IRC log of tagmem on 2006-01-31
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/01/31-tagmem-irc
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- TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has now started
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- Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/01/31-agenda.html
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- Scribe: Ed
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- Meeting: 31 January 2006 Tag Teleconference
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- Chair: Vincent Quint
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- +Raman
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- -Ed_Rice
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- +??P9
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- Zakim, this conference is TAG_Weekly
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- Ed, this was already TAG_Weekly()12:30PM
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- ok, Ed; that matches TAG_Weekly()12:30PM
- 18:01:01 [raman]
- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see Ed_Rice, Raman, ??P9
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- On IRC I see raman, Vincent, Ed, RRSAgent, Zakim, Norm, DanC
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- +Norm
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- Zakim, ??P9
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- I don't understand '??P9', Vincent
- 18:01:23 [Norm]
- zakim, ??P9 is Vincent
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- +Vincent; got it
- 18:02:14 [Norm]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Ed_Rice, Raman, Vincent, Norm
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- +DanC
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- TOPIC: Administrative
- 18:04:46 [DanC]
- (do we need a quorum? I suppose we can't approve the minutes without one)
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- regrets: Tim, Noah, Henry, Roy
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- Next Teleconf next week, same time Feb 7
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- Next week regrets: Norm.
- 18:07:33 [DanC]
- (hmm... hard to get critical mass on xmlFunctions/self-describing web)
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- Next week scribe: Noah (Dan Backup)
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- Topic: Approve Minutes of last teleconference
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- Question of critical mass for approval of last minutes.
- 18:09:57 [DanC]
- looks OK by me. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2006Jan/0019.html
- 18:10:57 [Ed]
- without critical mass, can we make decisions.
- 18:10:59 [DanC]
- (I don't think we need a quorum to withdraw an action)
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- +DOrchard
- 18:12:03 [Ed]
- with five tag members we can now progress.
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- TOPIC: Minutes from the last teleconferance
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- RESOLUTION: Minutes are approved from last teleconferance
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- TOPIC: xmlFunctions-34
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- Draft preface to a finding proposed by Norm.
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Jan/0011.html
- 18:14:15 [DanC]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Jan/0011.html The self-describing web...
- 18:15:11 [Ed]
- Norm: Did my best to put something together, the response was negative so I was waiting to see what Henry wrote to see if that helped any.
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- Norm: Henry was going to attempt to do something this month, but he's not on the call.
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- Vincent: Looks like its difficult to make progress today without Henry. Other thoughts?
- 18:16:05 [DanC]
- . http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Meaning
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- Dan: Mark Baker had some non-negative feedback
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- Dan: I think we have a silent majority
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- Norm: Yes, but nobody chimed in. I was hoping that Tim or someone else would jump in and help defend it.
- 18:18:07 [Ed]
- Norm: I'm sort of in the middle of the road. So I was hoping I would be convinced as well.
- 18:22:29 [Ed]
- Norm: My own position is in the middle: I want it to be the case that I can publish a document and have people use them, on the other hand I want to have the flexibility to use a document in a completely differant way than the author intended
- 18:22:51 [Ed]
- Dan; Yes, I agree. But you cannot hold the author accountable for the results if you use the document in a way not intended by the author.
- 18:24:32 [Ed]
- Dan: The trick is to start with a world where everyone agrees with a certain amount of things.
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- Dan: So the introduction of new items would be simple by writting a web page which points to that document.
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- Dan: so this is going to take a lot of explanation to set that basis.
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- Norm: The trick will be idenfitication of the functional components of the document/languages.
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- Vincent: I suggest we have a second round of discussion with Henry and Tim next week.
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- Norm: I'll be back in two weeks, and if there is significant discussios next week I'll save some time to take a stab at drafting some sort of finding.
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- Norm: If we dont make progress, we can the following week when we're all on the phone.
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- Vincent: We probably shouldnt go much further with so many people missing.
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- TOPIC: Update on some issues
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- Vincent: I wanted to review quickly a few issues which have not been discussed recently and I wanted to try and decide what to do with these issues as well as the pending actions on these issues.
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- Topic: DerivedResources-43
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- Vincent: Last discussion in Edinburgh. The discussion was not really inclusive and so my goal today to check to see if there is anything new.
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- Norm: The last time we discussed it we decided we could not decide what the need really was. Since our test case is no longer value, so I wrote to Dave to ask him what it was about.
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- Dave: I say we should probably just drop this.
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- Dan: You mean leave it on the issues list
- 18:33:07 [Ed]
- Ed: If we dont know what the issue is.. should we leave it on the list.
- 18:33:12 [DanC]
- (why leave it on? because making it go away costs, too, as we saw last week.)
- 18:33:51 [Ed]
- Dan: I prefer to call Norms action as done and keep it on the list for now.
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- it=DerivedResources-43
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- Dan: Norms action is done.
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- Vincent: Yes, the issue is still open, but the actions are all closed.
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- ACTION: Vincent to update the issues list
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- Topic: mediaTypeManagement-45
- 18:35:25 [DanC]
- (I don't think it's worth tracking "update issues list" as an action)
- 18:35:54 [Ed]
- Very old action from CL to draft a finding on this issue.
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- Vincent: I can check with him, just to clean up the action list.
- 18:37:39 [DanC]
- (reviewing the history of mediaTypeManagement-45, I find myself saying "mime type versioning is hairy". )
- 18:39:08 [Ed]
- Topic: xml11Names-46
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- Last discussed Oct 2005
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- Vincent: The ball is in the XML CG working group.
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- Norm: I think I have the action on this, I'll address this in a couple of weeks.
- 18:40:08 [Ed]
- Vincent: Yes, and last time you mentioned the xml schema working group.
- 18:40:23 [Ed]
- Norm: Yes, you may want to bring this up with Henry next week. They may be discussing this now.
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- Vincent: We'll check with them next week.
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- TOPIC: standardizedFieldValues-52
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- no progress since the announcement of the issue
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- Vincent: It was announced in May, 2005 (bug in the issues list recording it as 2004)
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- Vincent: It was announced six months ago. One open action assigned to Dan.
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- Dan: My action was to say whats going on in microformats
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- Dan: this is again, how do you introduce new things into the web.
- 18:43:56 [Ed]
- Dan: I registered a mediatype under my own name, with a media type p9
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- Dan: Once registered it allows you to create your own type just by creating a web page.
- 18:44:28 [DanC]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Jan/0081.html registering formats in the web [uriMediaType-9] [Fwd: Request for MIME media type Application/Personal Tree - prs.]
- 18:44:49 [Ed]
- Dan: I'm asking to withdrawl my action.
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- RESOLUTION: Dan's action is withdrawn action item
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- Vincent: other items?
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- Zakim, list participants
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- DanC has changed the topic to: TAG meets 7 Feb
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- RRSAgent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/01/31-tagmem-minutes.html Ed
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