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15:58:03 <jrvosse> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0127.html
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16:01:06 <jrvosse> zakim, who is there
16:01:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is there', jrvosse
16:01:21 <jrvosse> zakim, who 
16:01:23 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who', jrvosse
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16:01:43 <JeffP> Hi 
16:01:52 <raphael> hi JeffP
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16:02:26 <jrvosse> zakim, what conference is this?
16:02:26 <Zakim> no conference has been selected, jrvosse
16:02:36 <jrvosse> zakim, this is mmtf
16:02:36 <Zakim> ok, jrvosse; that matches SW_(MM TF)11:00AM
16:02:38 <raphael> hi giorgos
16:02:53 <jrvosse> zakim, who is here
16:02:53 <Zakim> jrvosse, you need to end that query with '?'
16:02:53 <giorgos> hi I'm calling now
16:02:57 <jrvosse> zakim, who is here?
16:02:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P22, [CWI], ??P40
16:03:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see giorgos, JeffP, raphael, RRSAgent, Zakim, jrvosse, chalaschek
16:03:27 <Zakim> +Giorgos_Stamou
16:03:28 <jrvosse> zakim, ??p22 is me
16:03:28 <Zakim> +jrvosse; got it
16:03:30 <giorgos> who is on the phone?
16:03:44 <JeffP> zakim, ??P40 is me
16:03:44 <Zakim> +JeffP; got it
16:03:47 <jrvosse> zakim, [CWI] is Raphael
16:03:47 <Zakim> +Raphael; got it
16:03:53 <jrvosse> zakim, who is here?
16:03:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see jrvosse, Raphael, JeffP, Giorgos_Stamou
16:03:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see giorgos, JeffP, raphael, RRSAgent, Zakim, jrvosse, chalaschek
16:04:36 <Zakim> +Vassilis
16:04:41 <jrvosse> Chair: Giorgos_Stamou
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16:04:58 <jrvosse> Scribe: jrvosse
16:05:16 <jrvosse> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0127.html
16:05:36 <jrvosse> minutes are accepted
16:06:06 <jrvosse> next meeting is Feb 8 is 1pm UTC
16:06:48 <jrvosse> agenda amendments: giorgos: I'd like to spend more time on the XG
16:06:53 <jrvosse> Agreed
16:07:04 <jrvosse> Topic: 1st deliverable
16:07:17 <jrvosse> ACTION 1: done
16:08:09 <jrvosse> action: jacco to forward comments from chris catton to swbpd
16:08:42 <jrvosse> action: raphael to finish mike's comments: continued
16:09:14 <jrvosse> Giorgos: I've a problem with mike's comment on unification of the various contributions
16:09:58 <jrvosse> Action: Raphael: I can give it another editorial process, and send it to you on Wednesday
16:10:51 <jrvosse> Vassilis: the use cases need to be more aligned in the structure,
16:10:57 <jrvosse> We could adapt the same structure as jacco's eculture use case
16:11:13 <jrvosse> like an intro/main/conclusion section
16:11:33 <jrvosse> Accepted
16:12:29 <jrvosse> ACTION: Raphael, Vassilis, Chris: add intro/main part/conclusion structure. Deadline this monday.
16:12:59 <jrvosse> Action: jeff & vassilis to work on the 1st deliverable: continued
16:13:31 <jrvosse> action: vassilis send paola the draft when we go public
16:13:50 <chalaschek> hi guys...my participation will be minimal...sitting in class right now :)
16:16:33 <jrvosse> action item: Jacco send proposal Wed Feb 1 to go public
16:18:05 <jrvosse> Jacco: we can keep a link to the editor's draft but we can only update the public draft after a new WG vote
16:18:29 <jrvosse> Raphael: make sure everyone fills in a change field in the cvs commit
16:18:49 <jrvosse> topic: 2nd deliverable
16:19:13 <jrvosse> Raphael: Chris has summarized his EXIF work and send it to the list
16:19:36 <jrvosse> Mike Ushold's comment applies to all work done: we need to identify the use case and services
16:20:00 <jrvosse> Action: Chris to continue EXIF work in direction suggested by Mike Ushold
16:20:31 <jrvosse> action by Giorgos w.r.t. the mpeg-7 VDO done, sent to the list
16:20:56 <jrvosse> action: Raphael send comments to list
16:21:19 <jrvosse> action: Giorgos send design document of the VDO to the list
16:22:11 <jrvosse> action: Giorgos to add alignement stuff: continued by other Georgos
16:22:50 <jrvosse> action: Vassilis to put the list of standards in the second section
16:23:14 <jrvosse> Giorgos will try all of this before the next teleconf
16:23:44 <giorgos> Stoilos
16:24:00 <jrvosse> s/Georgos/Georgos Stoilos
16:24:34 <jrvosse>  Georgos Stoilos will attend the next teleconf
16:24:50 <jrvosse> Action: mail Gavin continued
16:25:07 <jrvosse> action: jacco to work on the VRA stuff continued
16:25:30 <jrvosse> action: Jeff to send mail to DFKI, done
16:25:39 <giorgos> s/Georgos Stoilos/Giorgos Stoilos
16:26:21 <jrvosse> action: Jeff contact DFKI about the XG
16:27:24 <jrvosse> status action by ntua to fill the various action promised in Galway?
