IRC log of ws-desc on 2006-02-02
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- Meeting: Web Services Description WG call
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- Scribe: Hugo
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- s/call/call - RDF mapping/
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- Chair: Jonathan
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2006Feb/0000.html
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- Topic: Action items
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- ACTION: JacekK to detail (e.g. in a list) what constraints of the component model are not enforced by the WSDL ontology. [IN PROGRESS]
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- ACTION: JacekK to add an example to the RDF Mapping. [PENDING]
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- +GlenD
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- Topic: Administrivia - Schedule
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- Jonathan: I wanted to talk about schedule
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- ... when do we envision a LC WD?
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- Jacek: Bijan, when do you think that we'll have the mapping tables?
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- Bijan: they're pretty close to being ready
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- Jonathan: who's doing that?
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- Bijan: a graduate student at my school
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- Jonathan: we'll need to ack him
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- ... maybe he'll be interested in joining the WG
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- ... so what state will we be in at the end of the month?
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- Jacek: it can be mostly done by the TP
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- ... shortly after the TP, we could aim for LC
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- Jonathan: a detailed review at the TP will be welcome
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- ... and we can go to LC 1 month later
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- Hugo: I wanted to update the WG with rechartering thoughts
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- ... we're going to propose to the AC not to keep the RDF mapping on the Rec track in the end
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- ... the message will go out real soon now
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- Jonathan: but it doesn't change our goal to go to Rec
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- s/Rec/LC/
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- Hugo: that's correct
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- Jonathan: w.r.t. RDF task force, Tony will be chairing the meetings starting next meeting
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- Topic: Issue 283: Review of WSDL 2.0 - RDF Mapping: General comments
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- RRSAgent, make log public
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- [ Feeling in the WG that XSLT isn't the way forward ]
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- Jacek: David would like to see a mapping from XMLspec to the RDF
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- ... I believe that mapping the component model is cleaner
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- Bijan: I agree that we should close with no action
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- Jonathan: XSLT seems like an interesting implementation
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- Jacek: I don't think that the pain is worth it
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- Jonathan: also, the edge cases in XSLT are tricky
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- ... was there more than using XSLT in this issue?
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- Jacek: I think that we can answer David and tell him that no, we will not have a normative XSLT
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- ... but the rest of the issue should be open
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- Bijan: we should add some text saying that the mappings are not designed for validation of the component model
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- RESOLUTION: no to a definitive list of unenforced constraints, and yes to a general statement saying that there may be unenforced constraints with a couple of examples
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- RESOLUTION: no to a normative XSLT
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- s/no to a definitive/Issue 283: no to a definitive/
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- s/no to a normative/Issue 283: no to a normative/
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- ACTION: Jacek to implement resolution for issue 283 (above)
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- RESOLUTION: issue 283 is closed
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- this makes Jacek's first action item unneeded
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- Topic: Issue 284: Review of WSDL 2.0 - RDF Mapping: Comments by Section
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- Jacek: comment about "Section 1. Introduction"
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- ... I agree it would be nice, but I'm not sure where to do it
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- ... I declined to do that
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- ... "Section 3. Differences from the WSDL Component Model"
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- [missed that]
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- ... "Section 3.1 Component naming"
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- ... I think that this issue is against the component designators, not the RDF mapping
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- ... "Appendix A: the owl ontology source"
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- ... this is still open in the context of another issue
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- ... I believe that we can close this issue with the editorial changes made
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- ... the last part is covered by issue 286
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- Jonathan: so do you want to close it now or leave it open?
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- Jacek: I think that it's fine closing it
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- Bijan: I agree that we should close the issue
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- RESOLUTION: issue 284 closed with editorial changes
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- ACTION: Jonathan to close issue 285 in the issues list
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- ACTION: Marsh to change status of 285
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- s/ACTION: Marsh to change status of 285//
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- ACTION- 5
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- Topic: Issue 286: Reusing Part-Whole ontology?
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- Jacek: the annotations WG will come up with an ontology a whole and a part
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- Bijan: I'm not sure that I agree that it's exactly the same
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- ... and I'm a little nervous on taking a dependency here
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- ... I think that it would be better to keep it more closely tied to our spec
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- Jacek: if we keep our ontology, if we want to use their whole-part ontology, then we'll have a problem because it will be overloaded
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- ... from service to interface and from @@@ to @@@
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- Bijan: if they're different, then we should introduce a new relationship
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- Jacek: in any case, we should not use the part-whole ontology just yet
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- Bijan: I agree
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- RESOLUTION: Issue 286 closed; not doing it yet
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- Topic: Issue 287: Modularization of the ontology?
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- Jacek: I haven't had time to look into that yet
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- ... we could separate the bindings into separate modules
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- ... but I'm not sure how many modules would make sense
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- Bijan: I don't think that it's really worth it
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- ... and I don't think that it's appropriate
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- ... trying to split along namespaces doesn't make sense
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- ... if you want to do some separation, I can run it against our analysis tool and see what happens
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- ACTION: Bijan to run the partitioning analysis on ontology
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- Topic: Issue 288: WSDL RDF mapping issue: coordination with SOAP WG
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- Jacek: we need a URI to point to the idea of SOAP MEP
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- ... we asked them to bless our URI, but they declined because of a TAG recommendation
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- ... they promised to give us a URI
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- Jonathan: so we should leave this one open until we get the URI from them then
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/02/02-ws-desc-minutes.html hugo
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- -Amelia_Lewis
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- -Jonathan_Marsh
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- -Paul_Downey
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- -GlenD
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- -Bijan_Parsia
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- -Allen_Brookes
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- -TonyR
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- Jonathan, Tony, the minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2006/02/02-ws-desc-minutes.html
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- RRSAgent, please excuse us
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- I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/02-ws-desc-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: JacekK to detail (e.g. in a list) what constraints of the component model are not enforced by the WSDL ontology. [IN PROGRESS] [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/02-ws-desc-irc#T16-09-57
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- ACTION: JacekK to add an example to the RDF Mapping. [PENDING] [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/02-ws-desc-irc#T16-10-11
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- ACTION: Jacek to implement resolution for issue 283 (above) [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/02-ws-desc-irc#T16-33-16
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- ACTION: Jonathan to close issue 285 in the issues list [4]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/02-ws-desc-irc#T16-40-38
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- ACTION: Bijan to run the partitioning analysis on ontology [6]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/02-ws-desc-irc#T16-51-19
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- Zakim, please excuse us
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Bijan_Parsia, Amelia_Lewis, TonyR, Jonathan_Marsh, JacekK, Allen_Brookes, Hugo, GlenD, Paul_Downey
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