IRC log of i18ncore on 2006-02-21

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meeting: i18n core working group
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chair: Francois
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scribe: Felix
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scribeNick: fsasaki
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Feb/0028.html
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zakim, dial felix-home
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ok, fsasaki; the call is being made
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I18N_Core_WG()11:00AM has now started
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+Felix
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zakim, drop felix
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Felix is being disconnected
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I18N_Core_WG()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Felix
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zakim, dial felix-home
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ok, fsasaki; the call is being made
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I18N_Core_WG()11:00AM has now started
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+Felix
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zakim, dial ishida
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ok, r12a; the call is being made
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+Ishida
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+[IBM]
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zakim, [IBM is Mary
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+Mary; got it
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+[IPcaller]
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Zakim, [ is fyergeau
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+fyergeau; got it
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zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see Felix, Ishida, Mary, fyergeau
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On IRC I see fyergeau, r12a, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
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topic: action items
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action: Felix to Ask HP AC rep about HP participation in tech plenary (DONE)
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.. but I guess too late for tech plenary, maybe we find some body in general
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action: Felix to schedule a meeting with WS folks on Thursday and Friday (DONE)
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.. but not successfuly
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.. the meeting will be on Monday / Tuesday, within the WSDL group
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+Karunesh_Arora
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action: Francois to review the PLS spec (ONGOING)
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action: all except Mary to read ws-i18n before the tech plenary (ONGOING)
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action: Felix to ask Addison and Mark about language tags in CSS (ONGOING)
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.. hope to be able to talk to them at the Unicode conference
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action: francois / all to go through charmod norm comments (ONGOING)
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francois: that will mostly happen during the tech plenary
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action: http://www.w3.org/International/core/reviews
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zakim, dial ishida-home
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ok, r12a; the call is being made
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+Ishida
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-Ishida
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zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see Felix, Mary, fyergeau, Karunesh_Arora, Ishida
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On IRC I see karuneshvijay, fyergeau, r12a, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
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felix: 3 new documents:
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.. xml schema data types
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.. wsdl addr 1.0
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.. p3p 1.1
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.. http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xmlschema11-2-20060217/
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francois: real issues with xml schema data types
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.. with time and date stuff
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felix: they have taken some stuff from xquery
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francois: they have data types in different name spaces
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felix: that might be solved soon
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on p3p 1.1: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006JanMar/0197.html
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richard: could we get martin to review that?
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action: felix to ping martin to review p3p 1.1
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action: felix to ask mark davis to participate in the review of xml schema data types
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action: mary to review wsdl addr 1.0 http://www.w3.org/International/core/reviews#ws-addr-wsdl
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francois: we should set mary as the main reviewer
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felix: will do
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http://www.w3.org/International/tutorials/tutorial-lang/
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http://www.w3.org/QA/2006/02/content_negotiation.html
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richard: wrote comments on this
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richard: I will ask them to get i18n review stuff by i18n geo or core people
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felix: do you want us to go through your comments and send them as core comments?
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richard: no, don't need to make this formal at this stage. I'll just copy to the list
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felix: what issues did you have with the article?
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richard: they miss a bunch of stuff about why one should use language negation
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.. and a lot of other stuff.
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topic: css selector reviews / cdf
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felix: no update
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francois: we will meet them at the tech plenary
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.. what is open for CDF?
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felix: IRI stuff
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.. and spelling errors, we don't have to follow these
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topic: MWBP 1.0 update (from Richard)
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http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0602-mwbp10/
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richard: comment 7:
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felix: will it be o.k. to give them the comments later?
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richard: the deadline was last week
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felix: I will make the changes tomorrow
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richard: in Unicode you need more bytes for indic scripts
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.. it is a true statement, why include it here?
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francois: one point that is worth making:
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.. if you have fields with fixed length
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.. they might not be big enough
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.. if they are created for latin languages
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richard: what do you propose?
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felix: to say "take lenght issues for forms into account"
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francois: people try to take band width into account
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.. so they have to be careful of script related issues
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richard: so to say "you may want to consider special compression forms of Unicode"
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francois: an additional point: if you want to translate to a different encoding, a different bandwith might be necessary
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action: richard to try a formulation for comment 9
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felix: try s.t. before as well
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comment 10
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richard: what is the issue?
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francois: in a mobile, you might not have the option to get translations
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richard: e.g. the pull down menues
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francois: yes. it is not technically impossible, but I don't know if it exists
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felix: example of a lexicon which can only be accessed from a non-mobile HP
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.. and as the comment: make this obvious in the comment
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richard: have a wording on it tomorrow?
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action: felix and richard to finish up mwbp comments tomorrow (richard's time)
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comment 16
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richard: we say "has to be made"
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.. how about "would be"?
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felix: o.k.
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richard: comment 24
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felix: I'll go trough it tomorrow
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comment 28
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francois: to encourage them to use standard mechanisms for lang decl?
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richard: they should point to the standard mechanisms
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francois: good thing
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.. I would add:
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.. there may be a mobile specific mean
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.. use the standards for language, if there is s.t. else (mobile specific), go ahead
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richard: o.k., I'll change that
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francois: use the standards as far as possible, then go behind it
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richard: last comment:
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.. encourage Unicode
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all agree on that
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topic: http://www.w3.org/International/Group/2006/i18ncore-f2f-20060302-agenda.html
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francois: filled everthing, except for the last slot
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.. the slot for ws will be empty
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felix: how about using more time for charmod (norm)?
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francois: some items can be short, e.g. ltli
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.. fine everybody?
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.. 90 minutes o.k. for ws i18n?
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richard: tech plenary is very useful
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.. to talk to other groups
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.. the 4 days as i18n core
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action: felix to set up a meeting with xml core / xml schema people about charmod norm
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-fyergeau
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-Mary
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/02/21-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
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http://www.w3.org/2005/12/allgroupoverview.html
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http://www.w3.org/2005/10/tp6groups.html
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-Karunesh_Arora
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-Ishida
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disconnecting the lone participant, Felix, in I18N_Core_WG()11:00AM
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Attendees were Felix, Ishida, [IBM], Mary, [IPcaller], fyergeau, Karunesh_Arora
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