IRC log of ws-addr on 2006-03-13

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/03/13-ws-addr-irc
20:45:10 [bob]
zakim, this will be ws_addrwg
20:45:10 [Zakim]
ok, bob; I see WS_AddrWG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
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Meeting: Web Services Addressing WG Teleconference
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Chair: Bob Freund
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Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/7D5D3FDA429F4D469ADF210408D6245A0390D2@jeeves.freunds.com
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+Bob_Freund
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+Jonathan_Marsh
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-Bob_Freund
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+Bob_Freund
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+David_Illsley
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+Hugo
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+??P3
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+Prasad_Yendluri
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+Nilo
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+Paul_Downey
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+Andreas_Bjarlestam
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+Dave_Hull
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+[IBM]
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zakim, who is ??P3
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I don't understand 'who is ??P3', pauld
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+Tom_Rutt
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zakim, IBM contains Paco
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+Paco; got it
21:05:01 [dhull]
issue MM01: Does anyone else have BC in the final four?
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issue MM02: Is 'Nova really that good?
21:05:19 [Zakim]
+ +44.196.286.aaaa - is perhaps Katy_Warr?
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+ +44.796.805.aabb
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+[Microsoft]
21:06:31 [bob]
zakim aabb is mlittle
21:06:32 [pauld]
zakim, aabb is Mark_Little
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+Mark_Little; got it
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+Pete_Wenzel
21:06:44 [pauld]
zakim, aaaa is really Katy_Warr
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sorry, pauld, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
21:06:54 [bob]
zakim Microsoft is vernal
21:07:16 [pauld]
zakim, you bloody well should know aaaa
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I don't understand 'you bloody well should know aaaa', pauld
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+??P15
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+Vikas_Deolaliker
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-Mark_Little
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zakim, ??P15 is me
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+yinleng; got it
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see Bob_Freund, Jonathan_Marsh, David_Illsley, Hugo, ??P3, Prasad_Yendluri, Paul_Downey, Nilo, Andreas_Bjarlestam (muted), Dave_Hull, [IBM], Tom_Rutt, Katy_Warr?
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... (muted), [Microsoft], Pete_Wenzel, yinleng, Vikas_Deolaliker
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[IBM] has Paco
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On IRC I see Paco, vikas, TRutt, dhull, yinleng, Katy, Nilo, marc, David_Illsley, prasad, Jonathan, RRSAgent, Zakim, bob, pauld, hugo
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-??P3
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+Dave_Orchard
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+GlenD
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+??P13
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zakim, who is on the phone?
21:13:55 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Bob_Freund, Jonathan_Marsh, David_Illsley, Hugo, Prasad_Yendluri, Paul_Downey, Nilo, Andreas_Bjarlestam (muted), Dave_Hull, [IBM], Tom_Rutt, Katy_Warr? (muted),
21:13:58 [Zakim]
... [Microsoft], Pete_Wenzel, yinleng, Vikas_Deolaliker, Dave_Orchard, GlenD, ??P13
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[IBM] has Paco
21:14:09 [TonyR]
zakim, ??p13 is me
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+TonyR; got it
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+Steve_Vinoski
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+Marc_Hadley
21:21:24 [pauld]
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/testsuite/report/
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ack hu
21:27:49 [TonyR]
zakim, who is making noise
21:27:49 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is making noise', TonyR
21:27:51 [TonyR]
zakim, who is making noise?
21:28:02 [Zakim]
TonyR, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bob_Freund (67%), GlenD (23%)
21:29:46 [bob]
Following a discussion with the Director about cr3, I would like to make the following suggestion to the Working Group to strengthen the text about xml:id by replacing:
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Attribute extensibility allows use of xml:id[xml:id] for
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identification of these elements if desired.
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by:
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Hugo's proposal
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An xml:id[xml:id] attribute SHOULD be used for identification of
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these elements when desired, as allowed by the attribute
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extensibility.
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21:34:40 [bob]
zakim, who is making noise
21:34:40 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is making noise', bob
21:34:52 [pauld]
"This is an apparent flaw in the design of Canonical XML. The Exclusive XML Canonicalization Version 1.0 specification does not have this feature and may be more appropriate for documents containing IDs."
21:35:15 [bob]
zakim, who is making noise?
21:35:16 [pauld]
from: http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-id/
21:35:26 [Zakim]
bob, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Jonathan_Marsh (65%), Dave_Orchard (4%), Nilo (14%), GlenD (24%)
21:35:28 [pauld]
http://www.ws-i.org/Profiles/BasicSecurityProfile-1.0.html#Canonicalization
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says use exclusive canonicalisation
21:36:13 [bob]
Resolution: close with no action
21:37:06 [bob]
Hugo's email on note:
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I would like to discuss the status section of the SOAP 1.1 Request Optional Response HTTP Binding document (current draft at [1]).
21:37:09 [bob]
21:37:09 [bob]
The status section needs to contain some customized text about the document and what the document is intended to do with it, which was unclear to me based on our discussion at the F2F[2].
21:37:09 [bob]
21:37:10 [bob]
More to the point, I would like to know how to deal with comments, and suggest that it would make sense to publish as a Working Draft first before retiring the document as a Working Group Note.
