IRC log of wai-wcag on 2006-03-16
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/03/16-wai-wcag-irc
- 19:58:07 [ben]
- RRSAgent, make log world
- 19:58:16 [ben]
- zakim, which conference?
- 19:58:17 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, ben.
- 19:58:21 [ben]
- zakim, list conferences
- 19:58:21 [Zakim]
- I see SVG_WG()2:00PM, XML_QueryWG(ttf)3:00PM, XML_EXI()1:30PM active
- 19:58:22 [Zakim]
- also scheduled at this time are WAI_WCAG()3:00PM, WAI_UAWG()2:00PM
- 19:58:25 [ben]
- zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
- 19:58:25 [Zakim]
- ok, ben; I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
- 19:58:26 [bengt]
- already done
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- Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JanMar/0608.html
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- Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden and John_Slatin
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- 19:59:27 [ben]
- agenda+ misc. items from last week
- 19:59:35 [rellero]
- Hi
- 19:59:36 [ben]
- agenda+ Team B Techniques for March 16
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- agenda+ Team A Techniques for March 16
- 19:59:50 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
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- agenda+ Proposal to Delete or Keep 2.4.1
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- agenda+ Misc. Issues and Proposals for March 16
- 20:00:04 [Zakim]
- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 20:00:10 [ben]
- agenda+ Resolution to freeze normative content in for publication
- 20:00:36 [Zakim]
- +??P26
- 20:00:37 [Zakim]
- +Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 20:00:45 [ben]
- zakim, ??P26 is Gregg_and_Ben
- 20:00:45 [Zakim]
- +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
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- +Bengt
- 20:00:56 [LucaMascaro]
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- agenda+ Resolution to freeze normative content in for publication
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- +Michael_Cooper
- 20:01:04 [ben]
- agenda+ Timeline, remaining techniques cleanup, request for volunteers to help with editing/proofreading
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- +[IPcaller]
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- 20:02:04 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller.a]
- 20:02:05 [ben]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:02:06 [rscano]
- no, skype
- 20:02:06 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bengt, Michael_Cooper, [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a]
- 20:02:20 [Zakim]
- +John_Slatin
- 20:02:23 [LucaMascaro]
- Zakim, [IPcaller.a is LucaMascaro
- 20:02:23 [Zakim]
- +LucaMascaro; got it
- 20:02:26 [LucaMascaro]
- zakim, mute me
- 20:02:26 [Zakim]
- LucaMascaro should now be muted
- 20:02:38 [bengt]
- dialpad has changed so that it reports contact phone number as callid
- 20:02:40 [Zakim]
- +Yvette_Hoitink
- 20:02:41 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller.a]
- 20:02:45 [Sorcha]
- IP caller is Sorcha Moore, Segala
- 20:02:53 [Zakim]
- +Alex_Li
- 20:02:54 [rscano]
- zakim, [IPcaller.a is Roberto_Scano
- 20:02:54 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Scano; got it
- 20:03:08 [rscano]
- zakim, I am Roberto_Scano
- 20:03:09 [Zakim]
- ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
- 20:03:16 [rscano]
- zakim, mute me
- 20:03:16 [Zakim]
- Roberto_Scano should now be muted
- 20:03:17 [Yvette]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:03:17 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bengt, Michael_Cooper, [IPcaller], LucaMascaro (muted), John_Slatin, Yvette_Hoitink,
- 20:03:21 [Zakim]
- ... Roberto_Scano (muted), Alex_Li
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- +Tim_Boland
