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Comment LC-1922

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Commenter: Marghanita da Cruz <marghanita@ramin.com.au>

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[Free text description]Document as a wholeSMIL Timesheets 1.0 W3C Working Draft 10 January 2008 Abstract Abstract Status of this document Status of this document Table of contents 1 Introduction 1 Introduction 1.1 Motivation 1.1 Motivation 1.2 Design Rationale 1.2 Design Rationale 1.3 Structure of the Document 1.3 Structure of the Document 2 Overview 2 Overview 3 SMIL Timesheets Basic Concepts 3 SMIL Timesheets Basic Concepts 3.1 Timing and Synchronization 3.1 Timing and Synchronization Figure 1: Timeline of a Timesheets 3.2 Selection Mechanism 3.2 Selection Mechanism Figure 1: Item Selection Process for Nested Items 3.3 Event Model 3.3 Event Model 3.4 Index Functionality 3.4 Index Functionality 4 SMIL Timesheet Specific Elements 4 SMIL Timesheet Specific Elements 4.1 The timesheet element 4.1 The timesheet element Element Attributes Element Attributes The src Attribute The src Attribute The media Attribute The media Attribute Element Content Element Content 4.2 The item element 4.2 The item element Element Attributes Element Attributes The select Attribute The select Attribute The beginInc Attribute The beginInc Attribute Element Functions Element Functions The Index() Function The Index() Function Element Content Element Content 5 SMIL Timing and Synchronization Elements 5 SMIL Timing and Synchronization Elements 5.1 Attributes 5.1 Attributes The begin Attribute The begin Attribute The dur Attribute The dur Attribute The end Attribute The end Attribute The fill Attribute The fill Attribute The endsync Attribute The endsync Attribute The repeatCount Attribute The repeatCount Attribute The repeatDur Attribute The repeatDur Attribute The first Attribute The first Attribute The prev Attribute The prev Attribute The next Attribute The next Attribute The last Attribute The last Attribute 5.2 Elements 5.2 Elements The par Element The par Element The seq Element The seq Element The excl Element The excl Element 6 Prefetch 6 Prefetch 6.1 Attributes 6.1 Attributes The mediaSize Attribute The mediaSize Attribute The mediaTime Attribute The mediaTime Attribute The bandwidth Attribute The bandwidth Attribute 6.2 Elements 6.2 Elements The prefetch Element The prefetch Element 7 Animation 7 Animation 7.1 Attributes 7.1 Attributes The attributeName Attribute The attributeName Attribute The attributeType Attribute The attributeType Attribute The values Attribute The values Attribute The from Attribute The from Attribute The to Attribute The to Attribute The by Attribute The by Attribute The calcMode Attribute The calcMode Attribute The accumulate Attribute The accumulate Attribute The additive Attribute The additive Attribute The origin Attribute The origin Attribute 7.2 Elements 7.2 Elements The animate Element The animate Element The set Element The set Element The animateMotion Element The animateMotion Element The animateColor Element The animateColor Element 7 Event Model 7 Event Model Internal Events Internal Events User Events User Events Event Semantics Event Semantics Index Function Index Function 8 Integration with CSS Layout 8 Integration with CSS Layout Appendix A. References Appendix A. References E.1 Normative References E.1 Normative References [CSS2] E.2 Informative References E.2 Informative References [DOM2Events] [SMIL30] [SVG] [TimesheetsTutorial] [XForms] [XHTML] [XHTMLplusSMIL] Appendix B. Acknowledgements Appendix B. Acknowledgements
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As requested, see below.

Also, just in case, you haven't considered the convergence issues with
broadcasting,
it might be useful to check that SMIL timesheets harmonise with at least one of
the Teletext formats for DVB and the text in DAB. Other areas might be
Scheduling information and advertising breaks stuff.

Marghanita

Thierry Michel wrote:
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> Could you please resent your comment to the , as this is
> the proper mailing list for SMIL Timesheets 1.0 Last Call comments.
> We are tracking comments on this list.
<snip>

