IRC log of htmltf on 2006-03-27

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13:46:50 [RalphS]

zakim, this will be swbp

13:46:50 [Zakim]

ok, RalphS; I see SW_BPD(rdfxhtml)9:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes

13:47:03 [RalphS]

Meeting: SWBPD HTML TF

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Mar/0074.html

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Regrets: Ben, Jeremy

13:47:43 [RalphS]

Previous: 2006-03-20 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Mar/0068.html

14:01:54 [Zakim]

SW_BPD(rdfxhtml)9:00AM has now started

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+Ralph

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14:05:37 [MarkB_]

Hi Ralph...I'm just dialling now.

14:05:47 [MarkB_]

Steven is also delayed...his new computer has crashed!

14:07:19 [Zakim]

+??P6

14:07:26 [MarkB_]

ZAKIM, I AM ?

14:07:26 [Zakim]

+MarkB_; got it

14:09:02 [RalphS]

Clocks in US move forward next week so telecon will be back to "normal" for Europeans next week

14:11:34 [RalphS]

Mark: I've been thinking about using a bnode as the subject for about="" rather than the current document

14:11:52 [RalphS]

... this allows the document to move around (or be at multiple URIs)

14:12:04 [RalphS]

... am trying to write this all up

14:13:58 [RalphS]

Ralph: I can remember discussions going back 8 years on this sort of issue

14:14:17 [RalphS]

Mark: may also relate to the idea of named graphs

14:14:23 [RalphS]

... and might make reification easier

14:20:06 [RalphS]

Topic: Action review

14:20:42 [RalphS]

[PENDING] ACTION: Mark, Steven, and Ralph respond to Ben's off-list draft of response to Bjoern [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/13-htmltf-minutes.html#action05]

14:21:10 [RalphS]

Mark: I still want to read Ben's draft more carefully

14:21:11 [RalphS]

Ralph: me too

14:21:22 [RalphS]

[PENDING] ACTION: once Steven sends editors' draft of XHTML2, all TF members take a look and comment on showstopper issues only [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]

14:21:36 [RalphS]

Mark: not sure of current schedule

14:21:52 [RalphS]

... last time Steven and I spoke he was still working through the issues list

14:22:37 [RalphS]

Ralph: is there anything in the RDF/A material that is delaying the editors' draft?

14:23:00 [RalphS]

Mark: not that I'm aware, though Steven may have an action to add to some examples

14:23:56 [RalphS]

Ralph: just want to be sure that if there's anything this TF can help with it's made known

14:24:10 [RalphS]

[Ralph will copy remaining actions on Ben and Jeremy]

14:24:21 [RalphS]

Topic: XHTML 1.1 modularization for RDF/A

14:24:31 [RalphS]

[PENDING] ACTION: Mark work on a first draft of an RDF/A XHTML 1.1 module [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/06-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]

14:24:54 [RalphS]

Mark: no significant progress since last meeting

14:27:53 [RalphS]

Ralph: the idea of 1.1 modularization has growing interest

14:28:37 [RalphS]

... I've been getting a lot of pressure to document use cases better

14:28:49 [RalphS]

Mark: I had some of that info in the wiki but the wiki got spammed

14:29:09 [RalphS]

... Ben's work has encouraged me to work on marking-up a real site

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14:30:39 [Steven-mobile]

zakim, dial steven-mobile

14:30:39 [Zakim]

ok, Steven-mobile; the call is being made

14:30:41 [Zakim]

+Steven

14:30:41 [RalphS]

Ralph: is IPTC likely to adopt all of RDF/A, whether to markup HTML or some other vocabulary?

14:31:21 [MarkB_]

zakim, mute steven

14:31:21 [Zakim]

Steven should now be muted

14:31:29 [MarkB_]

sorry steven!

14:31:45 [RalphS]

Mark: I did some work for IPTC to tweak RDF/A for them

14:31:54 [RalphS]

... CURIE abbreviated syntax is a key item for them

14:31:56 [Steven-mobile]

zakim, drop me

14:31:56 [Zakim]

sorry, Steven-mobile, I do not see a party named 'Steven-mobile'

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-Steven

14:32:22 [Steven-mobile]

zakim, dial steven-mobile

14:32:22 [Zakim]

ok, Steven-mobile; the call is being made

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+Steven

14:32:32 [RalphS]

Mark: I've been wanting to add an abbreviation for ...

14:32:56 [MarkB_]

<span ....>

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<meta property="a:b" content="c" />

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</span>

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<span a:b="c">...</span>

14:34:05 [RalphS]

Mark: this would mean every attribute in a foreign namespace would become a predicate

14:34:20 [RalphS]

... IPTC is very concerned about the size of their documents

14:34:43 [RalphS]

... a small change to a news item can add k-bytes of metadata

14:35:50 [RalphS]

... if we were to include such a feature in RDF/A then there would be no difference between the features IPTC is using and the features of RDF/A

14:35:57 [RalphS]

... but IPTC would not be using XHTML 2

14:36:11 [RalphS]

... a standard RDF/A parser would understand IPTC documents

14:38:36 [RalphS]

Topic: CURIEs plural in property, rel, rev, ...

14:39:47 [RalphS]

Mark: I was initially in favor but an issue was raised last time that gave me pause

14:40:30 [RalphS]

... does get difficult to read if there's a long list of space-separated values for an attribute

14:43:55 [RalphS]

Next Meeting: 3 April, 1300 UTC

14:44:12 [Zakim]

-Ralph

14:44:14 [Zakim]

-MarkB_

14:44:19 [RalphS]

[adjourned]

14:44:34 [RalphS]

rrsagent, please make this record public

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14:44:50 [RalphS]

zakim, drop steven

14:44:50 [Zakim]

Steven is being disconnected

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SW_BPD(rdfxhtml)9:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Ralph, MarkB_, Steven

14:44:58 [RalphS]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

14:44:58 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/03/27-htmltf-minutes.html RalphS

14:52:10 [RalphS]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben review Jeremy's actions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/20-htmltf-minutes.html#action14]

14:52:20 [RalphS]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben start separate mail threads on remaining discussion topics [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-swbp-minutes#action04]

14:52:32 [RalphS]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben talk off-line with Jeremy about a realistic implementation schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/21-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]

14:52:39 [RalphS]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to develop a plan for a marketing/news web site about RDF/A and send it to the list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/13-htmltf-minutes.html#action16]

14:52:39 [RalphS]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to draft full response to Bjoern's 2004 email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-swbp-minutes.html#action03]

14:52:39 [RalphS]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben update his bookmarklet for XHTML mode [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/13-htmltf-minutes.html#action12]

14:52:49 [RalphS]

[PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy followup on HEAD about= edge case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-swbp-minutes#action03]

14:52:49 [RalphS]

[PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy followup with Mark on the question of multiple triples from nested meta and add to issues list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-swbp-minutes#action01]

14:53:00 [RalphS]

[PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy look into the XHTML namespace issue and write thoughts into email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/06-htmltf-minutes.html#action02]... next

14:53:00 [RalphS]

[PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy propose wording on reification [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-swbp-minutes#action02]

14:53:19 [RalphS]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

14:53:19 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/03/27-htmltf-minutes.html RalphS

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