17:52:36 RRSAgent has joined #swbp 17:52:36 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc 17:52:44 rrsagent, please make this log public 17:53:04 RalphS has changed the topic to: SWBPD WG 20 Feb agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Feb/0124.html 17:53:04 pepper has joined #swbp 17:56:48 dbooth has joined #swbp 17:57:49 SW_BPD()1:00PM has now started 17:57:56 +DBooth 17:58:22 +Ralph 17:59:46 Elisa has joined #swbp 18:00:04 FabGandon has joined #swbp 18:00:10 + +47.22.80.aaaa 18:00:23 zakim, aaaa is Steve 18:00:23 +Steve; got it 18:00:53 +Elisa_Kendall 18:01:02 TBaker has joined #swbp 18:01:04 +David_Wood 18:01:13 +[Sophia] 18:01:15 zakim, [Sophia] is FabGandon 18:01:15 +FabGandon; got it 18:01:52 Zakim, mute FabGandon 18:01:52 FabGandon should now be muted 18:02:56 +Guus_Schreiber 18:03:39 -Guus_Schreiber 18:05:24 Meeting: SWBPD WG 18:05:34 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Feb/0124.html 18:05:39 zakim, list attendees 18:05:39 As of this point the attendees have been DBooth, Ralph, +47.22.80.aaaa, Steve, Elisa_Kendall, David_Wood, FabGandon, Guus_Schreiber 18:06:06 Chair: DavidW 18:06:11 Regrets: Evan, Deb, ChrisH, Phil, BenA, BenjaminN, DanBri, Raphael, Libby, Jacco, Brian 18:06:31 Topic: Admin 18:06:53 PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 6 Feb 2005 telecon: http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html 18:07:54 JeffP has joined #swbp 18:08:00 RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 6 Feb 2005 telecon: http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html 18:08:25 PROPOSED next meeting 6 March 2006 18:08:41 + +1.441.224.aabb 18:08:49 zakim, aabb is me 18:08:49 +JeffP; got it 18:09:02 Ralph: 6 March is the Monday after the Tech Plenary 18:10:14 Ralph: I propose we consider 3 March to be an informal WG meeting 18:10:56 Note: 6 of March is also the Semantic Web Service Workshop see http://www.w3.org/2006/03/ws2-seminar.html 18:11:50 Zakim, unmute FabGandon 18:11:50 FabGandon should no longer be muted 18:12:16 Fabien: regrets for 6 March 18:12:44 Elisa: Semantic Technologies conf in San Jose 6-9 March, so regrets from Deb, Elisa 18:13:01 ... the Monday is tutorials 18:13:38 Ralph: I'd like not to wait 4 weeks if we don't move VM and XSCH documents to publication today 18:14:14 ACTION: Ralph add link to minutes of f2f on WG home page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action14] 18:14:16 -- done 18:14:29 ACTION: Ralph check for link to minutes of March 2005 f2f on WG home page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action15] 18:14:42 -- done; link was there 18:14:57 Ralph: I will draft an agenda for 3 March 18:15:16 Topic: 2 Liaison 18:15:23 Topic: 2.1 Proposed resolution httpRange-14 18:15:40 ACTION: DBooth to draft a new message to the TAG noting the ambiguity remaining in httpRange-14 and HTTP responses [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action01] 18:16:06 -- done http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Feb/0123.html 18:16:26 DavidW: I read David's first draft, Ralph's reply included all my comments 18:17:06 Ralph had one more minor comment later, which I'll be happy to add: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Feb/0134.html 18:17:43 zakim, who is here? 18:17:43 On the phone I see DBooth, Ralph, Steve, Elisa_Kendall, David_Wood, FabGandon (muted), JeffP 18:17:45 On IRC I see JeffP, TBaker, FabGandon, Elisa, dbooth, pepper, RRSAgent, Zakim, RalphS 18:18:05 DBooth: Ralph made one more minor comment on the second draft which I'm happy to incorporate though it wasn't substantive 18:18:12 DavidW: I've reviewed it 18:18:27 ... specific comments raised at last telecon have been addressed 18:18:44 +Mike_Uschold 18:19:07 Ralph's minor comment to add: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Feb/0134.html 18:19:12 RESOLVED: David Booth's message to TAG is ok to send, with Ralph's comment from today 18:19:33 Topic: 2.2 Other 18:20:18 ACTION: Guus to arrange telecon between himself, Alistair and PFWG (rephrased as: "Guus to finish action of 2.4 within 1 week in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-minutes.html#action02") [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/17-swbp-minutes.html#action07] 18:20:20 -- done 18:20:39 Tpoic: 2.3 WWW2006 Planning and Discussion 18:21:13 (deferred to HTML TF agenda) 18:21:25 Topic: 3. Task Force Updates 18:21:46 Topic: 3.8 RDFTM - RDF/Topic Maps Interoperability 18:21:58 Steve: first draft of guidelines for RDFTM made available 18:22:04 ... Peter, Bernard, and Elisa made comments 18:22:13 ... editors will meet tomorrow 18:22:14 GiorgosStamou has joined #swbp 18:22:17 ... a large number of issues to addres 18:22:22 ... would like WG feedback asap 18:22:33 ... should we aim for a Recommendation or a Note? 18:23:28 Ralph: I haven't looked at the draft guidelines, so not familiar with the current state of the work, but the rec track takes several months, and the WG only has 2 months remaining, so I don't think it's practical to put it on the rec track. 