IRC log of i18ncore on 2006-02-07

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meeting: i18n core working group
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chair: Francois
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scribe: Felix
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Feb/0004.html
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previous meeting: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006JanMar/0140.html
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scribeNick: fsasaki
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zakim, dial Keio-617
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ok, fsasaki; the call is being made
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I18N_Core_WG()11:00AM has now started
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+Keio
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+[IBM]
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zakim, [IBM] is Mary
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+Mary; got it
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see Keio, Mary
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
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zakim, Keio has Felix
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+Felix; got it
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+[IPcaller]
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akim, [ is fyergeau
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zakim, [ is fyergeau
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+fyergeau; got it
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Feb/0004.html
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regrets: Richard
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topic: action items
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action: Felix to ask Addison and Mark about language tags in css (ONGOING)
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action: Felix to give back our feedback to CSS and CDF WG (DONE)
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action: felix to ask addison for preparations for meetings with ws folks at tech plenary (ONGOING)
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action: Felix to contact Moataz about HP replacement and TP (ONGOING)
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action: francois / all to go through charmod norm comments of QT people etc. (ONGOING)
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topic: technical plenary agenda
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felix: meeting with css: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-html-cg/2006JanMar/0059.html
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felix: proposal from Bert: Fri, 14:00-15:30, at CSS WG
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Francois: Special meeting on 2D navigation. Thu, 11:00-12:00, at WAI PF
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felix: meeting with Philippe Le Hegaret?
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Francois: Thursday or Friday
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Francois: meeting with web services folks, would it be useful?
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Mary: Addison asked some people, but I don't know who?
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action: Felix to ask w3c ws "team" members about who to approach about ws i18n
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francois: topics:
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.. charmod norm
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felix: language and locale identifiers (just a short time)
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mary: I would like to go through the whole document
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.. if you just look at the document before the meeting and say "here is s.t. which is missing" etc.
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.. the usage scenarios, for example, had a lot of stuff, which is not in the current draft
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action: all except Mary to read ws-i18n before the tech plenary to be able to give comments
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francois: we should discuss IRI test suite
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action: Francois to ping Martin whether we could put IRI test suite on the agenda
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topic: comments on CSS selectors
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closed comments: 1, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19, 22
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comment 5
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s/5/6
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006JanMar/0168.html
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francois: This clarifies a lot
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.. but there is still an conformance issue
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francois: we are happy about comment 6
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comment 20
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francois: it seems not many people are calling for this
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.. at the minimum, it needs to be default clusters
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comment 21
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006JanMar/0139.html
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francois: maybe they accept it
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comment 23
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006JanMar/0108.html
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francois: we will be satisfied with no 3, so we don't have to keep this comment. The selector syntax seems to be self supportive
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topic: comments on cdr 1.0
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comment 2: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006JanMar/0170.html
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francois: they should clarify the scenario
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.. e.g. the image internal versus the image external
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.. that should not happen, and their spec should say that
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.. they say:
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But if you mean a document with an xml:lang CDR-referencing
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> another document without an xml:lang or other authoritative indication
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> of language, then I think you're left with heuristics as Bjoern
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> pointed out.
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francois: You should rely on the main document
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.. you have several sources of information, and they have priorities
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felix: let's go back to them in that sense
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topic: ltru: dependency between matching draft and the other parts of RFC 3066bis, see thread at http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ltru/current/msg04361.html
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francois: We have to wait for the publication of the other RFCs until we give advice to other working groups
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felix: I wrote a mail to Addison and Mark about this, and the CSS relation
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.. we have to wait until the issue is resolved or all 3 RFC drafts are "RFCs"
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topic: MWI review
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http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-mobile-bp-20060113/
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felix: I will take a look at this until next meeting
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topic: review of http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-newman-i18n-comparator-06.txt
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francois: we had long discussions about this in the context of XQuery
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.. there was no satisfactory resolution
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.. in XQuery, they just use URIs to specify collations
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.. this draft wants to create a collation registry
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.. we should have a look at this
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felix: put it into review table
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topic: review of http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-idn-nextsteps-02.txt
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francois: if we would have enough bandwith
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.. we would review it, but without the bandwith, we should not put it on the radar
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topic: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006JanMar/0171.html
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francois: You have to know the language to do this
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.. transliterating to latin letters depends on the language
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.. there is no universal transliteration scheme
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.. we will just review their draft as they come forward with it
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-fyergeau
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-Mary
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-Keio
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I18N_Core_WG()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Mary, Felix, [IPcaller], fyergeau
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
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zakim, make log public
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I don't understand 'make log public', fsasaki
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Felix to ask Addison and Mark about language tags in css (ONGOING) [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-irc#T16-06-33
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ACTION: Felix to give back our feedback to CSS and CDF WG (DONE) [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-irc#T16-06-52
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ACTION: felix to ask addison for preparations for meetings with ws folks at tech plenary (ONGOING) [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-irc#T16-07-13
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ACTION: Felix to contact Moataz about HP replacement and TP (ONGOING) [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-irc#T16-07-55
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ACTION: francois / all to go through charmod norm comments of QT people etc. (ONGOING) [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-irc#T16-08-28
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ACTION: Felix to ask w3c ws "team" members about who to approach about ws i18n [6]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-irc#T16-17-19
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ACTION: all except Mary to read ws-i18n before the tech plenary to be able to give comments [7]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-irc#T16-19-43
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ACTION: Francois to ping Martin whether we could put IRI test suite on the agenda [8]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/07-i18ncore-irc#T16-20-43
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zakim, bye
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