17:54:16 RRSAgent has joined #swbp 17:54:16 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/01/09-swbp-irc 17:54:22 Zakim has joined #swbp 17:54:28 Meeting: SemWeb BPD WG 17:54:30 chalaschek has joined #swbp 17:55:03 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0019.html 17:55:14 RalphS has changed the topic to: 9 Jan SWBPD WG agenda is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0019.html 17:57:53 dwood has joined #swbp 18:00:33 zakim, this is swbp 18:00:34 ok, RalphS; that matches SW_BPD()1:00PM 18:00:40 zakim, who's on the phone? 18:00:40 On the phone I see Phil_Tetlow, Ralph 18:00:42 +Evan_Wallace 18:00:56 +DBooth 18:00:58 +[UMD] 18:01:00 jeremy has joined #swbp 18:01:01 +David_Wood 18:01:05 jeremy has joined #swbp 18:01:10 zakim, [umd] is ChrisH 18:01:10 +ChrisH; got it 18:01:21 Chair: DavidW 18:01:31 dbooth has joined #swbp 18:01:39 zakim, who is here? 18:01:39 On the phone I see Phil_Tetlow, Ralph, Evan_Wallace, DBooth, ChrisH, David_Wood 18:01:42 On IRC I see dbooth, jeremy, dwood, chalaschek, Zakim, RRSAgent, RalphS 18:02:03 JeffP has joined #swbp 18:02:28 jacco has joined #swbp 18:02:46 Regrets: Benjamin, GaryNG, Brian, Tom 18:02:59 +??P6 18:03:01 benadida has joined #swbp 18:03:11 PhilT has joined #swbp 18:03:15 zakim, ??p6 is JeffP 18:03:15 +JeffP; got it 18:03:33 +Ben_Adida 18:03:49 raphael has joined #swbp 18:03:56 hi everybody 18:04:14 (sorry problems with phone - five mins or so) 18:04:16 zakim, mute me 18:04:16 Ben_Adida should now be muted 18:04:28 ekw has joined #swbp 18:04:45 +??P8 18:04:58 zakim, ??p8 is Raphael 18:04:58 +Raphael; got it 18:04:59 Meeting: Semantic Web Best Practices 18:05:01 +Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen 18:05:03 zakim,mute me 18:05:03 Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted 18:05:04 Chair: DWood 18:05:33 zakim, nominate a scribe 18:05:33 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose JeffP 18:05:44 zakim, who's on the phone? 18:05:44 On the phone I see Phil_Tetlow, Ralph, Evan_Wallace, DBooth, ChrisH, David_Wood, JeffP, Ben_Adida (muted), Raphael, Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen (muted) 18:05:51 zakim, mute me 18:05:51 DBooth should now be muted 18:06:11 zakim, unmute me 18:06:11 DBooth should no longer be muted 18:06:54 Scribe: Jeff 18:06:55 Scribe: JeffP 18:07:03 zakim, mute me 18:07:03 DBooth should now be muted 18:07:12 PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 12 December 2005 telecon: 18:07:12 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0014.html 18:07:29 Topic: 1. ADMIN (15 min) 18:07:48 +??P10 18:08:15 zakim, ??p10 is Deb 18:08:15 +Deb; got it 18:08:17 ralph: the action items might not be proper 18:08:33 jacco has joined #swbp 18:08:42 ralph: suggest accept them and revise them later 18:09:11 dwood: second ralph 18:09:17 Elisa has joined #swbp 18:09:21 dwood: no objection 18:10:04 +[Sophia] 18:10:12 zakim, [sophia] is Fabien 18:10:12 +Fabien; got it 18:10:25 +Elisa_Kendall 18:10:25 FabGandon has joined #swbp 18:10:38 zakim, please mute me 18:10:48 Elisa_Kendall should now be muted 18:10:58 zakim, please mute raphael 18:10:59 Raphael should now be muted 18:11:05 Topic: 2.1 Proposed resolution httpRange-14 18:11:10 zakim, unmute me 18:11:10 DBooth should no longer be muted 18:11:11 zakim, please mute me 18:11:11 sorry, FabGandon, I do not see a party named 'FabGandon' 18:11:29 zakim, nick fabgandon is fabien 18:11:29 ok, RalphS, I now associate FabGandon with Fabien 18:11:43 dwood has joined #swbp 18:11:47 dwood: jacco, any comments? 