55 <Zakim> +Bob_Freund
20:54:39 <bob> I managed to be right across the street when several vans full of riot police spilled out and started chasing the demonstrators
20:54:55 <bob> reminded me of 1968
20:55:17 <bob> only then I was on the other side of the police line
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20:57:07 <Zakim> +David_Illsley
20:57:28 <Zakim> +Nilo
20:58:02 <Zakim> +??P3
20:58:10 <TonyR> zakim, ??p3 is me
20:58:10 <Zakim> +TonyR; got it
20:58:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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20:59:04 <Bozhong> ipcaller->bozhong
20:59:32 <bob> zakim, ipcaller is bozhong
20:59:32 <Zakim> +bozhong; got it
21:00:07 <plh> zakim, call plh-work
21:00:07 <Zakim> ok, plh; the call is being made
21:00:09 <Zakim> +Plh
21:00:19 <Katy> Katy has joined #ws-addr
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21:00:28 <Zakim> +??P5
21:00:50 <Zakim> +Pete_Wenzel
21:01:16 <Zakim> +Tom_Rutt
21:01:24 <Zakim> -bozhong
21:01:27 <Zakim> +Jonathan_Marsh
21:01:42 <plh> Regrets: Hugo
21:01:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:01:59 <Zakim> +Gilbert_Pilz
21:02:11 <plh> zakim, who's making noise?
21:02:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
21:02:17 <Zakim> +Anish
21:02:22 <Zakim> plh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bob_Freund (54%), Gilbert_Pilz (4%), [IPcaller] (17%), ??P13 (57%), Plh (18%)
21:02:23 <Jonathan> Zakim, +[IPcaller] is bozhong
21:02:25 <Zakim> +Dave_Hull
21:02:26 <Zakim> sorry, Jonathan, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
21:02:31 <plh> zakim, mute me
21:02:31 <Zakim> Plh should now be muted
21:02:45 <Zakim> +Paul_Downey
21:02:46 <plh> zakim, mute ??p13
21:02:46 <Zakim> sorry, plh, I do not see a party named '??p13'
21:02:55 <plh> zakim, mute p13
21:02:55 <Zakim> sorry, plh, I do not see a party named 'p13'
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21:02:57 <bob> I am muted
21:03:06 <Jonathan> zakim, who's making noise?
21:03:06 <plh> zakim, who's making noise?
21:03:14 <pauld> zakim,  who is inside a washing machine
21:03:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is inside a washing machine', pauld
21:03:21 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
21:03:24 <Zakim> Jonathan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tom_Rutt (34%)
21:03:35 <Zakim> plh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bob_Freund (14%), TonyR (26%)
21:04:01 <plh> zakim, who's here?
21:04:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bob_Freund, David_Illsley, Nilo, TonyR, Plh (muted), prasad, Pete_Wenzel, Tom_Rutt, Jonathan_Marsh, [IPcaller], Gilbert_Pilz, Anish, Dave_Hull, Paul_Downey
21:04:02 <pauld> zakim, who is on the phone?
21:04:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see dhull, TRutt, andreas, anish, David_Illsley, TonyR, prasad, bob, Jonathan, RRSAgent, Zakim, yinleng, plh, pauld
21:04:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bob_Freund, David_Illsley, Nilo, TonyR, Plh (muted), prasad, Pete_Wenzel, Tom_Rutt, Jonathan_Marsh, [IPcaller], Gilbert_Pilz, Anish, Dave_Hull, Paul_Downey
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21:05:00 <Zakim> +Paul_Knight
21:05:08 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2006/03/27-ws-addr-irc#T21-05-00
21:05:23 <Zakim> +Dave_Orchard
21:05:40 <plh> rrsagent, make logs member-visible
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21:06:10 <plh> plh has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/7D5D3FDA429F4D469ADF210408D6245A03914D@jeeves.freunds.com
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21:07:37 <Zakim> +Marc_Hadley
21:07:37 <plh> zakim, unmute me
21:07:38 <Zakim> Plh should no longer be muted
21:07:47 <plh> Scribe: Philippe
21:07:53 <plh> zakim, mute me
21:07:53 <Zakim> Plh should now be muted
21:08:03 <plh> Topic: Call for correction for past week minutes
21:08:18 <plh>  Last week minutes: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/6/03/20-ws-addr-minutes.html
21:08:21 <plh> No objection
21:08:27 <plh> Resolution: minutes accepted
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21:08:31 <plh> Topic: Action items
21:08:52 <Zakim> +Mark_Peel/Katy_Warr
21:08:57 <plh> [DONE] ACTION: 2006-03-03: Hugo Haas to draft mapping to CM of UsingAddressing.
