IRC log of wai-wcag on 2006-01-26
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/01/26-wai-wcag-irc
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JanMar/0152.html
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- Meeting: WCAG Weekly Teleconference
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- chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden and John_Slatin
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- agenda+ General Issues (741, 1558, 1576 and 1757)
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- agenda+ Issue 206 (from batch 1 survey)
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- agenda+ 26 January Open issues and techniques for Guideline 1.2
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- agenda+ Techniques for SC 1.3.1:
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- agenda+ 26 January Open issues and techniques for Guideline 2.3
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- agenda+ 26 January Open issues and techniques for Guideline 1.4
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- agenda+ 26 January Open issues and techniques for Guideline 1.1
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- RRSagent, do not create a new log at midnight
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'do not create a new log at midnight', ben. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- RRSAgent, do not start a new log
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- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
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- +David_MacDonald
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- +Judy
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- Zakim, [IP is LucaMascaro
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- +LucaMascaro; got it
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- +John_Slatin
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- zakim who is on the phone?
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see David_MacDonald, ??P1, Judy, LucaMascaro, ??P4, John_Slatin
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- +Michael_Cooper
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- zakim, ??P4 is Gregg_and_Ben
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- +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
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- +Becky_Gibson
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- +Tim_Boland
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- +Alex_Li
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- +??P12
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- zakim, ??P12 is Yvette_Hoitink
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- +Yvette_Hoitink; got it
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- zakim, ??P1 is Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- +Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
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- +Sofia_Celic
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- +??P17
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- +??P18
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- zakim, ??P17 is Cynthia_Shelley
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- +Cynthia_Shelley; got it
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- zakim, ??P18 is Christophe_Strobbe
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- +Christophe_Strobbe; got it
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- zakim, I am Becky_Gibson
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- ok, Becky, I now associate you with Becky_Gibson
- 21:03:45 [ben]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "General Issues (741, 1558, 1576 and 1757)" taken up [from ben]
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- +Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Judy, LucaMascaro, Gregg_and_Ben, John_Slatin, Michael_Cooper, Becky_Gibson, Tim_Boland, Alex_Li, Loretta_Guarino_Reid,
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- ... Yvette_Hoitink, Sofia_Celic, Cynthia_Shelley, Christophe_Strobbe, Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- scribe: Michael
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- +[IPcaller]
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- scribe: Michael
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- Zakim, [IP is rellero
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- +rellero; got it
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- RRSagent, make log world
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- zakim, mute me
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- rellero should now be muted
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- Regrets: Sorcha_Moore, Sebastiano_Nutarelli, Roberto_Castaldo
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "General Issues (741, 1558, 1576 and 1757)" taken up [from ben]
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- +??P6
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- zakim, ??P6 is Bengt_Farre
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- +Bengt_Farre; got it
- 21:05:53 [ben]
- survey results: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051220generalissues/results
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- RRSAgent, pointer?
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- See http://www.w3.org/2006/01/26-wai-wcag-irc#T21-06-18
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- 741
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- RRSAgent, make log world
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- topic: Issue 741
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- ack cyn
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- q+ to note that logic puzzles are accessible to people who are deafblind
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- ack j
- 21:13:54 [Zakim]
- judy, you wanted to note that logic puzzles are accessible to people who are deafblind
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- q+
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- ack y
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- ack j
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- q+
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- ack c
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- ack j
- 21:23:49 [gregg]
- Proposed: Add a new situation to How to Meet 1.1.3.
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- Situation C: If providing text alternatives that serve the same purpose as the functional non-text content would invalidate the purpose of the functional non-text content, the following would be sufficient:
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- * Providing a text alternative that identifies the purpose of thefunctional non-text content
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- AND
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- * providing an alternative to the function of the non-text content
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- Include references cited in this issue under related resources for How to meet 1.1.3.
