19:01:14 RRSAgent has joined #ua 19:01:14 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/01/19-ua-irc 19:01:48 Zakim, this will be UAWG 19:01:48 ok, JR, I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM already started 19:04:17 +[IBM] 19:04:21 Agenda +Review the following last call documents: Compound Document by Reference Framework 1.0, Web Integration Compound Document (WICD) Core 1.0, WICD Full 1.0 19:05:20 cklaws has joined #ua 19:06:19 cklaws has joined #ua 19:07:15 Meeting: WAI UAWG 19:07:25 Scribe: JR 19:09:06 +Jim_Allan 19:09:14 Chair: Jim_Allan 19:09:48 jallan has joined #ua 19:09:58 Regrets: David P. 19:10:14 Zakim, take up agendum 1 19:10:14 agendum 1. "Review the following last call documents: Compound Document by Reference Framework 1.0, Web Integration Compound Document (WICD) Core 1.0, WICD Full 1.0" taken up [from 19:10:18 ... JR] 19:10:45 CL: Discussed with Rich 19:11:08 CL: How do you maintain UI consistency with different embedded objects... 19:11:42 CL: plus if its seamless user might not realize they are in a differnt type. 19:12:02 JA: SVG viewer experience, viewer couldn't be scaled 19:12:24 JA: Even though what's in the view can be expanded. 19:13:56 JA: Assume everyhting will generate DOM nodes? 19:14:05 CL: Is it one DOM or multiple? 19:14:45 CL: So far concentrated on keyboard issues. 19:15:21 CL: Also talked with Rich about how to expose info in SVG and MathML. 19:16:59 JR: The dream seems to be one harmonized experience 19:17:19 cl: how is keyboard interaction harmonized between different tools 19:17:30 CL: But in my experience each part is made by someone different, so harmonization is difficult.. 19:18:06 accesskey conflict, are a problem. 19:18:28 User agent or AT must negotiate keybindings 19:19:22 CL: Early cases of Flash+HTML showed problems. 19:20:50 JR: These docs seemed to assume very strong UA support or highly harmonized UA+plugins 19:21:40 JA: UA guidelines assumed one UA (or very tightled harmonized) 19:23:27 CL: Another issue...voiceXML...related to interaction between voiceXML author's expectations and AT running on top. 19:24:17 JA: Also WebAPI group looking at conflicting API's. "Web-API" working group 19:24:29 CL: Considering accessibility API's? 19:24:35 JA: Prob. not. 19:25:00 CL: DO group used to look at things at lower level. 19:27:33 DOm issues: all document types have different DOM. In unix world us using the accessibility api to harmonize doms 19:27:46 through ATK and ATSPI 19:28:37 there is a bridge that bridges these 2 apis together to share information. 19:28:37 JR has joined #ua 19:28:45 I'm back. 19:29:10 Linux world is working on building this harmonization. 19:30:09 JR: comments on these docs can be sent back as just a list of comments 19:30:49 JA: Which are our (UA) probs, which are "their" probs. 19:31:29 JA: e.g. security... 19:32:14 JR: Is there an accessibility angle to that? 19:34:53 JA: In reference framework, 2.3 Link Activation, behaviour of nested hyperlinks... 19:35:16 JA: in an SVG there could be links nested inside each other. 19:35:32 JA: What's the keyboard nav for that scenario? 19:36:26 CL: It's a bit like a map... 19:39:07 CL: There's a default link, but how do you get ot the others? 19:40:47 JR: I also think 6.3.1 Two Dimensional Focus Navigation (Flat, Graphical, Joystick) is an important area to look at 19:42:41 Action CL: Will ask Aaron to look through this from Firefox perspecitve 19:44:58 action JA: Will come up with a list of issues for discussion on list. 19:48:06 JR: Interactivity should be common throughout (ui of all containers should be the same) 19:48:36 JA: Object element in HTML is an example of uneven interactivity. 19:50:43 CL: root problem is the API's. 19:51:37 CL: Maybe one day W3C stuff will harmonize but external formats always a problem. 19:52:50 JR: Browsers are building in more native support... 19:53:26 CL: Still long way to go. But then again maybe SVG will be as full-featured as Flash someday. 19:53:30 cl: java embedded within an html page, with accessibility API, then need Java Access bridge to share information. too many layers. 19:54:02 Zakim, close agendum 1 19:54:02 agendum 1, Review the following last call documents: Compound Document by Reference Framework 1.0, Web Integration Compound Document (WICD) Core 1.0, WICD Full 1.0, closed 19:54:05 I see nothing remaining on the agenda 19:55:20 -[IBM] 19:55:40 RRSAgent, make minutes 19:55:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/01/19-ua-minutes.html JR 19:56:59 RRSAgent, set logs world-visible 19:57:47 http://www.w3.org/2006/01/19-ua-minutes.html 19:59:29 -Jan_Richards 19:59:30 -Jim_Allan 19:59:31 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended 19:59:32 Attendees were Jan_Richards, [IBM], Jim_Allan 20:00:12 rrsagent, make logs world-visible 20:57:46 rrsagent, bye 20:57:46 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/19-ua-actions.rdf : 20:57:46 ACTION: CL to Will ask Aaron to look through this from Firefox perspecitve [1] 20:57:46 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/19-ua-irc#T19-42-41 20:57:46 ACTION: JA to Will come up with a list of issues for discussion on list. 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