21:09:26 <Bozhong> Bozhong has joined #ws-addr
21:09:52 <plh> [DONE] ACTION: 2006-03-20:  Editors to Review wsdl document for RFC2119 usage by 2006-03-27
21:09:58 <plh> zakim, unmute me
21:09:58 <Zakim> Plh should no longer be muted
21:10:05 <Zakim> +??P12
21:10:24 <yinleng> zakim, ??P12 is me
21:10:24 <Zakim> +yinleng; got it
21:11:03 <plh> Marc: every place with may, must, should comply with RFC2119
21:11:15 <plh> Topic: Proposed and New issues
21:11:37 <plh> Bob: lc120, lc121, lc122 are new issues
21:11:53 <plh> ... will go through those today
21:12:43 <plh> Topic: Issue LC112
21:12:55 <plh> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Mar/0075.html Changes for LC112 resolution
21:13:26 <plh> "I had a doubt about the resolution for {anonymous required}" -- Hugo
21:14:22 <plh> -> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2004/ws/addressing/ws-addr-wsdl.html?rev=1.43&content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#wsdl20_usingaddressing proposed changes for LC112
21:15:30 <plh> Jonathan: looks fine to me.
21:15:48 <plh> Bob: objection to accept the text?
21:16:15 <plh> Resolution: text from Hugo regarding LC112 is accepted
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21:16:33 <plh> ACTION: Editors to remove editorial note in section 3.1.1. text from Hugo is accepted.
21:16:40 <plh> Topci: lc 120
21:16:54 <bob> Here are a few editorial comments on the Last Call Working Draft 
21:16:54 <bob>              
21:16:54 <bob>             Section 1:" (for backwards compatibility" is missing a closing bracket 
21:16:54 <bob>              
21:16:54 <bob>             Section 4.2.3: "the property value is the value of the wsaw:action  
21:16:55 <bob>             attribute" should be wsaw:Action 
21:16:57 <bob>              
21:16:59 <bob>             Section 4.2.4: "In the absence of the wsa:Action attribute" should be  
21:17:01 <bob>             wsaw:Action 
21:17:03 <bob>              
21:17:05 <bob>             Example 4.1 title uses wsaw:Action and titles for 4.2, 4.5, 4.8, 4.9 use  
21:17:07 <bob>             wsa:Action. All examples show similar things. Both wsa:Action and  
21:17:09 <bob>             wsaw:Action make sense in this context but it should be consistent. 
21:17:11 <bob>              
21:17:13 <bob>             David 
21:17:45 <plh> Bob: objection to accept those changes?
21:19:01 <Zakim> +GlenD
21:19:16 <plh> Resolution: accepted the proposed changes in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing-comments/2006Mar/0005.html
21:19:46 <plh> Anish: so, do we change it to wsaw:Action, or do we leave it as wsa:Action?
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21:20:22 <plh> Marc: I think it should be wsa:Action in the examples
21:20:35 <GlenD> +1 to Marc
21:20:50 <plh> ... we only change the first one in first example of 4.1. Others are fine.
21:21:58 <plh> Resolution: change title in example 4.1 to use wsa:Action
21:22:35 <plh> ACTION: editors will go through section 4 and modify it to be consistent
21:22:55 <plh> Bob: I'll mark the issue as closed with editorial pending
21:22:59 <plh> Topic: lc 121
21:23:22 <plh> closed following http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Mar/0081.html
21:23:38 <plh> original issue was at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Mar/0078.html
21:23:58 <plh> Resolution: lc 121 is closed with Marc suggestions
21:24:08 <plh> Topic: lc 122
21:24:18 <bob> EDITORIAL SUGGESTION: 
21:24:18 <bob>             Section 2.1 
21:24:18 <bob>             Do we need to specify cardinality for InterfaceName, ServiceName and  
21:24:18 <bob>             EndpointName - i.e. to ensure that there are never multiple ones  
21:24:18 <bob>             specified? 
21:24:19 <bob>             Section 2.2 
21:24:21 <bob>             As above but with embedded WSDL definitions - do we need to specify max  
21:24:21 <plh> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Mar/0079.html Specifying cardinality of WSDL Metadata
21:24:23 <bob>             1? 
21:25:55 <plh> Katy: I always assumed that the interface name only occured once in an EPR, also for service name, or endpoit name but we don't specify that anywhere
21:26:28 <plh> Jonathan: I can image a bunch of WSDL that describe the same service with different names (translation, ...)