16:28:08 <jrvosse> Giorgos: we have filled in the place holders for the schedule, not done the actual work
16:28:13 <jrvosse> So the action is done
16:28:58 <jrvosse> List of standards from Vassilis
16:29:32 <jrvosse> After we decided about what standards I can put them in the right format
16:30:23 <jrvosse> I suggest we keep the relevant standards in the list and explain for each we didn't consider why
16:31:17 <jrvosse> action: ALL read Vassilis document and select the standards NOT te be included
16:32:19 <jrvosse> Raphael: TVanytime is not image specific
16:32:43 <jrvosse> Vassilis: FOAF and SKOS are in red because they are not multimedia standards
16:33:43 <jrvosse> Vassilis: so vote and explain briefly why not to include these standard
16:33:56 <jrvosse> so than I can work on this
16:34:31 <jrvosse> Deadline: before the next teleconf
16:34:50 <jrvosse> Vassilis: if you want to add something, feel free
16:34:59 <jrvosse> action: Raphael add XMP
16:35:15 <jrvosse> Topic: Multimedia ontology requirements
16:35:32 <jrvosse> Giorgos: we might get another extension
16:36:02 <jrvosse> Raphael: I have some ideas, I can take these from previous publication
16:36:38 <jrvosse> It will be an archiving point of view, while NTUA will have more an analysis point of view
16:36:53 <jrvosse> The size of the documents is not important
16:37:16 <jrvosse> A list of bullits will not be enough
16:38:15 <jrvosse> But a bulleted list with short descriptions will be sufficient
16:39:28 <jrvosse> Giorgos: we need to do some more research as is planned in k-space
16:46:35 <jrvosse> action: giorgos to ask for an deadline extnesion
16:46:54 <jrvosse> action: jacco to send first list of requirements
16:47:10 <jrvosse> topic: Possible Multimedia XG
16:47:26 <raphael> The minutes of the XG meeting are in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/25-mmxg-minutes.html
16:48:03 <jrvosse> Giorgos: the policy of invited experts is less strict than for WGs, even if the formal language is the same on the w3c site
16:48:18 <jrvosse> So I think we should go on
16:49:00 <jrvosse> Proposal: MMTF intends to contintue as an XG after the end of the WG
16:49:04 <jrvosse> Accpeted
16:49:32 <jrvosse> Giorgos: should we go with the current 4 partners or extend the number of participant
16:49:49 <jrvosse> Raphael: We should extend, but carefully
16:50:01 <jrvosse> Jeff: also from industry
16:51:10 <jrvosse> action: Giorgos send mail to Paola and Yannis to point them to the XG minutes and ask them to help us with the proposal
16:55:09 <jrvosse> We are talking with Doug Williams from BT
16:55:33 <jrvosse> Vassilis: K-Space may also participate in W3C and the XG
16:56:31 <jrvosse> Jacco: and Chris Catton from Oxford also expressed interest
16:57:02 <jrvosse> action: Giorgos to write paragraphs about goal and scope before next teleconf
16:57:57 <jrvosse> action: all to find and contact possible participants for the XG
16:59:00 <jrvosse> Giorgos: suggest to use Multimedia Semantics XG as a working name
16:59:07 <jrvosse> accepted
16:59:22 <jrvosse> Topic: AOB
16:59:25 <jrvosse> none
16:59:51 <Zakim> -Raphael
16:59:53 <Zakim> -JeffP
16:59:55 <Zakim> -jrvosse
17:00:04 <jrvosse> rrsagent, make logs public
17:00:06 <giorgos> thanks Jacco
17:00:14 <jrvosse> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:00:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/01/26-MMTF-minutes.html jrvosse
17:00:30 <Zakim> -Giorgos_Stamou
17:01:21 <Zakim> -Vassilis
17:01:23 <Zakim> SW_(MM TF)11:00AM has ended
17:01:24 <Zakim> Attendees were Giorgos_Stamou, jrvosse, JeffP, Raphael, Vassilis
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