18:24:05 sorry, no access to phone for me today 18:24:31 ... My suggestion is publish as a WG Note. Related question: How many revisions do you expect to do by 1 May 2006? If we took it to Note track, would we publish as a working draft soon and then respond to comment before 1 May? 18:25:26 Steve: Makes sense. I haven't been party to discussions about what happens to task forces that do not complete by 1 May. What happens to them? 18:26:25 Ralph: Variety of destinations for ongoing work. My suggestion for RDFTM is to charter an incubator group, which could then become rec track. Alternative would be to propose a WG for the same thing, but would raise question of resources for staffing it. 18:26:49 Steve: Like to have 2 rounds out by the 1 May. First draft in a week or two. 18:26:51 GiorgosStamou has joined #swbp 18:27:25 ... If we get a draft out in a couple of weeks, how do I recruit reviewers? 18:27:47 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Feb/0092.html RDF/Topic Maps Interoperability Survey is now a W3C Working Group Note 18:27:47 DWood: Just ask at a teleconf for volunteers. 18:28:17 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Feb/0090.html [RDFTM] Guidelines: Editor's draft for review 18:29:10 Ralph: You can recruit reviewers however you want. 18:29:19 DWood: But they should not be TF members. 18:29:50 Steve: Draft is out there, so further comments are invited. 18:30:43 Elisa: I'm willing to review but will really be prodding others who are more expert on Topic Maps than I am 18:31:43 DavidW: the audience for these documents is not just Topic Maps experts; they are also aimed at people who may not be familiar with Topic Maps 18:32:11 I am willing to be a reviewer. 18:32:13 +Tom_Baker 18:32:17 +Tom_Baker.a (was Tom_Baker) 18:32:32 Topic: 3.1 PORT 18:33:01 (no PORT representatives) 18:33:09 Topic: 3.2 OEP 18:33:28 Elisa: Chris is taking back part-whole note action; he now has CVS working again 18:33:48 ... in email Chris says he completed QCR Note action 18:34:29 ACTION: Chris to move QCR todo's to the changes section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action12] 18:34:31 -- continues 18:34:52 -- done 18:35:05 q+ 18:35:11 ACTION: Elisa to work with Ralph to make part-whole doc ready for publication (Elisa took over this action from Chris and Alan) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-minutes.html#action11] 18:35:13 -- continues 18:35:45 Jeff: I sent a review of QCR before Christmas 18:35:50 ... haven't seen any feedback on those comments 18:36:31 Elisa: apologies; Chris lost his hard drive in Galway and he just now has this all working again. 18:36:42 ... my guess is that Chris hasn't seen your comments. I'll prod him again 18:37:08 ... afaik there's been no responses to any of the [post-Galway] comments 18:37:28 ACTION: Evan to send note to Feng on discussion of semantics in time ontology note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action13] 18:37:41 -- done 18:37:58 DavidW: Chris and I talked about the Fluents note by mail 18:38:50 ... he doesn't plan to do this in the current WG timeline 18:39:38 ACTION: Guus to review OWL Time note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action09] 18:39:39 -- continues 18:40:22 Ralph: it's not yet clear where the OEP work will continue in the next round of Semantic Web Activity 18:41:03 Elisa: understood, but there's a lot of interest within the OEP Task Force on continuing based on comments we've been getting from outside 18:41:24 ACTION: Mike to put up latest version of the sem integration note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action10] 18:41:26 -- continues 18:41:45 ACTION: Raphael Georgios S, Fabien, Phil to review Semantic Integration note http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action15] 18:41:47 -- continues 18:42:14 (review not expected to start until Mike announces the next version) 18:43:00 Topic: 3.3 Wordnet 18:43:07 ACTION: Guus to ask Brian to review Wordnet doc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action17] 18:43:11 -- done http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Feb/0086.html 18:43:25 ACTION: Jacco to do second review of WordNet doc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action16] 18:43:27 -- done http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Feb/0106.html 