21:44:18 [bob]
Resolution: accept Hugo's proposal, open comments for minimum window & coordinate with XMLP
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Jonathan's point:
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Jonathan's issue on cr namespace:Core spec section 1.2 says: "The Working Group intends to maintain the value of the Web Services Addressing 1.0 - Core namespace URI that was assigned in the Candidate Recommendation unless significant changes are made that impact the implementation of the specification."
21:45:35 [bob]
21:45:35 [bob]
I assume this can be removed in the PR version. Possibly the RDDL document could use some updated language about the final namespace URI too.
21:46:39 [TRutt]
q+
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ack tr
21:49:24 [bob]
Resolutions: clean up elements without changing namespace
21:50:08 [bob]
Section 3.2.1 states:
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Comparison of [destination] property values is out of scope, other than using simple string comparison to detect whether the value is anonymous, that is, where [destination] has the value "http://www.w3.org/2005/08/addressing/anonymous".
21:50:11 [bob]
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21:50:18 [bob]
I don’t believe this changed when we added the “none” URI, though it probably should have. A complete solution would allow both anon and none URIs to be detected through simple string comparison:
21:50:20 [bob]
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21:50:24 [bob]
21:50:26 [bob]
Comparison of [destination] property values is out of scope, other than using simple string comparison to detect whether the value is anonymous, that is, where [destination] has one of the values "http://www.w3.org/2005/08/addressing/anonymous" or “http://www.w3.org/2005/08/addressing/none”.
21:50:30 [bob]
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21:50:36 [bob]
This is unfortunately probably related to the implementation of a LC issue rather than a CR one.
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abve is quoted from Jonathan's email
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s/clean up/remove/
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q+
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ack dh
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Resolution: Close with no action
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Jonathan's comment re infoset
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The reference in the Core and SOAP bindings to the Infoset is to the first edition. Should they not be to the second edition instead?
21:54:42 [bob]
Resolution: Hugo will fix this other stale references
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Topic: Glen's issue "Where do faults go?"
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q+
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q-
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q+
22:01:37 [dorchard]
What about generating a relatesTo for each messageID?
22:02:12 [dorchard]
From a common sense, it does "relate to" each of the message ids...
22:06:23 [dorchard]
Our job is to deal with edge cases. that's 90+% of specs is the edge cases.
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Glen's comments / proposal on the topic
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I'd propose we fix this by adding something like the following at the end of the last paragraph in section 3.2: "In that case, any duplicated headers MUST NOT be used to populate the appropriate MAPs - the MAPs should be interpreted as if no such headers were present." I *think* this should do it, and since we're already clear about the lack of an explicit FaultTo causing faults to go to ReplyTo, I think we're covered there.
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I'd also like to add, for clarity, section headings for the last two paragraphs of section 3.2:
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3.2.1 Sending Messages
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3.2.2 Receiving Messages
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A recipient MUST generate a wsa:InvalidAddressingHeader (see 016.4.1 Invalid Addressing Header) fault if such a message is received and any header with an incorrect cardinality MUST be ignored.
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A recipient MUST generate a wsa:InvalidAddressingHeader (see 6.4.1 Invalid Addressing Header) fault if such a message is received; headers with an incorrect cardinality are not used to populate the corresponding abstract properties.
22:21:18 [GlenD]
Alternate proposal - replace 2nd sentence with
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If a message contains more than one wsa:To [...] targeted at a recipient, the corresponding property MUST NOT be populated.
22:22:49 [dhull]
brb
22:23:38 [marc]
A recipient MUST generate a wsa:InvalidAddressingHeader (see 6.4.1 Invalid Addressing Header) fault if such a message is received; headers with an incorrect cardinality MUST NOT be used to populate the corresponding abstract properties.
22:24:30 [bob]
Resolution: accept text above
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3.2.1 Sending Messages
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3.2.2 Receiving Messages
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Resolution: accept above changes
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Resolution: take core and soap to PR
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Resolution: Hugo clarifies that WG note may be published without comment period
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ed copy updated:http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2004/ws/addressing/ws-addr-soap.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#s12moduledesc
22:30:47 [dorchard]
gEt LoSt
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Sometimes called "alternating character camel-case v2"
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-Jonathan_Marsh
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-Paul_Downey
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-Andreas_Bjarlestam
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-Tom_Rutt
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-Dave_Orchard
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-Bob_Freund
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-Steve_Vinoski
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-GlenD
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-Marc_Hadley
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-Dave_Hull
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-[Microsoft]
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-Hugo
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-yinleng
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-Pete_Wenzel
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-Prasad_Yendluri
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-David_Illsley
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-Katy_Warr?
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-TonyR
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-Vikas_Deolaliker
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-[IBM]
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Scribe: Pete
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thanks pete for scribing
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rrsagent, make logs public
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/03/13-ws-addr-minutes.html bob
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-Nilo
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WS_AddrWG()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Bob_Freund, Jonathan_Marsh, David_Illsley, Hugo, Prasad_Yendluri, Nilo, Paul_Downey, Andreas_Bjarlestam, Dave_Hull, Tom_Rutt, Paco, +44.196.286.aaaa,
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... +44.796.805.aabb, [Microsoft], Mark_Little, Pete_Wenzel, Vikas_Deolaliker, yinleng, Dave_Orchard, GlenD, TonyR, Steve_Vinoski, Marc_Hadley