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- 20:03:51 [Yvette]
- zakim, [IPcaller] is Sorcha_Moore
- 20:03:51 [Zakim]
- +Sorcha_Moore; got it
- 20:04:10 [Yvette]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:04:10 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bengt, Michael_Cooper, Sorcha_Moore, LucaMascaro (muted), John_Slatin, Yvette_Hoitink,
- 20:04:13 [Zakim]
- ... Roberto_Scano (muted), Alex_Li, Tim_Boland
- 20:04:15 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 20:04:17 [rellero]
- Zakim, [IPcaller is rellero
- 20:04:18 [Zakim]
- +rellero; got it
- 20:04:22 [rellero]
- zakim, mute me
- 20:04:22 [Zakim]
- rellero should now be muted
- 20:04:30 [rscano]
- :D
- 20:05:29 [rellero]
- no :)
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- 20:05:58 [ben]
- Regrets: Christophe_Strobbe
- 20:06:16 [Michael]
- scribe: Michael
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- -Alex_Li
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- +Sofia_Celic
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- +??P6
- 20:07:36 [Michael]
- zakim, take up item 1
- 20:07:36 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "misc. items from last week" taken up [from ben]
- 20:09:40 [Michael]
- resolution: adopt following for real-time event: event occurring at the same time as the viewing that is not completely generated by the content and is not pre-recorded
- 20:10:39 [Zakim]
- +Alex_Li
- 20:11:15 [ben]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 20:11:15 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bengt, Michael_Cooper, Sorcha_Moore, LucaMascaro (muted), John_Slatin, Yvette_Hoitink
- 20:11:19 [Zakim]
- ... (muted), Roberto_Scano (muted), Tim_Boland, rellero (muted), Sofia_Celic (muted), ??P6, Alex_Li
- 20:11:31 [rscano]
- zakim, rellero is Roberto_Ellero
- 20:11:31 [Zakim]
- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
- 20:13:23 [Yvette]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 20:13:23 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bengt, Michael_Cooper, Sorcha_Moore, LucaMascaro (muted), John_Slatin, Yvette_Hoitink
- 20:13:27 [Zakim]
- ... (muted), Roberto_Scano (muted), Tim_Boland, Roberto_Ellero (muted), Sofia_Celic (muted), ??P6, Alex_Li
- 20:14:27 [Yvette]
- zakim, ??p6 is Cynthia_Shelly
- 20:14:27 [Zakim]
- +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
- 20:16:33 [Michael]
- resolution: adopt following for "content"
- 20:16:35 [Michael]
- ...information to be communicated to the user by means of a user agent
- 20:16:41 [Michael]
- ...Note: This includes the code and markup that define the structure, presentation, and interaction, as well as text, images, and sounds that convey information to the end-user.
- 20:21:21 [Michael]
- ack j
- 20:24:44 [Michael]
- resolution: accept following definition of "idiom"
- 20:24:45 [Michael]
- ...phrase whose meaning cannot be deduced from the meaning of the individual words and where the specific words cannot be changed without losing the meaning
- 20:24:47 [Michael]
- ...plus examples in proposal http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2006-03-09misc/results#xidiomdef, preface #4 with "The phrase in Dutch..." and quote the phrase
- 20:27:47 [Michael]
- ack j
- 20:27:48 [Michael]
- ack t
- 20:29:02 [Michael]
- resolution: close issue 1763 (Don't exclude downloaded software) with comment "This clause has been removed"
- 20:29:49 [Michael]
- resolution: close Issue 1764 (Advice on how to handle Aggregated Content) with comment "See new language which allows use of original author claim or aggregator claim."
- 20:30:34 [Michael]
- resolution: close Issue 1811 (Baselines may make WCAG useless – and 508 will become the standard) with comment "Baselines are the only way to deal with the “until user agent’ issue that plagues 1.0 and limits its useful life. We could find no other way to address the problem."