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- Summary
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- Systems team working on site fix at the moment, no reply yet on when will be ready
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- ack a
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- q+
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- +Kerstin_Goldsmith
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- q+ to say "Alternative version: call someone to read our website to you"
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- ack john
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- ack c
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- ack j
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- ack y
- 21:30:38 [Zakim]
- Yvette, you wanted to say "Alternative version: call someone to read our website to you"
- 21:33:24 [Michael]
- discussion leaning toward putting captcha under 4.2.1, but need to explore further (could bounce back to 1.1)
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- action: Cynthia, Kerstin, Judy explore captcha further
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- action 1 = Cynthia, Kerstin, Judy explore captcha further - due Feb 2
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- topic: Issue 1558
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- ack c
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- ack j
- 21:42:49 [Yvette]
- zakim, mute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
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- ack c
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- ack j
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- resolution: accept wording for Principle 4 "Content should be robust enough to work with current and future user agents (including assistive technologies)"
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- topic: Issue 1576
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- ack k
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- zakim, unmute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
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- zakim, mute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
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- resolution: close issue 1576 with comment "This is an internationalization issue, not faced only by people with disabilities, therefore not an accessibility issue."
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "Issue 206 (from batch 1 survey)" taken up [from ben]
- 21:57:30 [Christophe]
- zakim, mute me
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- Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
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- q+
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- zakim, unmute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
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- ack y
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- zakim, mute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
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- zakim, unmute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
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- q+
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- zakim, mute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
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- q+
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- q?
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- ack m
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- resolution: optional technique to mark every occurrence moved, is now sufficient (definately)
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- ack j
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- ack d
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- resolution: close issue 206. The SC itself does not use the language about first occurrence, and we have techniques showing that first occurrence and all occurrences are both sufficient. First occurrence in a URI is the existing definition of first occurrence.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3. "26 January Open issues and techniques for Guideline 1.2" taken up [from ben]
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- -LucaMascaro
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- zakim, unmute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
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- unanimous consent items -
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- 1627, 1841, "Proposed revisions to intent for 1.2.2", "Including a sign language interpreter in the corner of the video stream," "Providing a synchronized video of the sign language interpreter that can be displayed in a different viewport or overlaid on the image by the player," "Creating an extended audio description for the multimedia content," "Adding extended audio descriptions in SMIL 1.0," "Adding extended audio descriptions in SMIL 2.0," "HTML technique
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- zakim, who's making noise?
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- judy, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gregg_and_Ben (48%), John_Slatin (3%), Cynthia_Shelley (32%), Kerstin_Goldsmith (8%)
- 22:15:35 [Michael]
- resolution: accept proposed actions for all surveyed items for which survey responses were unanimous, or unanimous except for editorial comments
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- including: 1627, 1841, "Proposed revisions to intent for 1.2.2", "Including a sign language interpreter in the corner of the video stream," "Providing a synchronized video of the sign language interpreter that can be displayed in a different viewport or overlaid on the image by the player," "Creating an extended audio description for the multimedia content," "Adding extended audio descriptions in
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- SMIL 1.0," "Adding extended audio descriptions in SMIL 2.0," "HTML technique
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- topic: Issue 1152
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- ack c
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- resolution: close 1152 with comment "WCAG believes that pre-recorded mulitmedia should have descriptions. Policy makers are repsonsible for providing exceptions for certain types of media."
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- scribe: ben
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- Topic: Issue 1862
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- Q+
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- ack gregg
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- -rellero
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- resolution: Close 1862 with the proposed comment, adding a note about time-syncronization of tactile with audio/video
- 22:25:35 [Yvette]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink was not muted, Yvette
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- Topic: Providing closed captions
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- ack John
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- zakim, mute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
- 22:30:52 [ben]
- resolution, accept proposed techniqe, "Providing closed captions" with comments from survey
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- action: John to include links to resources for "Providing closed captions"
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- Topic: Creating real-time captions
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- ack Alex
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- ack Loretta
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- q+
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- ack Andi
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- resolution: accept proposed technique, "Creating real-time captions," revising test section to say, "a procedure and policy are in place to ensure that captions are delivered in real-time"
- 22:38:49 [ben]
- resolution, accept technique titled, "Providing open captions that are embedded directly in the video stream" and include editorial comments from survey.
