IRC log of ws-desc on 2006-02-02

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Meeting: Web Services Description WG call
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Scribe: Hugo
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s/call/call - RDF mapping/
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Chair: Jonathan
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Topic: Action items
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ACTION: JacekK to detail (e.g. in a list) what constraints of the component model are not enforced by the WSDL ontology. [IN PROGRESS]
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ACTION: JacekK to add an example to the RDF Mapping. [PENDING]
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Topic: Administrivia - Schedule
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Jonathan: I wanted to talk about schedule
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... when do we envision a LC WD?
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Jacek: Bijan, when do you think that we'll have the mapping tables?
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Bijan: they're pretty close to being ready
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Jonathan: who's doing that?
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Bijan: a graduate student at my school
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Jonathan: we'll need to ack him
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... maybe he'll be interested in joining the WG
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... so what state will we be in at the end of the month?
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Jacek: it can be mostly done by the TP
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... shortly after the TP, we could aim for LC
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Jonathan: a detailed review at the TP will be welcome
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... and we can go to LC 1 month later
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Hugo: I wanted to update the WG with rechartering thoughts
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... we're going to propose to the AC not to keep the RDF mapping on the Rec track in the end
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... the message will go out real soon now
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Jonathan: but it doesn't change our goal to go to Rec
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Hugo: that's correct
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Jonathan: w.r.t. RDF task force, Tony will be chairing the meetings starting next meeting
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Topic: Issue 283: Review of WSDL 2.0 - RDF Mapping: General comments
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[ Feeling in the WG that XSLT isn't the way forward ]
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Jacek: David would like to see a mapping from XMLspec to the RDF
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... I believe that mapping the component model is cleaner
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Bijan: I agree that we should close with no action
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Jonathan: XSLT seems like an interesting implementation
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Jacek: I don't think that the pain is worth it
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Jonathan: also, the edge cases in XSLT are tricky
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... was there more than using XSLT in this issue?
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Jacek: I think that we can answer David and tell him that no, we will not have a normative XSLT
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... but the rest of the issue should be open
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Bijan: we should add some text saying that the mappings are not designed for validation of the component model
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RESOLUTION: no to a definitive list of unenforced constraints, and yes to a general statement saying that there may be unenforced constraints with a couple of examples
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RESOLUTION: no to a normative XSLT
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s/no to a definitive/Issue 283: no to a definitive/
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s/no to a normative/Issue 283: no to a normative/
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ACTION: Jacek to implement resolution for issue 283 (above)
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RESOLUTION: issue 283 is closed
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this makes Jacek's first action item unneeded
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Topic: Issue 284: Review of WSDL 2.0 - RDF Mapping: Comments by Section
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Jacek: comment about "Section 1. Introduction"
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... I agree it would be nice, but I'm not sure where to do it
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... I declined to do that
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... "Section 3. Differences from the WSDL Component Model"
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[missed that]
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... "Section 3.1 Component naming"
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... I think that this issue is against the component designators, not the RDF mapping
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... "Appendix A: the owl ontology source"
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... this is still open in the context of another issue
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... I believe that we can close this issue with the editorial changes made
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... the last part is covered by issue 286
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Jonathan: so do you want to close it now or leave it open?
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Jacek: I think that it's fine closing it
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Bijan: I agree that we should close the issue
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RESOLUTION: issue 284 closed with editorial changes
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ACTION: Jonathan to close issue 285 in the issues list
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ACTION: Marsh to change status of 285
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s/ACTION: Marsh to change status of 285//
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Topic: Issue 286: Reusing Part-Whole ontology?
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Jacek: the annotations WG will come up with an ontology a whole and a part
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Bijan: I'm not sure that I agree that it's exactly the same
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... and I'm a little nervous on taking a dependency here
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... I think that it would be better to keep it more closely tied to our spec
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Jacek: if we keep our ontology, if we want to use their whole-part ontology, then we'll have a problem because it will be overloaded
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... from service to interface and from @@@ to @@@
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Bijan: if they're different, then we should introduce a new relationship
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Jacek: in any case, we should not use the part-whole ontology just yet
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Bijan: I agree
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RESOLUTION: Issue 286 closed; not doing it yet
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Topic: Issue 287: Modularization of the ontology?
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Jacek: I haven't had time to look into that yet
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... we could separate the bindings into separate modules
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... but I'm not sure how many modules would make sense
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Bijan: I don't think that it's really worth it
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... and I don't think that it's appropriate
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... trying to split along namespaces doesn't make sense
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... if you want to do some separation, I can run it against our analysis tool and see what happens
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ACTION: Bijan to run the partitioning analysis on ontology
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Topic: Issue 288: WSDL RDF mapping issue: coordination with SOAP WG
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Jacek: we need a URI to point to the idea of SOAP MEP
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... we asked them to bless our URI, but they declined because of a TAG recommendation
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... they promised to give us a URI
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Jonathan: so we should leave this one open until we get the URI from them then
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Jonathan, Tony, the minutes are at
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ACTION: JacekK to detail (e.g. in a list) what constraints of the component model are not enforced by the WSDL ontology. [IN PROGRESS] [1]
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ACTION: JacekK to add an example to the RDF Mapping. [PENDING] [2]
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ACTION: Jacek to implement resolution for issue 283 (above) [3]
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ACTION: Jonathan to close issue 285 in the issues list [4]
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ACTION: Bijan to run the partitioning analysis on ontology [6]
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Zakim, please excuse us
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Bijan_Parsia, Amelia_Lewis, TonyR, Jonathan_Marsh, JacekK, Allen_Brookes, Hugo, GlenD, Paul_Downey
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