- 20:32:08 [Yvette]
- q+
- 20:32:23 [ben]
- zakim, who is on the phone
- 20:32:23 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is on the phone', ben
- 20:32:29 [ben]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 20:32:29 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bengt, Michael_Cooper, Sorcha_Moore, LucaMascaro (muted), John_Slatin, Yvette_Hoitink,
- 20:32:33 [Zakim]
- ... Roberto_Scano (muted), Tim_Boland, Roberto_Ellero (muted), Sofia_Celic (muted), Cynthia_Shelly, Alex_Li
- 20:32:38 [Michael]
- ack y
- 20:32:42 [gregg]
- ack y
- 20:32:55 [ben]
- q+
- 20:34:06 [Michael]
- ack b
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- 20:36:05 [Michael]
- ack j
- 20:36:53 [Zakim]
- +Becky_Gibson
- 20:37:30 [Michael]
- ack c
- 20:37:34 [gregg]
- ack c
- 20:39:38 [Michael]
- ack a
- 20:40:44 [gregg]
- ack c
- 20:41:39 [Michael]
- ack j
- 20:43:05 [Michael]
- resolution: stick with A, AA, AAA in conformance document: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JanMar/att-0497/conformance_with_edits.html
- 20:43:36 [Michael]
- resolution: accept with edits revised conformance draft http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JanMar/att-0497/conformance_with_edits.html
- 20:43:54 [Michael]
- ...survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2006-03-09conf/results#xdraftnot
- 20:44:21 [Ryladog]
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- 20:44:25 [Michael]
- resolution: accept revised introduction with edits from survey
- 20:44:43 [Michael]
- zakim, next item
- 20:44:43 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Team B Techniques for March 16" taken up [from ben]
- 20:46:00 [Yvette]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20060316TeamB/results
- 20:46:07 [Michael]
- resolution: accept with edits surveyed items that had status of accept or accept with edits for all surveys surveyed this week
- 20:46:15 [Michael]
- ...Proposed wording for SC 1.3.2, How to Meet Success Criterion 2.4.3,Grouping links, How to Meet Success Criterion 2.4.7
- 20:47:11 [Yvette]
- zakim, unmute me
- 20:47:11 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
- 20:47:26 [Zakim]
- +Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 20:51:49 [Michael]
- ack c
- 20:55:26 [Michael]
- ack j
- 20:55:29 [Michael]
- ack l
- 20:58:02 [gregg]
- ack c
- 20:58:45 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 20:58:56 [Michael]
- Failure due to complete change of main content through an automatic update that the user cannot disable from within the content, Proposed revisions to How to Meet Success Criterion 1.1.1, Providing short text alternatives for non-text content that serve the same purpose and present the same information, Using null alt text and no title attribute on img elements for images that AT should...
- 20:58:58 [Michael]
- alt="image") for Images that should be ignored by AT, 1416, 1671, 1672, 1673, 1674, 1678, 1775, 1807,Using THE ACCESSIBILTY API FEATURES OF A TECHNOLOGY to expose the names and roles, allow user-settable properties to be directly set, and provide notification of changes,Creating components using a technology that supports the accessibility API features of the platforms on which the user...
- 20:58:59 [Michael]
- resolution: consent decree from Team A survey
- 20:59:01 [Michael]
- ...ignore, Failure due to providing a text alternative that is not null. (e.g.. alt="spacer" or
- 20:59:02 [Michael]
- ...agents will be run to expose the names and roles, allow user-settable properties to be directly set, and provide notification of changes
- 20:59:17 [Michael]
- resolution: consent decree from Misc. items survey:
- 20:59:19 [Michael]
- 1808, 1820, 1834, 486, 1894
- 20:59:47 [ben]
- zakim, [IP is David_MacDonald]
- 20:59:47 [Zakim]
- +David_MacDonald]; got it
- 21:00:07 [Zakim]
- +??P9
- 21:00:13 [Michael]
- zakim, David_MacDonald] is David_MacDonald
- 21:00:13 [Zakim]
- +David_MacDonald; got it
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- -Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 21:01:05 [Yvette]
- zakim, unmute me
- 21:01:05 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink was not muted, Yvette
- 21:01:42 [David_MacDonald]
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- 21:02:13 [Michael]
- q+ to ask who is last person to join
- 21:03:02 [Yvette]
- q+
- 21:04:35 [David_MacDonald]
- q+
- 21:04:52 [Michael]
- ack j
- 21:04:57 [gregg]
- ack m
- 21:04:58 [Zakim]
- Michael_Cooper, you wanted to ask who is last person to join
- 21:05:25 [Kesh]
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- 21:06:29 [gregg]
- ack y
- 21:06:39 [Michael]
- zakim, ??P9 is Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 21:06:39 [Zakim]
- +Kerstin_Goldsmith; got it
- 21:07:15 [gregg]
- ack d
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- Q+
- 21:07:39 [David_MacDonald]
- zakim, umute me
- 21:07:39 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'umute me', David_MacDonald
- 21:08:03 [David_MacDonald]
- i'm ok here
- 21:08:06 [David_MacDonald]
- ok
- 21:08:06 [Michael]
- zakim, who is muted?