18:11:51 zakim, please mute me 18:11:51 Fabien should now be muted 18:12:19 ... about httpRange-14 18:12:35 Jacco: no further commentss besides what have been said 18:12:42 Jacco_ has joined #swbp 18:13:01 q+ to note connection with VM deliverable 18:13:33 +[IPcaller] 18:13:33 q+ 18:13:40 Zakim, IPCaller is me 18:13:40 +jeremy; got it 18:13:42 GiorgosStamou has joined #swbp 18:13:46 Zakim, mute me 18:13:46 jeremy should now be muted 18:13:47 q? 18:13:48 zakim, mute me 18:13:48 Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted 18:13:53 ack RalphS 18:13:53 RalphS, you wanted to note connection with VM deliverable 18:14:03 ralph: worry about having a new doc now 18:14:19 + +30210772aaaa 18:14:21 happy new year! 18:14:52 Zakim, +30210772aaaa is me 18:14:52 +GiorgosStamou; got it 18:15:05 ralph: but we should record what people say 18:15:09 ack dbooth 18:15:11 ack DBooth 18:15:18 Zakim, mute me 18:15:18 GiorgosStamou should now be muted 18:15:23 david: second ralph 18:15:29 ... and would like to help 18:15:49 ... some clarification might be good 18:17:02 dwood: are you willing to propose it in the mailing list? 18:17:07 david: yep 18:17:14 s/david/dbooth/ 18:17:22 s/david/dbooth/ 18:17:32 dwood: thanks 18:17:40 ACTION: DBooth to propose TAG clarification questions around httpRange-14 18:17:54 Topic: 2.2 DAWG 18:17:55 zakim, mute me 18:17:55 Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen was already muted, Jacco_ 18:18:02 zakim, un]mute me 18:18:05 I don't understand 'un]mute me', Jacco_ 18:18:30 Topic: 2.2 DAWG 18:18:32 Jacco: basically I don't have problem with Describe 18:18:36 s/2.2 DAWG// 18:18:49 ... but don't think it should be in the core language 18:19:28 zakim, mute me 18:19:28 DBooth should now be muted 18:19:57 Topic: 2.3 OMG: ODM review 18:20:02 zakim, mute me 18:20:02 Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted 18:20:06 Zakim,unmute me 18:20:06 jeremy should no longer be muted 18:20:12 zakim, unmute me 18:20:12 Elisa_Kendall should no longer be muted 18:20:48 Elisa has joined #swbp 18:20:48 Jeremy: not been done 18:21:05 Elisa: I saw an email from Gary 18:21:29 ... and I will contact Jeremy and make sure he gets the correct chapter 18:21:29 aliman has joined #swbp 18:21:33 zakim, mute me 18:21:33 Elisa_Kendall should now be muted 18:21:35 Zakim, mute me 18:21:35 jeremy should now be muted 18:21:45 q? 18:21:54 zakim, unmute me 18:21:54 Elisa_Kendall should no longer be muted 18:22:03 +??P13 18:22:05 +Alistair_Miles (was ??P13) 18:22:05 2.5 Other 18:22:07 ACTION: garyng and jeremy to review OWL chapter of ODM review by 9 jan 2006 [http://www.w3.org/2005/12/12-swbp-minutes.html#action06] [PENDING] 18:22:09 zakim, unmute me 18:22:09 DBooth should no longer be muted 18:22:20 zakim, alistair is really me 18:22:20 +aliman; got it 18:22:44 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2005Dec/0001 Review of WSDL 2.0 - RDF Mapping [DBooth 2005-12-22] 18:23:29 dbooth: the mapping doc is mostly not done 18:24:15 ... so more reviews are needed once the mapping doc is done 18:24:50 Elisa: even the ontology is also partially done 18:25:01 ... agree with dbooth 18:26:15 Good point...I agree 18:26:58 dwood: anyone knows the schedule? 