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- Topic: 06Providing a sound track that includes audio description01
- 22:40:35 [Yvette]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
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- q+ to say "John not registered"
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- -Tim_Boland
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- 22:45:26 [Yvette]
- q?
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- q-
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- no resolution
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- action: john and gregg to work on issues with description section of "Providing a sound track that includes audio description"
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- Topic: Failure due to captions not meeting the definition of a caption
- 22:47:23 [rellero]
- bye I have to leave now
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- zakim, mute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
- 22:51:16 [ben]
- action: Loretta to work on alternative title for, "Failure due to captions not meeting the definition of a caption"
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- resolution, accept technique, "Failure due to captions not meeting the definition of a caption" and include editorial comments in survey
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- a j
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- ack j
- 22:54:33 [judy]
- W3C servers are back now (in time for end of call...)
- 22:54:47 [ben]
- resolution: accept technique, "Providing a synchronized video of the sign language interpreter that can be displayed in a different viewport or overlaid on the image by the player" with survey comments
- 22:55:08 [ben]
- Topic: Creating an extended audio description for the multimedia content
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- Topic: Captions/Audio Descriptions + Transcripts, levels, etc...
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- zakim, unmute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
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- -Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- q+
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- zakim, mute me
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- David_MacDonald should now be muted
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- -Michael_Cooper
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- zakim, mute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
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- q+
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- q+
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- ack j
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- q+
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- ack gregg
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- zakim, unmute me
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- Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
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- q?
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- ack Yvette
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- -Yvette_Hoitink
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- zakim, unmute me
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- David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
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- -Alex_Li
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- zakim, unmute me
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- Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
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- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- zalim, mute me
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- zakim, mute me
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- David_MacDonald should now be muted
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- agenda?
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- zakim, close agendum 3
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- agendum 3, 26 January Open issues and techniques for Guideline 1.2, closed
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- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 4. Techniques for SC 1.3.1: [from ben]
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- zakim, close agendum 4
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- agendum 4, Techniques for SC 1.3.1:, closed
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- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 5. 26 January Open issues and techniques for Guideline 2.3 [from ben]
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- zakim, close agendum 5
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- agendum 5, 26 January Open issues and techniques for Guideline 2.3, closed
- 23:23:03 [Zakim]
- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 6. 26 January Open issues and techniques for Guideline 1.4 [from ben]
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- zakim, close agendum 6
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- agendum 6, 26 January Open issues and techniques for Guideline 1.4, closed
- 23:23:07 [Zakim]
- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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- 7. 26 January Open issues and techniques for Guideline 1.1 [from ben]
- 23:23:13 [ben]
- zakim, close agendum 7
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- agendum 7, 26 January Open issues and techniques for Guideline 1.1, closed
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- I see nothing remaining on the agenda
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- -Judy
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- -Cynthia_Shelley
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- -Sofia_Celic
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- -Bengt_Farre
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- -David_MacDonald
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- -Gregg_and_Ben
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- -Becky_Gibson
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- -Kerstin_Goldsmith
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- -John_Slatin
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- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were David_MacDonald, Judy, [IPcaller], LucaMascaro, John_Slatin, Michael_Cooper, Gregg_and_Ben, Becky_Gibson, Tim_Boland, Alex_Li, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Yvette_Hoitink,
- 23:28:10 [Zakim]
- ... Katie_Haritos-Shea, Sofia_Celic, Cynthia_Shelley, Christophe_Strobbe, Andi_Snow_Weaver, rellero, Bengt_Farre, Kerstin_Goldsmith
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- zakim, bye
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