- 21:08:06 [Zakim]
- I see LucaMascaro, Yvette_Hoitink, Roberto_Scano, Roberto_Ellero, Sofia_Celic muted
- 21:08:16 [gregg]
- ACK D
- 21:08:22 [David_MacDonald]
- i'm write it
- 21:08:39 [David_MacDonald]
- description....isn't more a description
- 21:09:13 [David_MacDonald]
- perhaps we can says "description"
- 21:09:15 [David_MacDonald]
- no
- 21:09:46 [Ryladog]
- :-)
- 21:12:14 [Michael]
- ack j
- 21:13:51 [Michael]
- ack a
- 21:14:41 [Michael]
- ack g
- 21:15:12 [Yvette]
- q+
- 21:16:46 [Yvette]
- zakim, unmute me
- 21:16:46 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
- 21:17:12 [Michael]
- ack y
- 21:21:00 [Michael]
- ack l
- 21:22:46 [ben]
- q+ to propose, "
- 21:22:46 [ben]
- 2.4.5 Each link is associated with text describing the purpose of the link. and 2.4.9 The purpose of each link can be programmatically determined from the link without changing the focus."
- 21:24:15 [gregg]
- ACK J
- 21:24:25 [gregg]
- ACK B
- 21:24:25 [Zakim]
- ben, you wanted to propose, "
- 21:24:51 [Yvette]
- zakim, unmute me
- 21:24:51 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink was not muted, Yvette
- 21:25:41 [David_MacDonald]
- 2.4.5 Each link is associated with text describing the destination of the link
- 21:25:48 [gregg]
- each link is associated with text from which the purpose can be inferred
- 21:26:14 [gregg]
- ack j
- 21:27:34 [gregg]
- ack a
- 21:30:00 [Becky]
- q+
- 21:30:12 [gregg]
- ack b
- 21:30:24 [David_MacDonald]
- q+
- 21:31:10 [gregg]
- ack d
- 21:31:25 [David_MacDonald]
- q+
- 21:31:25 [Becky]
- resolution: revise SC 2.4.5 to read, "The unique function of each link can be determined. "
- 21:31:25 [Becky]
- ... add 2.4.9 to read, "The unique function of each link can be programmatically determined from the link."
- 21:31:50 [Becky]
- previous post for INFORMATION ONLY (becky is not the scribe)
- 21:33:01 [Michael]
- q+ Bruce
- 21:33:05 [ben]
- q+ Bruce
- 21:33:14 [gregg]
- ack d
- 21:35:01 [David_MacDonald]
- ack d
- 21:35:06 [Michael]
- ack l
- 21:37:07 [Michael]
- ack c
- 21:37:09 [Michael]
- ack b
- 21:42:00 [Zakim]
- -Bruce_Bailey
- 21:43:15 [Zakim]
- +Bruce_Bailey
- 21:43:48 [Yvette]
- q+ to say "delete 2.4.9"
- 21:44:56 [David_MacDonald]
- q+
- 21:45:09 [Zakim]
- -Sorcha_Moore
- 21:45:29 [Yvette]
- ack y
- 21:45:29 [Zakim]
- Yvette, you wanted to say "delete 2.4.9"
- 21:46:07 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 21:46:14 [Sorcha]
- ip caller is Sorcha Moore
- 21:46:21 [Yvette]
- zakim, [IP is Sorcha_Moore
- 21:46:21 [Zakim]
- +Sorcha_Moore; got it
- 21:46:29 [Sorcha]
- thanks!
