IRC log of er on 2006-01-18

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14:48:17 [shadi]
zakim, this will be ert
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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
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meeting: ERT WG
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chair: Shadi
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regrets: Nick
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agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema - open issues
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agenda+ HTTP Request/Response
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agenda+ Reminder: open action items
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agenda+ Reminder: face-to-face meeting
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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
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15:00:43 [shadi]
zakim, ipcaller is really Chris
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+Chris; got it
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zakim, scribe is Chris
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sorry, ChrisR, I do not recognize a party named 'scribe'
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zakim, carlos has Carlos, Johannes
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+Carlos, Johannes; got it
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scribe: Chris
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scribenick: ChrisR
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zakim, agenda item 2
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I don't understand 'agenda item 2', ChrisR
15:02:54 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "HTTP Request/Response" taken up [from shadi]
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15:04:11 [ChrisR]
saz: background info on HTTP request/response notes
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saz: recalls that these were to be published as working notes
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saz: anything missing?
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15:05:56 [shadi]
zakim, nacho CarlosI
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I don't understand 'nacho CarlosI', shadi
15:06:11 [shadi]
zakim, nacho is really CarlosI
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+CarlosI; got it
15:06:25 [ChrisR]
JK: cookies issue
15:07:00 [ChrisR]
JK: seems to be no other issues - send spec to list
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JK: will be able to edit as working group note. Carlos will help.
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SAZ: any objections as publish as note?
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resolution: HTTP request/response spec to be published as working group note.
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resoultion: JK will edit
15:09:29 [ChrisR]
saz: cookies - publish as note in spec. Will discuss later. JK will send message to list to discuss.
15:10:05 [ChrisR]
JK: namespace issue still unresolved?
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saz: do we want a temp namespace? (for now then switch to formal)
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15:11:47 [ChrisR]
discussion of namespace, temp namespace was helpful in short term
15:12:01 [ChrisR]
JK: used several namespaces in spec
15:12:40 [ChrisR]
saz: will look what other groups are using but would like to use temp for now
15:13:50 [chaals]
[I think it is a *terrible* idea to change namespaces. It is just an opaque string, and changing it just requires everyone to handle a bunch of extra stuff for no identifiable purpose]
15:13:51 [ChrisR]
action: saz will look into namespace for HTTP request/response stuff and talk to JK
15:14:22 [shadi]
zakim, close agendum 2
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agendum 2, HTTP Request/Response, closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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1. EARL 1.0 Schema - open issues [from shadi]
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "EARL 1.0 Schema - open issues" taken up [from shadi]
15:14:34 [chaals]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate chaals
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rrsagent, make log member
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saz: dc:location topic from CI - remove location (since using request/response)?
15:16:56 [ChrisR]
discussion of dc:location
15:16:57 [chaals]
[Location in the current spec isn't used in the same way as request/response, but I don't thik it is remotely necessary as currently used anyway so support removing it]
15:17:28 [ChrisR]
saz: define our own earl:location?
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discussion of perhaps using something like earl:uri
15:19:38 [JohannesK]
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resolution: use earl:uri instead of dc:location
15:25:07 [ChrisR]
ci: concerns over testcase element in earl draft (message sent to list)
15:25:54 [ChrisR]
ci: testrequirement element is OK but is more like testcase then testrequirement
15:26:10 [ChrisR]
saz: seems more like an editorial problem
15:26:35 [ChrisR]
ci: important that we have common view of what elements mean
15:27:22 [ChrisR]
ci: does group agree with suggestions from message posted to list?
15:29:04 [ChrisR]
jj: agrees with ci's post to list, wording is clearer
15:29:19 [CarlosI]
IMO a requirement is a documented need of what a particular product should be or do (what you expect from the product) and test are process used to ensure products are designed and produced to meet those requirements (the way you test whether you have what you expected or not).
15:30:43 [ChrisR]
discussion of ci's proposal
15:31:06 [chaals]
[I think the words are much more flexible and harder to pin down in english usage than Carlos' idea of them, but I like the wording proposals anyway...)
15:33:37 [JohannesK]
1. test (actual test that is performed)
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discussion of what the actual tests are - something specific like HTML test suite or something more general like a WCAG guideline SC
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saz: review of evidence class
15:54:12 [ChrisR]
saz: good discussion and we should take to list more more consideration
15:55:07 [ChrisR]
saz: is this a showstopper (hold off publication of EARL spec)?
15:56:14 [ChrisR]
ci: draft is still OK but needs to be resolved before final status
15:57:25 [ChrisR]
saz: after discussion on list we will bring up on next weeks call
15:58:25 [shadi]
zakim, close agendum 1
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agendum 1, EARL 1.0 Schema - open issues, closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. Reminder: open action items [from shadi]
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zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "Reminder: open action items" taken up [from shadi]
15:58:34 [ChrisR]
action: saz will send to mailing list
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* Chaals make proposal for schema to describe how to add a Collection as evidence
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* jim write up proposal for "earl:snippet" locator type
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- <>
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zakim, close agendum 3
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agendum 3, Reminder: open action items, closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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4. Reminder: face-to-face meeting [from shadi]
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "Reminder: face-to-face meeting" taken up [from shadi]
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16:01:01 [shadi]
saz: sign up and book hotels soon!
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zakim, close agendum 4
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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Shadi, Sandor_Herramhof, Chris, Carlos, Johannes, David, Jim_Ley, CarlosI
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agendum 4, Reminder: face-to-face meeting, closed
16:01:09 [shadi]
zakim, bye
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I see nothing remaining on the agenda
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate shadi
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 2 open action items saved in :
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ACTION: saz will look into namespace for HTTP request/response stuff and talk to JK [1]
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recorded in
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ACTION: saz will send to mailing list [2]
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