18:27:04 dbooth: don't know 18:27:34 kudos to DBooth for his review 18:27:35 dwood: will check with bijan 18:27:39 zakim, mute me 18:27:39 Elisa_Kendall should now be muted 18:27:57 zakim, mute me 18:27:57 DBooth should now be muted 18:28:13 3. TASK FORCE UPDATES 18:28:33 s/3/Topic: 3/ 18:28:58 Topic: 3.1 PORT - Porting Thesaurii to RDF and OWL (Alistair) 18:29:59 zakim, unmute me 18:29:59 Elisa_Kendall should no longer be muted 18:30:27 Aliman: previously port TF was not planning to do the 3rd round of publications 18:30:40 ... but if we can expect an extension of the the WG 18:30:46 ... we can try 18:31:06 zakim, unmute me 18:31:06 DBooth should no longer be muted 18:31:34 dwood has joined #SWBP 18:31:46 3.2 OEP - Ontology Engineering and Patterns (Deb/Chris) 18:31:57 s/3.2/Topic: 3.2/ 18:31:59 Topic: 3.2 OEP - Ontology Engineering and Patterns 18:32:34 Elisa will take over from Chris as OEP TF co-chair 18:32:39 Deb: actions items, JeffP sent a review 18:33:00 Zakim,unmute me 18:33:00 jeremy should no longer be muted 18:33:17 zakim, mute me 18:33:17 DBooth should now be muted 18:33:21 Zakim, mute me 18:33:21 jeremy should now be muted 18:33:39 ... the next step is to ... 18:33:50 ... I agree with ... 18:33:53 zakim, mute me 18:33:53 Elisa_Kendall should now be muted 18:34:12 ... the review of .. is continuing 18:34:30 the action item by JeffP is complete 18:35:25 sorry my review of qcr is still to do,please contiinue action 18:35:48 ralph: I propose to drop Dan's action 18:36:01 Deb: I am fine with it 18:36:43 dwood: what's the plan for the next month for OEP? 18:37:03 Deb: should check with Chris 18:37:21 ... give me an atction 18:37:36 ACTION: Deb to report the plan of OEP 18:37:56 nothing more from me, thnks 18:38:16 it appears to me that DanBri's action to investigate spatial relations work in SWIG came from the Galway f2f http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Nov/0144.html 18:38:38 Zakim,unmute me 18:38:38 jeremy should no longer be muted 18:38:43 Topic 3.4 XSCH - XML Schema Datatypes (Jeremy) 18:38:43 Topic: 3.4 XSCH - XML Schema Datatypes (Jeremy) 18:38:55 s/Topic: 3.4 XSCH - XML Schema Datatypes (Jeremy)// 18:39:08 s/Topic/Topic:/ 18:39:09 Jeremy: needs to talk to JeffP about the different opinions 18:39:52 JeffP: We more or less agree on what is needed. 18:40:01 12-December meeting record records "[DONE] ACTION: jeremy to contact jeff re resolving the XSD issues" 18:40:27 apparently Jeremy feels this action is still PENDING 18:40:59 [PENDING] ACTION: jeremy to contact jeff re resolving the XSD issues 18:41:02 dlm has joined #swbp 18:41:28 JeffP: I will email Jeremy to arrange phone conversation about this. 18:41:34 Zakim, mute me 18:41:34 jeremy should now be muted 18:41:53 Topic: 3.5 VM - Vocabulary Management (TomB) 18:42:18 ack Ralph 18:43:27 Ralph: having some way to include the rational from the cookbook would be good 18:44:32 zakim, mute me 18:44:32 DBooth was already muted, dbooth 18:44:47 aliman: agree with ralph 18:45:01 ... still half way reading the doc 18:45:21 Ralph: can we publish the draft next telecon? 18:45:44 ... we had two reviewers 18:46:10 zakim, unmute me 18:46:10 DBooth should no longer be muted 18:46:34 dbooth: ralph changes the doc after my review 18:46:35 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0004.html review from andreas, forwarded by tomB 18:46:47 Ralph: you should wait till later version 18:47:22 zakim, mute me 18:47:22 DBooth should now be muted 18:47:45 zakim, unmute me 18:47:45 Ben_Adida should no longer be muted 18:47:50 Topic: 3.6 HTML - Embedding RDF in HTML (Ben) 18:48:03 ben: I am here finally :-) 18:48:16 ... we have produced a new draft 18:48:38 zakim, unmute me 18:48:38 DBooth should no longer be muted 18:49:07 ... the doc is available today 18:49:24 Ralph: GaryNG and Dbooth to review it 18:49:48 zakim, mute me 18:49:48 DBooth should now be muted 18:49:59 Ben: the goal of the doc is the one doc published through this task force in the WG 18:50:38 ... the other doc will move to the html WG(?) 