- 21:47:10 [Zakim]
- +Judy
- 21:47:27 [gregg]
- ack d
- 21:47:35 [gregg]
- ack j
- 21:47:36 [gregg]
- ack l
- 21:47:44 [Michael]
- resolution: accept following wording for SC 2.4.9
- 21:48:04 [Michael]
- ..."The purpose of each link can be programmatically determined from the link"
- 21:48:16 [judy]
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- 21:48:23 [Michael]
- resolution: accept following wording for SC 2.4.5
- 21:48:28 [Michael]
- ..."Each link is programmatically associated with text from which its purpose can be determined"
- 21:48:35 [Michael]
- ...if sufficient techniques are: 1) link text, 2) link text plus different types of conditional content (aka "title") (with UA support note), 3) link text plus hidden link text, 4) Link text plus text of parent (with UA support note)
- 21:48:51 [bengt]
- ben tell john he lost connection to irc
- 21:49:26 [Michael]
- zakim, next item
- 21:49:26 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Team A Techniques for March 16" taken up [from ben]
- 21:54:14 [Becky]
- scribe: Becky
- 21:55:26 [Zakim]
- -Bruce_Bailey
- 21:56:18 [Zakim]
- +Bruce_Bailey
- 21:56:37 [Tim]
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- + +1.703.674.aaaa
- 21:58:20 [Becky]
- Topic: level of captioning for live multimedia
- 22:02:23 [Ryladog]
- +k
- 22:02:36 [Ryladog]
- +katie
- 22:02:43 [Ryladog]
- +q
- 22:03:00 [Ryladog]
- q+
- 22:03:01 [Yvette]
- q+ katie
- 22:03:07 [Yvette]
- ack katie
- 22:06:49 [gregg]
- ack a
- 22:06:52 [gregg]
- ack r
- 22:08:41 [Yvette]
- zakim, who's muted?
- 22:08:41 [Zakim]
- I see Michael_Cooper, LucaMascaro, Yvette_Hoitink, Roberto_Scano, Roberto_Ellero, Sofia_Celic muted
- 22:09:04 [Yvette]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 22:09:19 [Zakim]
- Yvette, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bruce_Bailey (3%), Tim_Boland (4%)
- 22:11:23 [Michael]
- zakim, unmute me
- 22:11:23 [Zakim]
- Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted
- 22:11:54 [Yvette]
- q+
- 22:13:06 [Yvette]
- acl y
- 22:13:08 [Yvette]
- acak y
- 22:13:09 [Michael]
- zakim, mute me
- 22:13:09 [Zakim]
- Michael_Cooper should now be muted
- 22:13:11 [Yvette]
- ack y
- 22:16:26 [Zakim]
- - +1.703.674.aaaa
- 22:18:18 [Becky]
- Resolution: close issue 1850 group discussed moving this to level 1 and felt that it should not be moved to level 1.
- 22:23:21 [Zakim]
- -Michael_Cooper
- 22:25:14 [Ryladog]
- q+
- 22:25:55 [Becky]
- Topic: change to SC 1.1.1
- 22:25:57 [Becky]
- Resolution: Accept proposed revision to 1.1.1 with John's edit
- 22:26:31 [Becky]
- Topic: Providing long descriptions for non-text content that serves the same purpose and presents the same information
- 22:26:59 [Becky]
- Resolution: Accept above technique with John's edits.
