IRC log of vmtf on 2006-01-17

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Meeting: Vocab Management TF

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/me waves

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:)

14:03:37 [RalphS]

zakim, this is vmtf

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ok, RalphS; that matches SW_BPD(VMTF)9:00AM

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it's true!

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zakim, who's on the call?

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On the phone I see Tom_Baker, Libby_Miller, Ralph

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0063

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+??P3

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+Alistair_Miles (was ??P3)

14:04:29 [aliman]

zakim, alistair is really me

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+aliman; got it

14:05:59 [RalphS]

Previous: 2006-01-10 http://www.w3.org/2006/01/10-vmtf-minutes

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Topic: Title of document

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RESOLVED: "Best Practice Recipes for Serving RDFS and OWL Vocabularies?"

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Topic: Responses to reviews

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DBooth/G1 -- Ralph responded; we don't know if David is satisfied

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DBooth/G2 --

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Tom: I wouldn't want the purl.org material to disappear entirely

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... but it could be in a separate section

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... perhaps in the context of persistence of URIs

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... I'd like to have guidance that DCMI could implement

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... without assuming we can get changes in the purl.org implementation

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... this guidance does not necessarily need to be in the body of the cookbook

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... so we can keep the scope of the body of the note to Best Practices

14:10:24 [aliman]

zakim, mute me

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aliman should now be muted

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zakim, unmute me

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aliman should no longer be muted

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ralph: problem with purls maybe more difficult ...

14:11:14 [aliman]

not sufficient to change all 302s to 303s because 302 is appropriate for most URIs ...

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so what they would have to do is implement a feature for users to specify that some resource is a non-info resource ...

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requires changes to database etc. ...

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Are there any options to do a double redirection? I.e. if purl returns a 302 redirect, then my own server does a 303 ...

14:12:47 [aliman]

i wonder, although this is inefficient from network pov, if this is a workaround ...

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q+

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so maybe better to stay silent on PURLs for the moment ...

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certainly need to help DCMI, but can that from another doc?

14:13:56 [TomB]

alistair: regarding double redirect, on hazy ground here - don't understand enough to make

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assurances here.

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Reasonable for an app to make some inferences based on response code (TBL)

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If that is the case, the only response code that matters is from the initial code

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therefore, double redirect is just as bad

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interaction btw web/sw architecture. lots of conflicting views. haven't seen

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spelled out clearly.

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have spoken with patrick stickler - how sw/web archi interact - he doesn't think it matters

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Ralph: yes, I fear that Alistair is correct, that the initial 302 or 303 is important to a client

14:16:35 [TomB]

but issue is worth investigating

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q+

14:17:08 [TomB]

pragmatically: we should work with TAG to clarify remaining qsts

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ralph: suspects al is right but worth pursuing further

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TomB: purl.org is an issue for both Dublin Core and RSS

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...how important is purl in v1?

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ralph: how important is purl in v1?

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q? just a comment...

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q\ just a comment...

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q+ just a comment...

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alistair: we need to work with tag

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q+

14:22:12 [RalphS]

Ralph: I'm willing to have a first draft that does include PURLs with a big cautionary note "This is not Best Practice"

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... bottom line is we don't yet have a solution for purl.org

14:22:28 [TomB]

suggests tag coin a uri for "information resource"

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using this, "you can draw the following inferences"

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ACTION: Alistair draft the question for discussion in VM, then send to TAG

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Alistair: if all purls taken out of cookbook - create "short-term suggestions for maintainers

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of purl.org namespaces"

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doesn't completely conform, but step in right direction

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q+

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Ralph: we need a section on importance of persistence namespaces

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Libby: there are other vocabularies that use purl.org too

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Tom: important to address persistence in the main body

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... moving purl.org to an appendix makes for a very long appendix

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q+

14:27:04 [RalphS]

... moving the purl material to a separate document has the advantage of making the main cookbook slimmer

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bye!

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-Libby_Miller

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bye libby

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-Ralph

14:34:24 [TomB]

ACTION: Alistair to put the purl.org material into an Appendix

14:41:00 [aliman]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0016.html note on MultiViews versus conditional redirects

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rdf as the default response http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0022.html

14:45:07 [TomB]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/01/17-vmtf-minutes.html TomB

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This conference is scheduled to end in 10 minutes; all ports must be freed

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rrsagent, please make this record public

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This conference is scheduled to end in 5 minutes; all ports must be freed

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-aliman

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-Tom_Baker

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SW_BPD(VMTF)9:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Tom_Baker, Libby_Miller, Ralph, Alistair_Miles, aliman

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bye

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too late danbri!

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youre an hour off :/

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darn round planet :(

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:(

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