IRC log of wai-wcag on 2006-01-05

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RRSAgent, make log world
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Meeting: WCAG Weekly Teleconference
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JanMar/0023.html
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agenda+ Programmatically determined, supported by AT, etc. (max. 30 minutes)
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agenda+ Draft techniques for 1.1
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agenda+ Draft techniques for 1.3
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agenda+ Misc. Questions for 22 December Telecon
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agenda+ Issues for Guideline 4.1
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agenda+ General Issues
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Regrets: Roberto_Ellero, Gez_Lemon, Roberto_Scano, Sebastiano_Nutarelli, Takayuki_Watanabe
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chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden and John_Slatin
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hi guys
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RRSAgent, off
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WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
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+??P0
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zakim, ??P0 is Ben_Caldwell
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+Ben_Caldwell; got it
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+??P2
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zakim,??P2 is Bengt_Farre
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+Bengt_Farre; got it
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+Sofia_Celic
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+Michael_Cooper
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+Gregg_Vanderheiden
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+David_MacDonald
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+John_Slatin
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+Tim_Boland
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+ +1.724.9.aaaa
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki
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+Makoto_Ueki; got it
21:02:30 [Yvette]
zakim, +1.724.9.aaaa is Yvette_Hoitink
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+Yvette_Hoitink; got it
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zakim, I am Yvette_Hoitink
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ok, Yvette, I now associate you with Yvette_Hoitink
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+Christophe_Strobbe
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+Alex_Li
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+??P13
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zakim, mute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
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zakim, ??P13 is Katie_Haritos_Shea
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+Katie_Haritos_Shea; got it
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see Ben_Caldwell, Bengt_Farre, Sofia_Celic, Michael_Cooper, Gregg_Vanderheiden, David_MacDonald, John_Slatin, Tim_Boland, Yvette_Hoitink (muted), Makoto_Ueki,
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... Christophe_Strobbe, Alex_Li, Katie_Haritos_Shea
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+Judy
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Programmatically determined, supported by AT, etc. (max. 30 minutes)" taken up [from ben]
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scribe: David
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-Gregg_Vanderheiden
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+Gregg_Vanderheiden
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+Andi_Snow_Weaver
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+Becky_Gibson
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+Kerstin_Goldsmith
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ack Tim
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-Kerstin_Goldsmith
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q+
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+Kerstin_Goldsmith
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-Kerstin_Goldsmith
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ack Alex
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ack Judy
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ack John
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+Kerstin_Goldsmith
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Zakim, mute me
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Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
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ack John
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q+ to say "30 minutes is up"
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q-
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ack Alex
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ack Katie
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q+
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q-
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 1 closed
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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Draft techniques for 1.1 [from ben]
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "Draft techniques for 1.1" taken up [from ben]
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Topic: Draft Techniques for 1.1
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21:43:15 [bengt]
zakim, who is making noise ?
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bengt, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ben_Caldwell (39%), Gregg_Vanderheiden (71%)
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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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resoution: adopt 1.1 Proposed General Technique for How to meet 1.1.1 Providing a long description in text near the non-text content ...." with edits propsed by John Slatin
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zakim, unmute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
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s/resoution/resolution
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q+
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ack John
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ack Yvette
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ack Katie
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q+
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-Kerstin_Goldsmith
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ack gregg
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ack John
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resolution: 1.1.1 long description explanation sent back to the committee with comments. "Providing a long description in another location..."
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q+
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q+
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ack Yvette
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+Kerstin_Goldsmith
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ack Becky
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resolution: the editors will not include in the wikki headers or sections that will not change. The only exception will be if there are major rewrites to a section, in which case, the editors will copy the whole section back to the wikki.
22:22:28 [David]
zakim, mute Tim_Boland
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Tim_Boland should now be muted
22:25:20 [Christophe]
zakim, unmute me
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Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
22:26:03 [David]
resolution: unanimously accept 1.1 "failure due to using text alternatives that are not alternatives...."
22:26:41 [ben]
zakim, who's making noise?
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ben, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Loretta_Guarino_Reid (45%), Kerstin_Goldsmith (4%), Gregg_Vanderheiden (58%), Makoto_Ueki (5%), John_Slatin (22%),
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... Katie_Haritos_Shea (4%)
22:26:58 [Yvette]
zakim, mute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
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zakim, unmute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
22:28:53 [Makoto]
zakim, mute me
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Makoto_Ueki should now be muted
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Tim has left #wai-wcag
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-Michael_Cooper
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-Tim_Boland
22:34:26 [Yvette]
zakim, mute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
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ack John
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note: 1.1.1 tests change the words "remove and replace" to "remove, replace, hide, mask or turn off"
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 2 closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. Draft techniques for 1.3 [from ben]
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zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "Draft techniques for 1.3" taken up [from ben]
22:44:47 [Yvette]
zakim, unmute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
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topic: Draft techniques for 1.3
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resolution: unanimous consent to Remove "functionality" from the guideline text
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rationale: There are no SC that deal w/ functionality under 1.3 and functionaltity are addresses in other SC throughout the GL DOC
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s/addresses/addressed
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q+
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q-
22:58:58 [Yvette]
zakim, unmute me
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Yvette_Hoitink was not muted, Yvette
22:59:33 [Makoto]
zakim, unmute me
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Makoto_Ueki should no longer be muted
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ack John
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zakim, mute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
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note: sending "Definition of "variations in presentation of text" back
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 3 closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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4. Misc. Questions for 22 December Telecon [from ben]
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zakim, close item 4
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agendum 4, Misc. Questions for 22 December Telecon, closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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5. Issues for Guideline 4.1 [from ben]
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zakim, close item 5
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agendum 5, Issues for Guideline 4.1, closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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6. General Issues [from ben]
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zakim, close item 6
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agendum 6, General Issues, closed
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I see nothing remaining on the agenda
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-Alex_Li
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-Sofia_Celic
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-Becky_Gibson
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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-Kerstin_Goldsmith
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-David_MacDonald
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-Katie_Haritos_Shea
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-Yvette_Hoitink
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-Christophe_Strobbe
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-Andi_Snow_Weaver
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-Bengt_Farre
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-Makoto_Ueki
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-Ben_Caldwell
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see John_Slatin, Judy, Gregg_Vanderheiden
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-John_Slatin
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-Gregg_Vanderheiden
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Christophe has left #wai-wcag
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see Judy
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-Judy
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WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Ben_Caldwell, Bengt_Farre, Sofia_Celic, Michael_Cooper, Gregg_Vanderheiden, David_MacDonald, John_Slatin, Tim_Boland, Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink,
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... Christophe_Strobbe, Alex_Li, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Judy, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Becky_Gibson, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
23:08:03 [ben]
zakim, bye
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23:13:48 [ben]
Present: Alex_Li, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Becky_Gibson, Ben_Caldwell, Bengt_Farre, Christophe_Strobbe, David_MacDonald, Gregg_Vanderheiden, John_Slatin, Judy_Brewer, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Kerstin_Goldsmith, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Makoto_Ueki, Michael_Cooper, Sofia_Celic, Tim_Boland, Yvette_Hoitink
23:22:47 [ben]
RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items