- 22:31:20 [Zakim]
- -Alex_Li
- 22:31:55 [ben]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 22:32:01 [Zakim]
- +Alex_Li
- 22:32:04 [Zakim]
- -Tim_Boland
- 22:32:08 [Zakim]
- ben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Becky_Gibson (47%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (25%), Gregg_and_Ben (39%), Tim_Boland (25%)
- 22:32:11 [Becky]
- Revised Resolution: Accept above technique with edits.
- 22:32:24 [Zakim]
- -Alex_Li
- 22:32:41 [Becky]
- Topic: Proposed revisions to SC 4.1.2 and related definitions (was 4.1.2, 4.1.3, 4.1.4, 4.1.5)
- 22:33:58 [Zakim]
- -LucaMascaro
- 22:34:09 [Ryladog]
- q+
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- 22:39:30 [Yvette]
- zakim, unmute me
- 22:39:30 [Zakim]
- Yvette_Hoitink was not muted, Yvette
- 22:42:14 [Zakim]
- +Alex_Li
- 22:44:06 [Becky]
- ack cyn
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- -Yvette_Hoitink
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- notification of changes to these items is available to user agents, including assistive technology
- 22:54:38 [gregg]
- ack j
- 22:54:53 [gregg]
- ack r
- 22:54:55 [gregg]
- ack k
- 22:55:05 [Ryladog]
- katie
- 22:55:11 [Ryladog]
- i want to talk
- 22:55:17 [Ryladog]
- q+
- 22:55:55 [ben]
- ack Ryladog
- 22:55:59 [ben]
- ack alex
- 22:56:06 [gregg]
- ack j
- 22:57:31 [Becky]
- Resolution accept changes to 4.1.2 with edits and new SC text: For all user interface components, the name and role can be programmatically determined, values that can be set by the user can be set programmatically, and notification of changes to these items is available to user agents, including assistive technology
- 22:58:38 [David_MacDonald]
- scribe: David
- 22:58:44 [ben]
- scribe: David_MacDonald
- 23:00:56 [ben]
- Topic: Definition of Programmatically Determined
- 23:05:01 [gregg]
- ack c
- 23:05:03 [gregg]
- ack a
- 23:05:19 [Zakim]
- -Becky_Gibson
- 23:09:10 [ben]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 23:09:10 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_and_Ben, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bengt, John_Slatin, Roberto_Scano (muted), Roberto_Ellero (muted), Sofia_Celic (muted), Cynthia_Shelly,
- 23:09:13 [Zakim]
- ... David_MacDonald, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Sorcha_Moore, Judy, Bruce_Bailey, Alex_Li
- 23:10:31 [gregg]
- ack j
- 23:10:40 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Scano
- 23:10:43 [rscano]
- 'night
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- 23:15:18 [David_MacDonald]
- resolution:Definition of programmatically determined Note: Publicly documented here means that documents are available in a free and accessible manner to all users, including availability on the Web.
- 23:16:57 [David_MacDonald]
- resolution: accept the definition as proposed: with chage to note as above:
- 23:17:05 [ben]
- Topic: Definition of "label"
- 23:19:11 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: accept the definition of label as proposed
- 23:19:24 [ben]
- Topic: Proposed revisions to How to Meet Success Criterion 4.1.2
- 23:20:41 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: accept the definition of label as proposed, "text, image or sound that is presented to a user to identify a component within Web content "
- 23:22:48 [Zakim]
- -Kerstin_Goldsmith
- 23:23:11 [Kesh]
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- 23:23:17 [David_MacDonald]
- resolution: how to meet 4.1.2 with edits
- 23:23:38 [David_MacDonald]
- resolution: unanimously accet how to meet 4.1.2 with edits
- 23:24:02 [David_MacDonald]
- s/accet/accept
- 23:24:09 [ben]
- Topic: Issue 1893: concerns that 4.1.2 prohibits HTML components
- 23:24:21 [David_MacDonald]
- s/chage/change
- 23:33:38 [David_MacDonald]
- action: Cynthia write a technique or example that describes how to write an accessible tree
- 23:34:14 [David_MacDonald]
- resolution: close 1893 with " there are ways to make trees accessible"
- 23:34:52 [David_MacDonald]
- resolution: "Addressed by edits to 4.1.2. Revised proposal for 4.1.2. It is possible to make trees accessible."
