17:56:12 RRSAgent has joined #tagmem 17:56:12 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/01/31-tagmem-irc 17:57:03 TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has now started 17:57:10 +Ed_Rice 17:57:27 Ed has joined #tagmem 17:58:19 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/01/31-agenda.html 17:58:25 Vincent has joined #tagmem 17:58:26 Scribe: Ed 17:58:46 Meeting: 31 January 2006 Tag Teleconference 17:59:07 Chair: Vincent Quint 17:59:43 +Raman 17:59:47 -Ed_Rice 17:59:48 +Ed_Rice 18:00:25 +??P9 18:00:26 raman has joined #tagmem 18:00:35 Zakim, this conference is TAG_Weekly 18:00:35 Ed, this was already TAG_Weekly()12:30PM 18:00:36 ok, Ed; that matches TAG_Weekly()12:30PM 18:01:01 zakim, who is here? 18:01:01 On the phone I see Ed_Rice, Raman, ??P9 18:01:03 On IRC I see raman, Vincent, Ed, RRSAgent, Zakim, Norm, DanC 18:01:05 +Norm 18:01:21 Zakim, ??P9 18:01:21 I don't understand '??P9', Vincent 18:01:23 zakim, ??P9 is Vincent 18:01:23 +Vincent; got it 18:02:14 zakim, who's on the phone? 18:02:14 On the phone I see Ed_Rice, Raman, Vincent, Norm 18:03:26 +DanC 18:03:28 TOPIC: Administrative 18:04:46 (do we need a quorum? I suppose we can't approve the minutes without one) 18:06:53 regrets: Tim, Noah, Henry, Roy 18:07:04 Next Teleconf next week, same time Feb 7 18:07:30 Next week regrets: Norm. 18:07:33 (hmm... hard to get critical mass on xmlFunctions/self-describing web) 18:08:32 Next week scribe: Noah (Dan Backup) 18:08:49 Topic: Approve Minutes of last teleconference 18:09:33 Question of critical mass for approval of last minutes. 18:09:57 looks OK by me. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2006Jan/0019.html 18:10:57 without critical mass, can we make decisions. 18:10:59 (I don't think we need a quorum to withdraw an action) 18:11:22 +DOrchard 18:12:03 with five tag members we can now progress. 18:12:37 TOPIC: Minutes from the last teleconferance 18:13:14 RESOLUTION: Minutes are approved from last teleconferance 18:13:30 TOPIC: xmlFunctions-34 18:13:56 Draft preface to a finding proposed by Norm. 18:14:12 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Jan/0011.html 18:14:15 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Jan/0011.html The self-describing web... 18:15:11 Norm: Did my best to put something together, the response was negative so I was waiting to see what Henry wrote to see if that helped any. 18:15:38 Norm: Henry was going to attempt to do something this month, but he's not on the call. 18:15:57 Vincent: Looks like its difficult to make progress today without Henry. Other thoughts? 18:16:05 . http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Meaning 18:16:10 Dan: Mark Baker had some non-negative feedback 18:17:20 Dan: I think we have a silent majority 18:17:46 Norm: Yes, but nobody chimed in. I was hoping that Tim or someone else would jump in and help defend it. 18:18:07 Norm: I'm sort of in the middle of the road. So I was hoping I would be convinced as well. 18:22:29 Norm: My own position is in the middle: I want it to be the case that I can publish a document and have people use them, on the other hand I want to have the flexibility to use a document in a completely differant way than the author intended 18:22:51 Dan; Yes, I agree. But you cannot hold the author accountable for the results if you use the document in a way not intended by the author. 18:24:32 Dan: The trick is to start with a world where everyone agrees with a certain amount of things. 18:25:02 Dan: So the introduction of new items would be simple by writting a web page which points to that document. 18:25:51 Dan: so this is going to take a lot of explanation to set that basis. 18:27:19 Norm: The trick will be idenfitication of the functional components of the document/languages. 18:28:17 Vincent: I suggest we have a second round of discussion with Henry and Tim next week. 18:28:50 Norm: I'll be back in two weeks, and if there is significant discussios next week I'll save some time to take a stab at drafting some sort of finding. 18:29:11 Norm: If we dont make progress, we can the following week when we're all on the phone. 18:29:35 Vincent: We probably shouldnt go much further with so many people missing. 18:30:05 TOPIC: Update on some issues 18:30:46 Vincent: I wanted to review quickly a few issues which have not been discussed recently and I wanted to try and decide what to do with these issues as well as the pending actions on these issues. 18:30:56 Topic: DerivedResources-43 18:31:34 Vincent: Last discussion in Edinburgh. The discussion was not really inclusive and so my goal today to check to see if there is anything new. 18:31:54 dorchard has joined #tagmem 18:32:26 Norm: The last time we discussed it we decided we could not decide what the need really was. Since our test case is no longer value, so I wrote to Dave to ask him what it was about. 18:32:36 Dave: I say we should probably just drop this. 18:32:54 Dan: You mean leave it on the issues list 18:33:07 Ed: If we dont know what the issue is.. should we leave it on the list. 18:33:12 (why leave it on? because making it go away costs, too, as we saw last week.) 18:33:51 Dan: I prefer to call Norms action as done and keep it on the list for now. 18:34:37 it=DerivedResources-43 18:34:42 Dan: Norms action is done. 18:34:54 Vincent: Yes, the issue is still open, but the actions are all closed. 18:35:12 ACTION: Vincent to update the issues list 18:35:24 Topic: mediaTypeManagement-45 18:35:25 (I don't think it's worth tracking "update issues list" as an action) 18:35:54 Very old action from CL to draft a finding on this issue. 18:36:16 Vincent: I can check with him, just to clean up the action list. 18:37:39 (reviewing the history of mediaTypeManagement-45, I find myself saying "mime type versioning is hairy". ) 18:39:08 Topic: xml11Names-46 18:39:15 Last discussed Oct 2005 18:39:39 Vincent: The ball is in the XML CG working group. 18:39:52 Norm: I think I have the action on this, I'll address this in a couple of weeks. 18:40:08 Vincent: Yes, and last time you mentioned the xml schema working group. 18:40:23 Norm: Yes, you may want to bring this up with Henry next week. They may be discussing this now. 18:40:39 Vincent: We'll check with them next week. 18:41:23 TOPIC: standardizedFieldValues-52 18:41:45 no progress since the announcement of the issue 18:42:13 Vincent: It was announced in May, 2005 (bug in the issues list recording it as 2004) 18:42:51 Vincent: It was announced six months ago. One open action assigned to Dan. 18:43:11 Dan: My action was to say whats going on in microformats 18:43:35 Dan: this is again, how do you introduce new things into the web. 18:43:56 Dan: I registered a mediatype under my own name, with a media type p9 18:44:22 Dan: Once registered it allows you to create your own type just by creating a web page. 18:44:28 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Jan/0081.html registering formats in the web [uriMediaType-9] [Fwd: Request for MIME media type Application/Personal Tree - prs.] 18:44:49 Dan: I'm asking to withdrawl my action. 18:46:29 RESOLUTION: Dan's action is withdrawn action item 18:46:54 Vincent: other items? 18:47:56 Zakim, list participants 18:48:01 DanC has changed the topic to: TAG meets 7 Feb 18:48:14 RRSAgent, make logs public 18:48:25 RRSAgent, generate minutes 18:48:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/01/31-tagmem-minutes.html Ed 18:54:29 raman has left #tagmem