21:26:34 <plh> s/image/imagine/
21:26:39 <anish> would that belong in the same EPR, jonathan?
21:27:18 <plh> ... right now, we're not restricting to one, and don't have a use case for it. But can't imagine why we should restrict.
21:27:30 <anish> +1 to bob
21:27:34 <plh> Bob: then it should be clear in the document that it is not limited
21:28:10 <plh> ... objection to specificy the cardinality to 0.. ?
21:28:48 <plh> s/icy/y/
21:29:07 <anish> xml:lang ?
21:29:31 <plh> Tom: if we support the use of multiple languages, then it should useful to specify the language on them as well to support the local
21:29:45 <TonyR> s/Tom/Tony/
21:29:51 <plh> Jonathan: could be done through extensibility
21:30:22 <plh> Bob: seems a WSDL issue in general?
21:30:51 <plh> Marc: an obvious use case is to include a WSDL 1.1 and WSDL 2.0 reference
21:31:33 <plh> Katy: how would you know which one reference which anyway?
21:31:40 <plh> Marc: you'll need to dereference the service
21:31:58 <plh> Glen: you should encapsulate them into an element or restrict the cardinality to one
21:32:36 <plh> ... if we restrict to one, people can use extensibility anyway
21:33:13 <plh> Katy: you'll need to own client to handle the case then
21:33:36 <plh> Glen: that would be the case anyway. you need to have some out-of-band mechanism to understand the meaning anyway
21:34:03 <plh> ... if we're going to allow several, let's make the syntax clear, or we should restrict to one
21:35:03 <plh> .. we would need an element to do the paring between the service name and the interface name
21:35:55 <plh> Katy: maybe the issue is how often would people use this?
21:36:28 <plh> Bob: so restrict to one?
21:36:58 <plh> Katy: if we restrict to one, it would be one of each, right?
21:37:11 <plh> Marc: they are combinable indeed
21:37:31 <plh> Katy: can you specify an interface and embed some WSDL?
21:37:44 <plh> Glen: as long as the interface matches the WSDL, sure.
21:38:03 <plh> Jonathan: do we say that in the spec?
21:38:28 <plh> Katy: [quoting text] yes, it's covered.
21:38:41 <plh> Bob: objection to restrict the cardinality to one?
21:39:13 <plh> Resolution: lc 122 closed. cardinality for ServiceName, InterfaceName, EndpointName limited to one.
21:39:48 <plh> ACTION: Editors to limited cardinality for ServiceName, InterfaceName, EndpointName
21:39:58 <plh> Topic: Future
21:40:08 <plh> Bob: how many more issues should we expect?
21:40:16 <plh> Glen: don't think you'll get some from us.
21:40:35 <plh> Jonathan: expecting to get some this week. A couple of them are interesting.
21:41:04 <plh> Bob: we'll schedule next week call for one hour only as well
21:41:38 <plh> ... we'll be in summer time next week in the US.
21:41:50 <plh> ... we'll keep it 4pm US/Eastern
21:42:07 <plh> ... we also need to start looking for implementations
21:42:10 <plh> Glen: and a test suite
21:42:53 <plh> Bob: we'll want to progress this to CR fast.
21:43:33 <Zakim> +Gilbert_Pilz.a
21:43:49 <plh> Bob: the PR review for Core and SOAP Binding is ongoing.
21:43:57 <plh> Philippe: no objection so far I think
21:44:16 <plh> Paul: I started a discussion thread on the list about next steps.
21:44:27 <plh> ... what does it mean, etc.
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21:44:41 <Zakim> -yinleng
21:44:43 <Zakim> -Tom_Rutt
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21:45:05 <Zakim> -Plh
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21:45:06 <Zakim> -prasad
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21:45:11 <Zakim> -Nilo
21:45:29 <bob> rrsagent, make logs public
21:45:47 <bob> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:45:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/03/27-ws-addr-minutes.html bob
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23:05:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Gilbert_Pilz, in WS_AddrWG()4:00PM
23:05:01 <Zakim> WS_AddrWG()4:00PM has ended
23:05:04 <Zakim> Attendees were Bob_Freund, David_Illsley, Nilo, TonyR, bozhong, Plh, prasad, Pete_Wenzel, Tom_Rutt, Jonathan_Marsh, [IPcaller], Gilbert_Pilz, Anish, Dave_Hull, Paul_Downey,
23:05:07 <Zakim> ... Paul_Knight, Dave_Orchard, Marc_Hadley, Mark_Peel/Katy_Warr, yinleng, GlenD