da Cruz wrote:
>> Hi Thiery,
>>
>> Perhaps editing and moving the bits you have highlighted, higher up in
>> the Introduction and into the Abstract would be useful. To me, it
>> seems more important than the reference to XML.
>>
>>>> SMIL Timesheets can be seen as a temporal counterpart of CSS.
>>>> Whereas CSS defines the spatial layout of the document and
>>>> formatting of the elements,SMIL Timesheets specify which elements
>>>> are active at a certain moment and what their temporal scope is
>>>> within a document. And as with CSS, SMIL Timesheets can be reused in
>>>> multiple documents, which can provide a common temporal framework
>>>> for multimedia presentations with different contents but identical
>>>> storylines.
>>
>> My suggested rewording would be along the lines of
>>
>> "SMIL Timesheets provide a temporaral counterpart to CSS for the
>> presentation/viewing/incorporation of Multimedia elements into
>> Webpages. SMIL Timesheets [allow an author to] specify which elements
>> are active.
>>
>> As with CSS, SMIL timesheets can be reused/are available to multiple
>> documents. "
>>
>> I don't quite understand what you are trying to say here.
>>
>> >>The document can be shown
>> >> in a user agent even if SMIL Timesheets are not supported, since the
>> >> contents and the layout are still governed by the document itself. Of
>> >> course, the temporal aspect of the document is then lost, since
>> all the
>> >> elements are active all the time."
>>
>> Perhaps....
>> "In the event SMIL timesheets are not supported by a User Agent, the
>> contents and layout, are still governed by the document, though the
>> temporal aspects of the multimedia elements may be lost."
>>
>> Marghanita
>>
>> Thierry Michel wrote:
>>>
>>> Marghanita,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your comment.
>>>
>>>
>>> I read in SMIL Timesheets 1.0 introduction the following statement
>>>
>>> "This document defines an XMLdefines an XML-based timing language
>>> that makes SMIL 3.0 element and attribute timing control available to
>>> a wide range of other XML-based languages. This language allows SMIL
>>> timing to be integrated into a wide variety of a-temporal languages,
>>> even when several such languages are combined in a compound document.
>>> Because of its similarity with external style and positioning
>>> descriptions in the Cascading Style Sheet (CSS) language, this
>>> functionality has been termed SMIL Timesheets.
>>> SMIL Timesheets can be seen as a temporal counterpart of CSS. Whereas
>>> CSS defines the spatial layout of the document and formatting of the
>>> elements,SMIL Timesheets specify which elements are active at a
>>> certain moment and what their temporal scope is within a document.
>>> And as with CSS, SMIL Timesheets can be reused in multiple documents,
>>> which can provide a common temporal framework for multimedia
>>> presentations with different contents but identical storylines. The
>>> document can be shown in a user agent even if SMIL Timesheets are not
>>> supported, since the contents and the layout are still governed by
>>> the document itself. Of course, the temporal aspect of the document
>>> is then lost, since all the elements are active all the time."
>>>
>>>
>>> Could you please say what else should we say to explain positioning
>>> of SMIL Timesheets and what it offers ?
>>> What do you find unclear ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is also an example showing how to combine SMIL Timesheets with
>>> XHTML, for a simple slide show. This is just one example showing how
>>> to add timing with SMIL Timesheets to an XML-based languages, like
>>> XHTML.
>>>
>>> Should we have another example with another ML-based language ?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your suggestion.
>>>
>>> Thierry.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> da Cruz wrote:
>>>> Hi Thierry,
>>>>
>>>> As someone who has dabbled in Video on the Web and SMIL, reading
>>>> through the
>>>> abstract and introduction I found it difficult to position the
>>>> timesheets.
>>>>
>>>> It would help, those outside the SMIL group, to position the SMIL
>>>> timesheets if
>>>> the abstract and introduction provided an elaboration of what SMIL
>>>> is/offers.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps and Audience section would also help.
>>>>
>>>> Marghanita
>>>>
>>>> Thierry Michel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Last Call review period for SMIL Timesheets 1.0 extends until
>>>>> 15 Febuary 2008.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have not yet received your comments on the public mailing
>>>>> www-smil@w3.org,
>>>>>
>>>>> In particular, comments from the following groups:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Compound Documents Format Working Group
>>>>> - CSS Working Group
>>>>> - HTML Working Group
>>>>> - Scalable Vector Graphics Working Group
>>>>> - Members of the Hypertext Coordination Group
>>>>>
>>>>> When do you plan to send your review ?
>>>>> Let us know if you need more delay.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thierry.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thierry Michel wrote:
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The SYMM Working Group has published its First and Last Call Working
>>>>>> Draft of the SMIL Timesheets 1.0
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-timesheets-20080110/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This document defines an XML timing language that makes SMIL 3.0
>>>>>> element
>>>>>> and attribute timing control available to a wide range of other XML
>>>>>> languages. This language allows SMIL timing to be integrated into
>>>>>> a wide
>>>>>> variety of a-temporal languages, even when several such languages are
>>>>>> combined in a compound document. Because of its similarity with
>>>>>> external
>>>>>> style and positioning descriptions in the Cascading Style Sheet (CSS)
>>>>>> language, this functionality has been termed SMIL Timesheets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The SYMM WG actively requests members of related WG's to read and
>>>>>> comment on these technologies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Last Call review period for this document extends until 15
>>>>>> Febuary
>>>>>> 2008. Please send comments to the public mailing www-smil@w3.org,
>>>>>> including the prefix'[Timesheets LC comment]' in the subject line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In particular, we invite comments from the following groups:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Compound Documents Format Working Group
>>>>>> - CSS Working Group
>>>>>> - HTML Working Group
>>>>>> - Scalable Vector Graphics Working Group
>>>>>> - Members of the Hypertext Coordination Group
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patent disclosure page of this SYMM WG is at
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/35663/status
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The SYMM WG approval for Last Call publication is at
>>>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/symm/2008Jan/0021.html
>>>>>> There is no formal objection associated with this document.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Thierry Michel Team contact, on behalf of the co-Chairs, SYMM
>>>>>> Working Group
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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