18:51:13 dwood: any comments? 18:51:40 Ben: people send them to the mailing list too 18:51:41 Zakim,unmute me 18:51:41 jeremy should no longer be muted 18:51:53 Zakim, mute me 18:51:53 jeremy should now be muted 18:52:02 dwood: action items? 18:52:31 Zakim,unmute me 18:52:31 jeremy should no longer be muted 18:52:37 Zakim, mute me 18:52:37 jeremy should now be muted 18:52:50 Jeremy: my action is not done 18:53:13 q? 18:53:34 zakim, mute me 18:53:34 Ben_Adida should now be muted 18:53:57 Topic: 3.8 RDFTM - RDF/Topic Maps Interoperability (Steve) 18:54:46 Ralph: during the mail conversation, there will be no change of doc status 18:55:35 ... the WG approves the draft is now a WG note 18:56:18 .. it has been discussed in previous meeting 18:56:24 zakim, unmute me 18:56:24 DBooth should no longer be muted 18:56:31 dwood: I remember the WG agree to it 18:56:50 Ralph: I was present in the meeting 18:57:03 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0122.html incomplete meeting records regarding rdftm-survey document transition 18:57:13 ... we can reapprove it 18:57:32 zakim, mute me 18:57:32 DBooth should now be muted 18:57:45 dwood: resolved, no objection 18:57:49 PROPOSE: WG transition http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-rdftm-survey-20050329/ to WG Note status 18:58:58 Ralph: there will be no changes in the contents 18:59:20 dwood: resolved the above proposal 18:59:36 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0087.html my query to Valentina 18:59:38 Ralph's action item is done 18:59:47 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0102.html Valentina's reply 19:01:07 dwood: I will propose a precedure to close the WG (to Guus and Ralph) 19:01:18 Ralph: that will be fine 19:01:34 q+ to note we already have such a process 19:01:46 Topic: 3.9 Tutorial Page 19:01:56 Zakim,unmute me 19:01:57 jeremy should no longer be muted 19:02:03 Zakim, mute me 19:02:03 jeremy should now be muted 19:02:08 dwood: can we discuss that at the end, Jeremy? 19:02:15 Jeremy: no problem 19:02:34 Topic: 3.10 SE - Software Engineering 19:02:56 Phil: we have gone through a final review of the OO Primer draft 19:03:11 ... and we ask for WG publishment 19:03:22 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/SE/ODSD/ 19:03:36 ... we had some feedback from Grady 19:03:53 I also provided feedback on this one ... and my comments were addressed 19:04:04 ... which are more about the context 19:04:08 zakim, unmute me 19:04:08 Elisa_Kendall should no longer be muted 19:04:21 OOP Primer can be found at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/SE/ODSD/ 19:04:31 Elisa: I review on behalf of the WG 19:04:47 Zakim,unmute me 19:04:47 jeremy should no longer be muted 19:05:20 zakim, mute me 19:05:20 Elisa_Kendall should now be muted 19:05:45 dwood: we want to make sure all the comments are satisfied 19:05:54 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Nov/0086.html [SE] comments on primer [Jeremy 2005-11-15] 19:06:42 Zakim, mute me 19:06:42 jeremy should now be muted 19:07:15 Ralph: propose to accept it on condition that Jeremy checks