18:43:37 Topic: 3.4 XSCH 18:44:05 ACTION: Ralph and Evan to provide reviews of Schema note http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/XSCH/xsch-sw-20060127/ by next meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action19] 18:44:42 -Steve 18:44:47 Ralph: I quickly skimmed the changes since the last Working Draft and am satisfied that it is acceptable for WG Note 18:45:18 zakim, mute me 18:45:18 Elisa_Kendall should now be muted 18:45:38 Jeff: Jeremy and I agree on the current draft 18:47:02 ACTION: DavidW prod Evan for his comments on the XSCH Editor's Draft 18:47:33 DavidW: Jeremy is reducing his participation in SWBPD to just the HTML TF 18:48:28 Ralph: I presume that publishing the XSCH Note is the final deliverable from the XSCH Task Force 18:48:55 Topic: 3.5 VM 18:49:23 ACTION: DBooth to re-review Apache Cookbook document by 14 Feb [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action20] 18:49:33 -- done http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Feb/0109.html 18:50:23 DavidW: I looked at DBooth's comments and feel it is appropriate to proceed to publish 18:50:59 DBooth: none of my comments are important to address prior to publication 18:51:06 ... one of the recipes said it was the s 18:51:18 ... simplest, but 303 redirects are simpler 18:51:27 ... a footnote would be sufficient 18:52:03 ... I'm fine leaving it to the editors to put in an appropriate comment 18:52:45 "(however, 303 redirect might offer easier options)" 18:52:49 DBooth: I offered some text 18:53:14 ... I'd prefer such a footnote were added but don't want to hold up publication 18:54:11 ACTION: Tom find a place for the footnote on "simplest" recipe 18:54:23 s/303 redirect/303 redirect service/ 18:54:39 RESOLVED to publish "Best Practice Recipes for Publishing RDF Vocabularies" as Working Draft: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/VM/http-examples/2006-01-18/ 18:54:45 Topic: 3.6 HTML 18:54:59 ACTION: Ralph to publish RDF/A document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action23] 18:55:03 -- continues 18:55:04 s/303 redirects/303 redirect services/ 18:55:55 Ralph: the HTML TF continues to meet and discuss some open issues 18:56:21 Topic: 3.9 Tutorial Page 18:56:37 ACTION: Ralph cite relevant CG meeting records [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-minutes.html#action23] 18:56:38 -- done 18:56:55 DavidW: Benjamin posted a form for tutorial feedback 18:57:13 ... no responses when I looked earlier today 18:57:21 ... but I noticed several links are 404 18:57:30 ... would be nice to clean this up; any volunteers to help? 18:57:58 zakim, unmute me 18:57:58 Elisa_Kendall should no longer be muted 18:58:10 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Feb/0131.html [Tutorials] Tutorials page quality assessment 18:58:20 Elisa: I will try to get someone from ODM to look at it 18:58:37 Topic: 3.10 Se 18:58:52 ACTION: RalphS will make a publication request for the SE Primer [recorded in [93]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-minutes.html#action24] 18:58:54 -- continues 18:58:57 zakim, mute me 18:58:57 Elisa_Kendall should now be muted 19:00:19 Jeff: we're going to pass the ODA note to Semantic Web Interest Group 19:00:34 ... current draft passes the W3C validator 19:00:43 ... Danny Ayers in SWIG is looking at the draft now 19:01:00 ... he'll give us feedback on asking the SWIG to review 19:01:19 ... organizing something from Workshop to submit to Journal on Software Engineering Practice 19:01:46 Topic: 3.11 MM 19:02:12 (no representative) 19:02:21 q+ 19:02:57 Jeff: several things going on in MM 19:03:12 ... first draft is close and we're planning for a second draft 19:03:19 ... thinking about what standards to cover in second draft 19:03:31 ... and we're planning to propose an Incubator Group on multimedia semantics 19:03:51 ... quite a few companies have expressed interest in the Incubator Group discussion 19:04:17 DavidW: saw mail from Guus about a workshop he is organizing 19:04:33 zakim, unmute me 19:04:33 Elisa_Kendall should no longer be muted 19:04:35 special session 19:04:44 ACTION: Mike to re-review MM doc to see if his concerns are addressed by end of this week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action27] 19:04:45 -- done 19:05:45 Elisa: Phil has been working on a possible Incubator Group for SE too 19:05:57 we are finishing the 1st deliverable and go to WD soon 19:06:07 Topic: Next Meeting 19:06:36 RESOLVED to meet 6 March 19:07:04 [adjourned] 19:07:07 -David_Wood 19:07:08 -JeffP 19:07:08 -Tom_Baker.a 19:07:09 -FabGandon 19:07:11 -DBooth 19:07:12 -Elisa_Kendall 19:07:20 -Ralph 19:08:28 SW_BPD()1:00PM has ended 