- 23:36:48 [David_MacDonald]
- test
- 23:37:40 [David_MacDonald]
- test
- 23:38:00 [ben]
- scribe: ben
- 23:38:14 [ben]
- resolution: accept 06Using MARKUP FEATURES to expose the name and role, allow user-settable properties to be directly set, and provide notification of changes01 with edits
- 23:38:57 [ben]
- Topic: Proposed revisions for SC 1.3.1
- 23:39:31 [ben]
- 1.3.1 Information and relationships conveyed through presentation can be programmatically determined and notification of changes to these items is available to user agents, including assistive technology.
- 23:40:19 [ben]
- resolution: revise 1.3.1 to read, 1.3.1 Information and relationships conveyed through presentation can be programmatically determined and notification of changes to these is available to user agents, including assistive technology.
- 23:41:31 [ben]
- Topic: SC 2.4.1
- 23:41:45 [gregg]
- ack c
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- ack j
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- 23:42:46 [ben]
- resolution: delete SC 2.4.1
- 23:42:58 [Zakim]
- -Sorcha_Moore
- 23:43:02 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 23:43:09 [Sorcha]
- sorcha moore
- 23:43:16 [Sorcha]
- apologies - skype problems
- 23:43:21 [ben]
- zakim, [IP is Sorcha_Moore
- 23:43:21 [Zakim]
- +Sorcha_Moore; got it
- 23:43:44 [ben]
- zakim close this item
- 23:43:48 [ben]
- zakim, close this item
- 23:43:48 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 closed
- 23:43:49 [Zakim]
- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 23:43:50 [Zakim]
- 4. Proposal to Delete or Keep 2.4.1 [from ben]
- 23:43:51 [Zakim]
- -Roberto_Ellero
- 23:43:57 [ben]
- zakim, close agendum 4
- 23:43:57 [Zakim]
- agendum 4, Proposal to Delete or Keep 2.4.1, closed
- 23:43:58 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 23:43:59 [Zakim]
- 5. Misc. Issues and Proposals for March 16 [from ben]
- 23:44:02 [ben]
- zakim, take up agendum 5
- 23:44:02 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "Misc. Issues and Proposals for March 16" taken up [from ben]
- 23:45:17 [ben]
- Topic: Issue 1630
- 23:46:31 [ben]
- resolution: close issue 1630 with John's proposal
- 23:46:41 [taki]
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- 23:46:45 [ben]
- Topic: Issue 1833: SC 4.2.1 - use relative priority for conformance
- 23:46:52 [taki]
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- 23:50:46 [ben]
- resolution: add a new level 2 SC for 4.2 that reads, "If content does not meet all Level 2 success criteria, then an alternate version is available from the same URI that does meet all Level 2 success criteria."
- 23:51:37 [ben]
- resolution: close 1833 with we have created a new level 2 SC that reads as follows: "If content does not meet all Level 2 success criteria, then an alternate version is available from the same URI that does meet all Level 2 success criteria."
- 23:52:06 [ben]
- Topic: Issue 1876: Reword 4.2.1 to emphasize accessible version
- 23:54:35 [ben]
- resolution: revise 4.2.1 to read, "At least one version of the content meets all level 1 success criteria, but alternate version(s) that do not meet all level 1 success criteria may be available from the same URI." and close 1876 as proposed.
- 23:54:54 [ben]
- Topic: Issue 1786: Suggest using EARL for conformance claims