his comments 19:07:23 dwood: resolved 19:07:29 PROPOSE to publish http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/SE/ODSD/20051217/ as a WG Note contingent upon Jeremy's satisfaction with response to his review 19:07:35 resolved 19:08:12 action of Guus is droped 19:08:29 Zakim, unmute me 19:08:29 GiorgosStamou should no longer be muted 19:08:41 Topic 3.11 MM - Multimedia Annotation 19:08:42 zakim, unmute me 19:08:44 Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should no longer be muted 19:08:54 -Deb 19:09:04 Topic: 3.11 MM - Multimedia Annotation 19:09:05 Jacco: we cannot hear you Giorgos 19:09:30 ... we asked Guus to do the second review 19:09:41 Sorry for this 19:09:42 ... it is half review, mostly editorial 19:09:56 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0023.html [MM] Review (partial): Image annotation on the Semantic Web [Guus 2006-01-09] 19:09:57 ... should wait for the second half 19:10:17 ... and then do the change and propose to change its status 19:10:24 Giorgos: no problem 19:10:34 s/:/,/ 19:10:49 -Fabien 19:11:20 Jacco: the question is if we can have a conditional approval 19:11:33 dwood: who is the first reviewer? 19:11:41 Jacco: Mike 19:11:56 zakim, mute me 19:11:56 Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted 19:11:56 dwood: I prefer we have two full reviews 19:12:01 zakim, unmute me 19:12:01 Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should no longer be muted 19:12:09 ... do we have any more reviews? 19:12:12 Jacco: no 19:12:42 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0126.html 19:12:50 ... I sent a called for requirements 19:13:00 (the above link) 19:13:42 (ACTION Ralph to cite relevant CG meeting records regarding SemWeb Education & Outreach discussions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/05-swbp-minutes.html#action04] 19:13:48 -- this came from the f2f 19:13:49 Zakim, mute me 19:13:49 GiorgosStamou should now be muted 19:14:53 Jacco: to describe multimedia ontologies 19:15:26 dwood: if the TF wants the WG have a position, then have a TF position first 19:15:39 .. then send it to the WG 19:16:01 Jacco: or shall we give a personal opinions 19:16:08 dwood: up to the TF 19:16:22 Ok thanks, it is clear 19:16:48 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0126.html 19:17:04 Jan. 24 19:17:08 Ralph: deadline is Jan 24 19:17:22 ... it is not practical to have WG position 19:17:24 we can ask for an extension 19:18:18 -Phil_Tetlow 19:18:39 Ralph: if we can have an extension and the TF believes it is critical to have a WG position 19:19:09 ... I am inclined to send personal comments 19:19:19 OK 19:19:25 ok with me 19:19:28 Jacco: agreed since it is not crucial 19:19:33 Jeff: fine 19:19:58 Action by Guus is done 19:20:49 Action by Gus is partially done 19:21:02 thanks, Giorgos 19:21:18 thanks Jacco 19:21:20 zakim, mute me 19:21:21 Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted 19:21:22 dwood: AOB 19:21:31 Zakim,unmute me 19:21:31 jeremy should no longer be muted 19:21:36 ... procedure comments from Jeremy 19:22:13 Zakim, mute me 19:22:13 jeremy should now be muted 19:22:21 I'll scribe that 19:22:31 OK, thanks 19:22:38 Jeremy: the world view task force TF was closed by the simple process of 19:22:52 a proposal from a WG member, and voted on by WG. 19:23:03 Obviously with adequate notice 19:23:21 Ralph: there is a TP in France 19:23:28 Topic: Upcoming Meetings 19:23:29 last week of Feb and first week of march 19:23:33