19:08:29 Attendees were DBooth, Ralph, +47.22.80.aaaa, Steve, Elisa_Kendall, David_Wood, FabGandon, Guus_Schreiber, +1.441.224.aabb, JeffP, Mike_Uschold, Tom_Baker 19:08:40 rrsagent, please draft minutes 19:08:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-minutes.html RalphS 19:09:35 zakim, bye 19:09:35 Zakim has left #swbp 19:09:37 rrsagent, bye 19:09:37 I see 20 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-actions.rdf : 19:09:37 ACTION: Ralph add link to minutes of f2f on WG home page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action14] [1] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-14-14 19:09:37 ACTION: Ralph check for link to minutes of March 2005 f2f on WG home page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action15] [2] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-14-29 19:09:37 ACTION: DBooth to draft a new message to the TAG noting the ambiguity remaining in httpRange-14 and HTTP responses [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action01] [3] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-15-40 19:09:37 ACTION: Guus to arrange telecon between himself, Alistair and PFWG (rephrased as: "Guus to finish action of 2.4 within 1 week in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-minutes.html#action02") [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/17-swbp-minutes.html#action07] [4] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-20-18 19:09:37 ACTION: Chris to move QCR todo's to the changes section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action12] [5] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-34-29 19:09:37 ACTION: Elisa to work with Ralph to make part-whole doc ready for publication (Elisa took over this action from Chris and Alan) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-minutes.html#action11] [6] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-35-11 19:09:37 ACTION: Evan to send note to Feng on discussion of semantics in time ontology note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action13] [7] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-37-28 19:09:37 ACTION: Guus to review OWL Time note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action09] [8] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-39-38 19:09:37 ACTION: Mike to put up latest version of the sem integration note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action10] [9] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-41-24 19:09:37 ACTION: Raphael Georgios S, Fabien, Phil to review Semantic Integration note http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action15] [10] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-41-45 19:09:37 ACTION: Guus to ask Brian to review Wordnet doc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action17] [11] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-43-07 19:09:37 ACTION: Jacco to do second review of WordNet doc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action16] [12] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-43-25 19:09:37 ACTION: Ralph and Evan to provide reviews of Schema note http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/XSCH/xsch-sw-20060127/ by next meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action19] [13] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-44-05 19:09:37 ACTION: DavidW prod Evan for his comments on the XSCH Editor's Draft [14] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-47-02 19:09:37 ACTION: DBooth to re-review Apache Cookbook document by 14 Feb [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action20] [15] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-49-23 19:09:37 ACTION: Tom find a place for the footnote on "simplest" recipe [16] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-54-11 19:09:37 ACTION: Ralph to publish RDF/A document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action23] [17] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-54-59 19:09:37 ACTION: Ralph cite relevant CG meeting records [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-minutes.html#action23] [18] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-56-37 19:09:37 ACTION: RalphS will make a publication request for the SE Primer [recorded in [93]http://www.w3.org/2006/01/23-swbp-minutes.html#action24] [19] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T18-58-52 19:09:37 ACTION: Mike to re-review MM doc to see if his concerns are addressed by end of this week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-swbp-minutes.html#action27] [20] 19:09:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/20-swbp-irc#T19-04-44